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Hey I just got my boat last Sept. and didn't really do any night fishing. I've been seeing boats with headlights mounted under the bow. I have a set of aux. off road lights and was thinking about mounting them on my boat but I wanted to get some info from all the experts on the forum......Do they work well..... are they worth the battery kill.... should I just use a hand held spotlight.... what are the pros and cons on this issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've got headlights and neither one of them work. It's my second set and neither of them lasted for more than a few hours. I would probably go with hand held, but the only drawback is that you have to use one hand to hold the light.
 
I have two on my bow and they both have worked for a long time. They are sealed and mounted in a special rubber case with a hard plastic mount that screws into the rub rail. You cannot buy them direct. I had Nichols Marine order for me and mount. It is against the law to run at night with a headlight and most of us flip them on and off to spot buoys or at the dock to help load on trailer. I really do not night fish but they have come in handy when I have stayed out too long. A hand held would work just as well though. Again just remember you will blind an oncoming boat if you are trying to run with a headlight in a constant on position. Also, with the new charts if you set your chart up and run you can pinpoint buoys and channel pretty good by using electronics.
 
when me and my TX partner fish nights, which we both hate, I lay on the bow with and hold a Coleman spotlight. If you try to use it, in any other place, the light will reflect off everything and diminish your vision. We've ran up the river, over 65 MPH and both felt comfortable. I oscillate the light giving my driver a very clear view, of what lies ahead. I also paint all the channel markers with just enough light to catch the reflective tape. When I fish with my with, I hold the light becuse she covers up with a towel to hide from the billions of small bugs and I only drive about 20 MPH (at most) due to being almost blinded by the reflected light. On a good moon and a slick lake, you "almost" need no light, other than to paint a bouy or to occasionally see what that thing is up there in the water.
That did not answer your Q about battery draw on permanent mounts. I use a rechargable and do it at home but I think it has a cig lighter adaptor but I never take it. If you plan on buying a hand held, go with the Coleman 530 Lumens and DO NOT buy any light measured in candle power. Yes, they can be good but the fact that they measure in C/P, instead of lumens, is reason enough to NOT buy them. The Coleman LED sees everything


Here's a biggie: at night, if your light(s) are not oscillating, the beam(s) of light will draw bugs to them, which will then draw bats and they will hit you or the boat. Constantly moving the hand held light in a left-right-left will not give the bugs time to congregate in the light beams and the bat kills will stop.

Disclaimer: laying on the bow, flying down the river, can be dangerous and mutual trust is important, Im trusted to paint with light, anything other than water and I trust him to see and avoid them.
 
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Disclaimer: laying on the bow, flying down the river, can be dangerous and mutual trust is important, Im trusted to paint with light, anything other than water and I trust him to see and avoid them.

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chillerman69 - 1/23/2012 4:16 PM Here's a biggie: at night, if your light(s) are not oscillating, the beam(s) of light will draw bugs to them, which will then draw bats and they will hit you or the boat. Constantly moving the hand held light in a left-right-left will not give the bugs time to congregate in the light beams and the bat kills will stop.
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Well ... I've never had that problem. It's hard for bugs to congregate at 20-30 mph. Perhaps I've missed something for the past 30 years ..... emoScratch
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T&H Marine makes the best mount. It mounts on the rubrail and puts the light underneath the boat so it doesn't reflect back at you. Two screws through the rubrail and a hole drilled in the rubrail for the wires to pass through. Put it on a switch on the right hand side of your dash so it is easily handled when operating the boat. Or you can also put the switch on the starboard side near the seat. Either way, it needs to be accessible without having to look for it. These mounts can be had at most marine dealers. If you can't find them, let me know and I'll get you fixed up.</p>

Stan Sloan lights are the best lights. Do NOT use anything else. Automobile lights are not going to give you the concentrated and bright light that you're going to want and need. Automotive lights will die a quick death. The Sloan lights will last for YEARS. The bad thing is that they only come in pairs, and using more than one is overkill. But at the very least you'll have one for a spare, or to possibly sell to someone else. These are available in many locations online. Do a Google search.
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A handheld spotlight is a joke. Not only are you tying up one hand that you should be driving the boat with, but the light will reflect back at you and not give you the lighting that you need. And that's also just another plug and wire to either get tangled, trip over, or get pinched in a compartment lid and start a fire (seen that one done before). We're out at night, remember? Keep things organized and as simple as possible. Handheld lights are DANGEROUS in my opinion. If you own one, give it to someone that you don't like. </p>

We have ran these mount/light combinations for many, many years and they WORK. They never give a problem or burn out. Nothing else out there will do as good a job. As a side note, if you're antsy about drilling through your rubrail, you can forgo the mount altogether and simply mount the light on your trolling motor bracket. It isn't quite as good there because you can get a little light reflected back at you at times, but it is a workable solution if you want to go that way.</p>

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NOTICE THAT THE LIGHT IS MOUNTED FAR ENOUGH TO THE REAR TO AVOID POSSIBLY HANGING UP ON THE BOW STOP OR WINCH WHEN LOADING
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TWO SCREWS THROUGH THE RUBRAIL, AND A HOLE DRILLED FOR THE WIRE TO PASS THROUGH
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ANOTHER VIEW
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LOOKS GOOD MOUNTED IN THIS MANNER. WELL ... AS GOOD AS YOU CAN EXPECT FOR A HEADLIGHT ON A BASS BOAT.
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PACKAGING FOR T&H HEADLIGHT BRACKETS
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I just run one of the Stan Sloan lights it is mounted to the pan on my trolling motor. It rides under the rub rail and doesnt cast a glare back on you.
 
