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I certainly have sympathy and empathy for those who currently rely on commercial fishing. It is a tough job. And I certainly don't want to see commercial fishing pressure concentrated into other areas, which I fear will happen as a result of these changes. HOWEVER, I can't understand how they believe that distributing food with what are considered harmful levels of contaminates is acceptable. If people who fish these areas choose to eat the fish they catch, it is with proper warning and they accept the risk. The commercially harvested fish carry no warnings so the general public is put at risk without ever having any knowlede of the contaminates. This is, in my opinion, why we have a government - for the greater good; and the proposed law is for the protection of all of us.
I do not personally approve of the commercial fishing on the Tennessee river, but it is for purely selfish reasons - more fish to catch in the short run and no nets or trotlines to get hung up on. I have no facts as to the true harmful impact of local commercial fishing, if there even is any. I do however, take issue with the number of paddlefish, drum, and even stripers (amoung other fish) that are killed and wasted (illegal to keep or just no commercial value). Again, it may not have any real impact, but it bothers me to see it happening.
I mean no offense to anyone on this subject, I just wanted to express an opinion, and I thank Richard for posting this and bringing it to our attention.
 
I am torn as well. My first thoughts were, "good, they kill tons of fish!". I then thought, "well that means they would all come to the Chick", THAT would really suck. I too am worried for all the family's that survive on commercial fishing but, that cant over-rule common sense, and the rights of all Americans for their personal gains. I do not envy anyone that will have to make these decisions, or anyone that will be affected by them. </p>
 
I have two comments.

1. I have no sympathy for anyone who would lobby to continue to have the right to catch and sell contaminated fish to an unsuspecting public.
2. Another important piece of the proposed new regulations would ban the sale of live catfish outside the state, thus prohibiting the harvesting of large fish for potential sale to out-of-state pay lakes.

Common sense to me says that these proposed regulations are in the best interest of the majority of the people of the state, and in the best interest of maintaining a sustainable resource. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Just my 2 cents.

Tennfisher
 
Sorry but I'm not torn at all on this issue. I grew up around a lot of people that were commercial fishermen and from the experiences that I had I have drawn conclusions that may or may not be fair in some people's eyes.

People used to make a living digging for ginseng. Does that mean that we should open national parks to them so they can make a living? People used to trap for animal fur. Does that mean that regulated hunting should be curtailed so they have the ability to trap more game? People used to pan for gold, does that mean we should let them set up a sifter on the creek and go at it? When I was growing up fishermen used to sell crappie and bass on the side of the road, does that mean they should still do it? My dad used to work in a saw mill but most of them have closed due to commercial timber plants. My point is times change. With change comes new jobs, and new ways of making a living. If things in commercial fishing are so horrible that you want to sell contaminated fish to make money or trophy fish to some millionare in Ohio, then you need to change jobs. Commercial fishing on the Tennessee isn't going to last forever without more restriction. That is a fact of life. Most commercial fishermen have about the same amount of money tied up in equipment as a really avid bass fisherman. Changing to a better paying job is not the issue with many of them. They are comfortable with the thing they do and see no reason to make any laws that inhibit it. Sure, the work is sometimes hard but ask yourself this; would you rather be on the lake pulling trot lines or gill nets or stuck on a loading dock in a unifrom all day? They have passed this lifestyle down from generation to generation and frankly for many it is a way to AVOID working a job. Give me a job fishing and pay me for it! I knew 3 commercial fishermen very, very well as I was growing up. Looking back now I realize that they broke the law almost every day, taking bass, crappie and other game fish. They also took WAY over the limit in catfish, to the point where they often had to dump them in the woods behind their houses when they didn't sell. I have no idea if that is still going on to that extent, I hope it isn't. Before anyone tells me how regulated they are now, I suggest you go to a ramp when some of them are unloading and simply watch. Not all violate the law of course and I am sure there a LOT of good people doing commercial fishing and abiding by the laws. But TWRA is stretched wayyyyyyyy to thin to catch crazy jet skiers, let alone some savy commercial guys, a lot of which know exactly where TWRA IS at any given time. Try sitting on one of those ramps and watching and see the reaction you get. I did it about two weeks ago. It's very interesting.

