Comparing the credit crisis and new healthcare bill

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basspwner

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I am sitting at work and just had this thought.

The credit crisis stemmed from the fact that banks were basically handing out mortgage loans to anyone who wanted them. They were not using discretion from a risk standpoint the way they should. What happened was, when the ARM's (adjustable rate mortgages) started to rise, the mortgage could not be payed by the borrower.
Eventually what this lead to was the banks not receiving mortgages payments like they expected. They had to foreclose on homes in an attempted to recover their loss on the loan.

Then what you have is a truck load of homes for sale with no one to buy them, driving the price of homes way down. On the balance sheet of these banks, their assets in foreclosed homes must be written down and now these banks are all in really bad shape. On top of this banks are realizing they are pretty bad off and really tightening up their standards in regards to lending.

So now we have this big mess where no one can buy a home, there are too many homes to be bought and now the banks have much tighter lending standards so even if you wanted to buy a home, you either can't or it is much more difficult.

To help alleviate this problem the government started essentially handing out money. They gave out the stimulus money, tax credits on homes, cash for clunkers, etc.

This whole series of events, which is still not resolved is basically the main reason why our economy was/is in the crapper. I tend to think it is getting better, but still in a very poor state. So you get an idea, and I don't know if this is true for sure or not, but I was told by an investment guru that Atlanta and its surrounding area has so many empty residences that if starting today, no new homes were built and the home purchasing grew at its normal annual rate in Atlanta (around 8 or 9 percent) it would take 8+ years to fill every current residence. Sorry for the run on sentance, but that is absurd.

To finally tie this together with healthcare. We have now passed a bill where everyone is going to receive healthcare. Because there is no longer a preexisting conditions clause, insurance companies cannot deny coverage. This means the government has eliminated their ability to mitigate risk in that sense.

Hopefully by now, you are seeing the connection. In the housing market, banks did not regard risk the way they should and when that risk bit them in the butt, the large load of poo hit the fan. In my mind, it seems as if insurance companies, who make a living off of valuing risk, are now all the sudden handing insurance out like candy. What happens when this risk comes to bite them in the butt? The healthcare industry is the largest job provider in America. I see this as a huge problem. I fear this load may be much larger, and hit the fan much harder then the load we saw in the credit crisis.

Does anyone else see this as a problem?
 
If a house were medical care the bank would not be able to forclose or even ask you to move because you could not pay the morgage.


Everyone in the U.S. legal citizen or not is guaranteed medical treatment . One in five people that do not have health coverage can afford it but they use EMTALA to receive free medical treatment.


THE GOVERNMENT IS AND HAS BEEN PAYING FOR ALL MEDICAL CARE THAT THE FAT CAT INSURANCE COMPANYS WILL NOT PAY. YES WE ARE BEING SCAMED NOT BY UNCLE SAM BUT BY INSURANCE COMPANYS!


also uncle sam pays more on health care than the private insurance companys do.
 
If you will notice how Obama's speeches are NOW turning toward the"Bad Insurance Co'"., becuase it makes people think all insurance co are BAD, especially the ones that have no idea, which is a LOT of people.
Insurance is a "Perk" for people that are lucky enough to have it thru their job. Not all business offer insurance to employees, but most do, small busineses do & don't, some can't afford to offer "perks".
Most if not all hospitals get government funding of some kind, which is used to pay for people that don't have insurance, which is Tax Payer money, being that the government does not have any visibale means of support.
Here is a BIG HINT FOR SOME OF YOU!!! WHEN YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE HAVE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY ASK THERE ONE THAT IS NOT BEING CHECKED IN TO "PLEASE SIGN HERE"..DON'T DO IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THEN YOU ARE NOT LIABLE, NOT BOTH OF YOU. THEY WILL BALK AT THIS, BUT TELL THEM YOU ARE THE BROTHER-IN-LAW, UNCLE OR SOMETHING..DON'T SIGN.
As far as the housing market, Barney Frank & Company,"If you are going to lend to some, you have to lend to the minorities, and under pivilaged" Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, Bang, the market busted, not the banks, the banks came later. Banks keep very few loans in "house". Most are sold and the bank collects a percent. The bank loans are backed by Freddie & Fannie. Fannie started in 1939, Freddie started 1964 (?) I think I'm right on those dates.
So don't get caught up in Obamas retoric of the "Bad Insurance Co's." you are following His lead. Be a thinker and find out what this is coming down to, and it is Government take over of all major companies, not just insurance companies.
Insurance was started by Benjamin Franklin. He insured farmers crops for a PENNY. It was an "odds" thing. I bet you win and I'll keep your money. If you loose, I loose. Ben made money, and all were winners. The more in the pool, the better the odds.
 
PS
What if George Washington, the President, along with Congress , said to Ben Franklin, "you have to insure all of the farmers." And Ben said, it's my choice, cause "I'm NOT going to insure Farmer Brown that drinks from sun up to sun down, beats his family and gambles all his money away, and borrows from his brothers. His farm wouldn't grow rocks."
It is a matter of CHOICE. Would You bet on a drunken crack-head?
If you pay taxes, you are allready paying for people that don't pay hospital bills.
All Insurance Companies are not bad, Washington D C forced regulated Governemnt is BAD.
 

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