Thanks for all the great info!!! I have been using my HB 798 I got last year a lot. Been trying to find structure on ditch lines and ledges coming out of Nickjack lake and running water creek and you would think those old creek beds would have plenty of brush on them. I've only found one good brush pile that has consistently been hold any crappie on it. I am planning a condo build and putting some of those out in some prospective spots. I'll post what happens after I put them out. So much closer for me to fish the nick and with persistence and bamboo I will prevail!!!!