On another point a lot of commercial fishermen will tell you it's about "food". That they are simply supplying a product that they didn't plant, didn't raise, didn't care for, didn't feed and have no money invested in but yet want to harvest to make money out of. Then they will lobby to remove size limits on fish so they can be shipped off to "pay" lakes. What has that got to do with food other than the food it puts on their table? Then they become angry that TWRA tries to protect the fishery. As I said at the beginning, my conclusions may not (and probably aren't) fair, but I can only speak from what I have seen and witnessed over the years. It has really soured my outlook on these folks, good as many of them may be. Abide by what is best for all the people, not just you and your wallet, or get another job.
 
Im bringing a soapbox for fishingfool to the meeting. Cause he is preaching it exactly like it needs to be preached!
 
Fishin Fool - 8/13/2007 10:05 PM

Sorry but I'm not torn at all on this issue. I grew up around a lot of people that were commercial fishermen and from the experiences that I had I have drawn conclusions that may or may not be fair in some people's eyes.

People used to make a living digging for ginseng. Does that mean that we should open national parks to them so they can make a living? People used to trap for animal fur. Does that mean that regulated hunting should be curtailed so they have the ability to trap more game? People used to pan for gold, does that mean we should let them set up a sifter on the creek and go at it? When I was growing up fishermen used to sell crappie and bass on the side of the road, does that mean they should still do it? My dad used to work in a saw mill but most of them have closed due to commercial timber plants. My point is times change. With change comes new jobs, and new ways of making a living. If things in commercial fishing are so horrible that you want to sell contaminated fish to make money or trophy fish to some millionare in Ohio, then you need to change jobs. Commercial fishing on the Tennessee isn't going to last forever without more restriction. That is a fact of life. Most commercial fishermen have about the same amount of money tied up in equipment as a really avid bass fisherman. Changing to a better paying job is not the issue with many of them. They are comfortable with the thing they do and see no reason to make any laws that inhibit it. Sure, the work is sometimes hard but ask yourself this; would you rather be on the lake pulling trot lines or gill nets or stuck on a loading dock in a unifrom all day? They have passed this lifestyle down from generation to generation and frankly for many it is a way to AVOID working a job. Give me a job fishing and pay me for it! I knew 3 commercial fishermen very, very well as I was growing up. Looking back now I realize that they broke the law almost every day, taking bass, crappie and other game fish. They also took WAY over the limit in catfish, to the point where they often had to dump them in the woods behind their houses when they didn't sell. I have no idea if that is still going on to that extent, I hope it isn't. Before anyone tells me how regulated they are now, I suggest you go to a ramp when some of them are unloading and simply watch. Not all violate the law of course and I am sure there a LOT of good people doing commercial fishing and abiding by the laws. But TWRA is stretched wayyyyyyyy to thin to catch crazy jet skiers, let alone some savy commercial guys, a lot of which know exactly where TWRA IS at any given time. Try sitting on one of those ramps and watching and see the reaction you get. I did it about two weeks ago. It's very interesting.

On another point a lot of commercial fishermen will tell you it's about "food". That they are simply supplying a product that they didn't plant, didn't raise, didn't care for, didn't feed and have no money invested in but yet want to harvest to make money out of. Then they will lobby to remove size limits on fish so they can be shipped off to "pay" lakes. What has that got to do with food other than the food it puts on their table? Then they become angry that TWRA tries to protect the fishery. As I said at the beginning, my conclusions may not (and probably aren't) fair, but I can only speak from what I have seen and witnessed over the years. It has really soured my outlook on these folks, good as many of them may be. Abide by what is best for all the people, not just you and your wallet, or get another job.

All I can add to this is AMEN!
 
Fishin Fool - 8/13/2007 7:05 PM

Sorry but I'm not torn at all on this issue. I grew up around a lot of people that were commercial fishermen and from the experiences that I had I have drawn conclusions that may or may not be fair in some people's eyes.