<font size="2" face="georgia,palatino">Just a note:emoRolleyes Any lights other thenbasic navigation lights that may come with your boat are illegal to operate at night, with the exception of docking lights that may be used to dock your boat or load it on the trailer. Never use any additional light while running the main channels, coves, sloughs, creeks, and/or rivers. By using such devices you can/will blind on coming drivers which may result in a accident that you will be responsible for. If you can not see to drive, slow down......</font>
 
Hair jig, not knocking your lights but they pale to the beam of the Coleman handheld. The beam goes so far out, even at high speeds, bugs will migrate to the light and bats will then feed on them. This is MY theory but after having several hit me and one riding on my back to Chester Frost, I needed to make some quick adjustments. We killed 6 on the Nick until I started moving the beam and it stopped instantly.
 
Carl Guffey - 1/23/2012 8:22 PM <font size="2" face="georgia,palatino">Just a note:emoRolleyes Any lights other thenbasic navigation lights that may come with your boat are illegal to operate at night, with the exception of docking lights that may be used to dock your boat or load it on the trailer. Never use any additional light while running the main channels, coves, sloughs, creeks, and/or rivers. By using such devices you can/will blind on coming drivers which may result in a accident that you will be responsible for. If you can not see to drive, slow down......</font>
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Carl, I'm sure everyone appreciates your insight, but I've fished Watts Bar, Loudon, & Chickamauga more nights than most people, and I've NEVER been stopped by an officer for using a headlight momentarily. I've even moved across the water with the light on after having them check me, and they had nothing to say about it. As for slowing down, it's hard to see a partially submerged log even at the slowest planing speed in a pitch black night. And after 1000's of nights out there, I've also never been blinded by another headlight.</p>

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chillerman69 - 1/23/2012 8:30 PM Hair jig, not knocking your lights but they pale to the beam of the Coleman handheld. The beam goes so far out, even at high speeds, bugs will migrate to the light and bats will then feed on them. This is MY theory but after having several hit me and one riding on my back to Chester Frost, I needed to make some quick adjustments. We killed 6 on the Nick until I started moving the beam and it stopped instantly.
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I'm not saying you're wrong. But why do you need a light that is that powerful? Especially one that is handheld. I can spot a reflector on a buoy several hundred yards away, and that's plenty of light. Like I said ... never had the problem that you are speaking of.</p>

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Look guys .... I didn't post this to argue with you. I've been there for MANY, MANY years and I simply voiced my experience and am trying to help the OP out. Take it for what it's worth.
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HJ, I researched the best handheld spotlight, that could be used practically in our boat and got 2 of them. 1 to use and one for a back up, in case I dropped the heavy thing, in the lake. Your lights are for docking and are the best you can get for that situation and like you many people use them for night running. I had no idea as to the beam the Coleman would put out. I was worried I may have exaggerated a little bit but just had a little shine, outside and I'm still impressed.

Carl, you're always right on the money as far as the rules of navigation but HJ is dead on, the lake is full of different boats with all kinds of headlight set ups. Nothing compares to the light on the tugs pushing barges and those are commercial vehicles, are they immune from the light rule or in violation, like the rest of us? I know, you'll know
 
chillerman69 - 1/23/2012 8:53 PM HJ, Your lights are for docking and are the best you can get for that situation and like you many people use them for night running.
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Well, they may be CALLED docking lights, but trust me ... they will light up the water far enough for me to avoid anything that might pop up. I usually only run fast enough to keep the boat nose broke over and they're plenty strong enough for that. I actually don't want anything any stronger. I don't want to light up a point or any other place that I'm going to fish and spook any fish that might be holding there.
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The main thing, is you're comfortable with your lights and that's all that matters. While the Coleman's put out incredible amounts of light, they are very heavy and my wrist hurts very bad, if I have to go any real distance. The more I talk on this subject, the more I'm thinking about one of those Gobee Golights, with remote control. I like being able to move the light, for some reason.
 
