Ethanol in boat gas

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I usuallly buy gas at Murphy Oil in front of Walmart. Today as I pulled up all the pumps were 'labeled Ethanol Added". Did not know for sure but thought that is not a good thing. Did not purchase any gas got back to the shop and looked up on the web "will ethanol in boat gas hurt the engine". Glad I did not get any. It has a lot of short comings. Check it out. Now just have to figure out where to buy gas and have confidence it is ethanol free.
 
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Boat Engines and Ethanol Blended Fuel
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A marine mechanic in my area, who has made a name for himself as someone who has the “magic touch” when it comes to repairing and improving performance on gasoline powered boats, informed me that he has boats with sick engines “lined up around the block.” In past years, he has had to rebuild maybe a dozen carburetors or injector systems each season. This year he has already done over fifty (50) and it’s only the middle of July. There also is an overabundance of burned or badly fouled valves showing up this year. He is convenienced that he has found the “root” cause of this entire problem; CORN! The price of gasoline at the marinas in our area is about fifty to sixty cents per gallon more than at the local gas station.
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As a result, many people with trailerable boats are buying their fuel at the gas station. 'What’s the problem, you ask?' Simple! Many of these stations are selling Ethanol blended gasoline (E-10) and therein “lies the rub.” According to the experts, E-10 fuel is raising all kinds of problems with marine engines and some fuel tanks. First of all, as I understand it, Ethanol is a solvent and as such is dissolving the resin in some fiberglass fuel tanks, especially the ones made with polyester resin. In older boats, it will also dissolve any acumination of contaminates in the fuel tank and system and send the whole gooey mess through the system into the engine itself. Most gasoline sold without Ethanol in it has a component called MBTE added to the base gasoline. Now if you mix Ethanol with MBTE, you create a gel-like substance that clogs up everything! Wait, it gets even worse! Ethanol attracts water. Unlike cars, boat fuel tanks vent into the open air. Thus, Ethanol can literally suck moisture in from the air to collect in your fuel tank. For those of us that keep our boats in storage for 5 to 6 months (or more), the shelf life of E-10 is estimated to possibly be as short as 60 to 90 days before it starts to turn into “chewing gum”, so to speak.
For all of you boaters with high performance boats, here is some more disturbing news. When Ethanol mixes with water, it separates form the base gasoline product and can lower a 93 octane fuel to an 89 octane fuel in a jiffy. That fact alone could void the manufacturer’s warranty on a high performance engine.

What to do about it? Here are few suggestions.


• I’d invest in some large filter/water separators and install them in my fuel line.
• Purchase a lot of replacement cartridges and be prepared to change them early and often

• Try to burn all of the remaining fuel with MBTE out of the tank before using the E-10 blend.

• If your boat has fiberglass fuel tanks, seriously consider replacing them with aluminum or plastic ones.

• Finally, some states are considering mandating the sale of, not E-10, but rather E-20. If this happens, I think that you can take every problem that boaters are having now with E-10 and multiply it by 2.
 
It probably won't be good for our cars and trucks either.It will also cost us consumers just as much.The oil companies will make mo' money though.
 
I've always used Seafoam additive to my fuel when I use ethanol fuel. It was dang near impossible to find a gas station that DID NOT sell non ethanol gas in MN. It gets the water out and burns off the gel you are talking about. If you have an older, gummed up engine, it may smoke a bit when you use it the first time, but I've kept a 25hp 4 stroke Honda up and running on a little fishing boat for over 5 yrs without much of a problem. Changing the spark plut was about it.
Is there a difference in the 2 stroke and four strokes relating to using E10?
 
Modern (manufactured within approx. the past 15 years) outboards are able to handle some ethanol content for the very reason you specified. There are places you can get nothing else. Every manufacturer I know of OKs fuels with up to 10% ethanol content.
Older outboards vary. Since approx. the late '80s engines have been built with ethanol in mind and should be OK with regular maintenance and the occasional visual inspection of the fuel system looking for signs of the breaking down of the hoses or gaskets.
Prior to the mid '80s outboards weren’t built to deal with ethanol and you're running the risk of causing permanent damage. For these older models the fuel lines should be completely replaced as well as the fuel pump diaphragms. A set of Carburetor rebuild kits and floats are also in order.

The best way to determine if your Evin or John has this problem is by looking at the VRO pump. If the pump has 4 wires you're OK. If you have a 3-wire unit check to make sure it has a tag hooked to the output (carburetor) side of the pump which says VR02. If you don't see that tag take the unit to you're local dealer and have them check it out.

Also bear in mind that ethanol containing gas is far more likely to develop water in fuel problems (ethanol attracts water) so you should run some type of water absorbing fuel additive at least every other tank. Try Evinrude/Johnson 2+4 fuel additive or Mercury Fuel Dry.

Good luck and have fun on the water!
 
Whoever wrote that big speech above that was quoted is a total dumbass!! First of all ethanol is no more of a solvent than gasoline. Probably less of a solvent. due to that fact it is not responsible for eating gas tanks and creating gel. The one lone problem with ethanol is phase separation. If left over time it begins to separate into water or dilute. It is chemically and physically impossible to make 100% concentration ethanol as well. 95% is as pure as it gets. The other five percent is water but they include something in the gas to account for that. If you use your boat frequently it won't matter other than a little lost performance and mileage because ethanol doesn't contain as much energy as gas. If you let the boat sit for a while you need to use stabil or seafoam or some other additive that is similar. I now put a can of seafoam in every tank.
 
I might be mistaken but I believe shell is still straight gasoline. I have been buying my boat fuel there for many moons. Now I'll probably find out they have been using mixed for years.
 

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