People used to make a living digging for ginseng. Does that mean that we should open national parks to them so they can make a living? People used to trap for animal fur. Does that mean that regulated hunting should be curtailed so they have the ability to trap more game? People used to pan for gold, does that mean we should let them set up a sifter on the creek and go at it? When I was growing up fishermen used to sell crappie and bass on the side of the road, does that mean they should still do it? My dad used to work in a saw mill but most of them have closed due to commercial timber plants. My point is times change. With change comes new jobs, and new ways of making a living. If things in commercial fishing are so horrible that you want to sell contaminated fish to make money or trophy fish to some millionare in Ohio, then you need to change jobs. Commercial fishing on the Tennessee isn't going to last forever without more restriction. That is a fact of life. Most commercial fishermen have about the same amount of money tied up in equipment as a really avid bass fisherman. Changing to a better paying job is not the issue with many of them. They are comfortable with the thing they do and see no reason to make any laws that inhibit it. Sure, the work is sometimes hard but ask yourself this; would you rather be on the lake pulling trot lines or gill nets or stuck on a loading dock in a unifrom all day? They have passed this lifestyle down from generation to generation and frankly for many it is a way to AVOID working a job. Give me a job fishing and pay me for it! I knew 3 commercial fishermen very, very well as I was growing up. Looking back now I realize that they broke the law almost every day, taking bass, crappie and other game fish. They also took WAY over the limit in catfish, to the point where they often had to dump them in the woods behind their houses when they didn't sell. I have no idea if that is still going on to that extent, I hope it isn't. Before anyone tells me how regulated they are now, I suggest you go to a ramp when some of them are unloading and simply watch. Not all violate the law of course and I am sure there a LOT of good people doing commercial fishing and abiding by the laws. But TWRA is stretched wayyyyyyyy to thin to catch crazy jet skiers, let alone some savy commercial guys, a lot of which know exactly where TWRA IS at any given time. Try sitting on one of those ramps and watching and see the reaction you get. I did it about two weeks ago. It's very interesting.

On another point a lot of commercial fishermen will tell you it's about "food". That they are simply supplying a product that they didn't plant, didn't raise, didn't care for, didn't feed and have no money invested in but yet want to harvest to make money out of. Then they will lobby to remove size limits on fish so they can be shipped off to "pay" lakes. What has that got to do with food other than the food it puts on their table? Then they become angry that TWRA tries to protect the fishery. As I said at the beginning, my conclusions may not (and probably aren't) fair, but I can only speak from what I have seen and witnessed over the years. It has really soured my outlook on these folks, good as many of them may be. Abide by what is best for all the people, not just you and your wallet, or get another job.

Fishin Fool,
It isn't good for you to hold back. Let it out. Tell us how you really feel emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh

On a more serious note, well stated.

Tennfisher
 
Now, Terry. Don't you feel better? emoBigsmile emoBigsmile I'm totally in agreement with what you said. I'm just not telling those commercial guys where I live. emoUpsmile emoUpsmile
I think that MadBomber, Fat Albert and I are going up for the meeting. It is the last part of this month I belive. Should I read your post? emoPoke emoBigsmile emoGeezer

Maybe the commercial guys can take up guiding! They should know all the hot spots.
 
drumking - 8/15/2007 1:55 PM

Now, Terry. Don't you feel better? emoBigsmile emoBigsmile I'm totally in agreement with what you said. I'm just not telling those commercial guys where I live. emoUpsmile emoUpsmile
I think that MadBomber, Fat Albert and I are going up for the meeting. It is the last part of this month I belive. Should I read your post? emoPoke emoBigsmile emoGeezer


You are a cruel man DK! emoLaugh You can read it but just tell them YOU wrote it! I don't think it would take much to set those folks off....... 'course I think if I stayed longer at the ramp the other day and got a few more looks I might have ended up as catfish bait anyways!.......If I disappear just pull up a trot line!emoLaugh
 
I can't tell you a time other than early morning because I don't know when they unload for sure, but Skull Island Ramp is a popular place here lately. Maybe the commercial fishermen are already moving down to that area. I saw 3 boats down there the other morning along with a transport truck.
 
Fishin Fool - 8/15/2007 2:18 PM Skull Island Ramp is a popular place here lately.
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Man they need to stay away from that area! Why cant the thieves target thier stupid trucks instead of ours!!!!!!!</p>
 
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