The Stan Sloan are the lights i have so i may just mount 1 and give it a try. I will always have a hand held spot in the boat if i go out at night just as a back-up for safety reasons. Thank you all for your input.
 
chillerman69 - 1/23/2012 8:53 PM HJ, I researched the best handheld spotlight, that could be used practically in our boat and got 2 of them. 1 to use and one for a back up, in case I dropped the heavy thing, in the lake. Your lights are for docking and are the best you can get for that situation and like you many people use them for night running. I had no idea as to the beam the Coleman would put out. I was worried I may have exaggerated a little bit but just had a little shine, outside and I'm still impressed. Carl, you're always right on the money as far as the rules of navigation but HJ is dead on, the lake is full of different boats with all kinds of headlight set ups. Nothing compares to the light on the tugs pushing barges and those are commercial vehicles, are they immune from the light rule or in violation, like the rest of us? I know, you'll know
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<font size="3" face="georgia,palatino">First question. At night can you tell which way a six barge set up is going?</font></p>

<font size="3" face="Georgia">Second question. Which end does the white light go on a 20ft. boat?</font></p>

<font size="3" face="Georgia">Most barges use a spot light periodically to locate land and bouys, specifically because of their size.. The barge operatorshould never operate the lighton a continus basis. If they were to blind a driver, causing an incident, they are responsible financially.</font></p>

<font size="3" face="Georgia">On all watercraft, lights are specifically set up for identification and a watercraftsintended direction of movement at night. Seeing a red/green light usually means that a craft is coming directly at you. Seeing a red or green light with a white light means that the craft is moving in either a starboard or port direction away from or angling toward your position. If you seeonly a white light it means that the craft is sitting still (anchored) or going in the same direction, away from you. A head lamp is a white light on the wrong end of the craft. Added to that, the refraction off of the water is many times greater then light deflected by asphalt.</font></p>

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Carl, you've almost got me feeling like a crimminal, for wanting white light shooting out the front of my boat. I'll tell you something else, when in crowded waters, at night, say outside of Chester Frost on summer weekends, I can't tell what's going on, when I see the bright whites pointed in my direction. They can be a 1/2 a mile off and it still messes with me or my depth perception. Having said that, what are you supposed to do? I you use your light intermittently, your eyes, can't adjust quick enough and your running blind. Everything you've said is spot on and I've checked to verify but I'm taking my light, at night but I will shine bright with guilt
 
Carl Guffey - 1/24/2012 6:30 AM<font size="3" face="Georgia">If you seeonly a white light it means that the craft is sitting still (anchored) or going in the same direction, away from you. A head lamp is a white light on the wrong end of the craft. Added to that, the refraction off of the water is many times greater then light deflected by asphalt.</font>

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<font size="3" face="Georgia"><font size="3" face="Georgia">Well, to start with, we didn't need an explanation of the navigation lighting regulations. If you don't already know that, then you shouldn't own a boat. Secondly, I can't for the life of me imagine anyone that can't tell the difference between a anchor light and a headlight. emoLaugh Your reasoning is a little absurd. </font></font></p>

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chillerman69 - 1/24/2012 6:59 AM I you use your light intermittently, your eyes, can't adjust quick enough and your running blind.
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<font size="3" face="Georgia">And THAT, my friend, is what a handheld spotlight will do for you. ;) The glare that you get coming back off the boat carpet, hull, etc WILL blind you and effect your night vision. That's why I don't use them. A headlight mounted below the rail functions the same as your car headlights ... no glare back into your face. To protect your vision, you MUST get the light forward and (more importantly) below the front of the boat. A light source anywhere else just doesn't work as well. Tell you what ... the next time you're out after dark, get your partner to shine the light from anywhere in the boat. Even lying on the front deck will do. THEN, have them crawl up and hold the light well below the rubrail and in front of the boat. (do this sitting still, please!) I think you'll immediately see the huge difference in the manner in which it effects your sight.
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<font size="3" face="Georgia"><font size="3" face="Georgia">Well, to start with, we didn't need an explanation of the navigation lighting regulations. If you don't already know that, then you shouldn't own a boat. Secondly, I can't for the life of me imagine anyone that can't tell the difference between a anchor light and a headlight.
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<font size="3" face="Georgia">This will be fun. I have successfully piloted watercraft in Australia, Greece, the Atlantic, the gulf of Mexico, the Pacific, and inland Alaska(40 ft. jet boats in 6 inches of water). However it is not my opinion on why headlights on small watercraft are illegal. You can read Chapman's Rules ofPiloting and be comfortable navigating watercraft anywhere in the world and maybe understand why it is illegal to run a white light on the front of your boat.</font></p>
 
The statement "ANY lights other than basic navigation lights that may come with your boat are illegal to operate at night" is patently false UNLESS those lights meet the exception (b) below.

Here is the actual rule. NOW you can argue your opinions on "cannot be mistaken" and "impair their visibility":

PART C - LIGHTS AND SHAPES
Rule 20 - Application

(a) Rules in this part shall be complied with in all weathers.

(b) The Rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights which cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out.
 
EricM - 1/24/2012 10:26 PM (b) The Rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights which cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out.
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That makes it interesting. But you should listen to me and not take anyone else's word on this matter. After all ... I've successfully piloted watercraft in Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida. I even have a commercial pilot's license and have flown airplanes at 12,000 feet over 6 inches of water.. So that must make me an expert with an opinion that shouldn't be challenged, too. And anyone should understand that the regulations say that an auxiliary light is legal to run as long as it doesn't confuse other boaters. Of course ... there are those simple-minded folks out there that can't tell the difference bettween a 5 watt anchor light and a 150 watt headlight. Hope none of those professional boat pilots from Greece or Alaska run into me head-on on Chickamauga. emoRolleyes
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