Liberal logic 101. Even Danny cant argue this one.

[SpurHunter]

No excuse.

 

[spnplgr]

The liberals want to take our guns away. They do not want an armed guard in your kid's school. They do not want you to carry so you can protect yourself from thugs and criminals. Yet, they have armed body guards and armed guards at schools where their kids attend. WTF??? Oh I forgot - you and I do not deserve the same protection that they do.

 

[outcaster]

Stop tossing me softballs Spur lol. First, the entire premise of your picture is false. There is no hypocrisy that I see, or as a responsible gun owner have experienced, nor have have been made to feel that I am a terrorist because I own a gun. It must be a figment of the NRA's imagination. However I will point out some hypocrisy for you: A terrorist attempted to board a plane with a bomb in his shoe. Now all of us have to take our shoes off before boarding a plane, yet I don't see you jumping up and down having a hissy fit. But try to require back ground checks for all gun sales and suggesting a ban military style weapons and you're having a stroke. I've heard guys talking about the fact that a gun left alone never killed anyone. While a true statement it completely misses the point. I have a car in my driveway. Left alone it will never break any traffic laws, run someone down, crash causing injury or death. Like the gun, it just sits there. But unlike the gun, I have to demonstrate to a gov't employee that I can drive it and pass a test before they will give me a license. I have to register the car, and re-resgister every year there after. If I sell the car the new owner has to register it also. Even when the car is crap and ready for the junk yard I have to produce a title to get someone to turn it into scrap metal. Yet guns can be traded after the original purchase un regulated. Yet you're ok with that. Someone please explain to me how "a well regulated militia" as described in the 2nd Amendment gets twisted into an over-armed, unregulated populace. The 2nd Amendment does not guarantee your ownership of any kind of weapon you want. Just as the 1st Amendment (free speech) doesn't give the right to slander and perjury. The President's gun policy does absolutely nothing to restrict our ability to own firearms for the purposes of hunting, sporting personal and property protection. According to a recent poll, even a majority of NRA members are in favor of background checks on all gun sales. While most of you seem "up in arms" so to speak about Sen's Corker and Alexander supporting common sense weapon laws, I applaud them for having the courage to do what is right even though down here in the south, guns and bible thumping rule the day. They actually had the balls to do what is right even though it will cost them votes. And no spnplgr, I'm a proud liberal, a gun owner and sportsman, We're not coming after your guns. That statement is about as asinine as livliner's assertion that the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to shoot a gov't official.

 

[foodsaver]

the 2nd amendment is not designed to keep my hunting weapons safe. It is designed to allow us to have the weapons necessary to revolt when the "tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants" Enacting reactionary legislation because of a crisis is horrible and unfortunately is a tactic that has been used to pass awful legislation that would have no hope of passing without a crisis (patriot act anyone?). If i believed that gun control were about anything but control I would be all for it. That being said the lesson that has played out in history is that gun control comes before tyranny. It is easier to fight gun control than it is to fight tyranny so I will stand against gun control just to be on the safe side.

 

[outcaster]

foodsaver - 4/15/2013 10:38 PM

the 2nd amendment is not designed to keep my hunting weapons safe. It is designed to allow us to have the weapons necessary to revolt when the "tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants" Enacting reactionary legislation because of a crisis is horrible and unfortunately is a tactic that has been used to pass awful legislation that would have no hope of passing without a crisis (patriot act anyone?). If i believed that gun control were about anything but control I would be all for it. That being said the lesson that has played out in history is that gun control comes before tyranny. It is easier to fight gun control than it is to fight tyranny so I will stand against gun control just to be on the safe side.

No It doesn't. Ask Timothy McVeigh, he got pissed at the tyranny of the gov't and tried to "refresh the tree of liberty". Oh that's right, you can't ask him, the gov't executed him. C'mon guys. At least read a History book before you come at me with silly arguments.

 

[foodsaver]

One man standing against the government alone (and quite frankly acting as a terrorist) does not an example make. A better example would be the british who ran this place before they added one tax to many. Just because Thomas Jefferson was wrong on the time frame doesn't mean he was wrong on the process. You mention history books. A list of leaders that banned guns before committing unspeakable acts against their citizens: Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tze Tung, Idi Amin, Pol Pot for starters (FYI you can read about them in your history book). First they banned guns. Then they carried out whatever unspeakable evil act they were determined to do. George Washington also had something to say on the matter of guns. It is strange that it doesn't talk at all about the recreational use of guns but instead about their necessity to preserve liberty.
“From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.”

Speaking of silly arguments outside of a very small number gun deaths are among individuals who already have criminal histories. It is illegal for most of them to own a gun now. IF we as a country could fix the gang problem and the fatherless problem it would have a far greater impact on gun violence than banning guns would.

 

[foodsaver]

We disagree emphatically about the role and scope of government and as such we will never agree on anything politically. One thing we can agree on is the fishing has been great this year and neither of us are doing enough of it.

 

[Sniperchoke]

I think most are missing the boat on this one. This is all political posturing. The Dems don't give a damn about gun control all they care about is playing on emotions for votes... If they truly gave a rats a$$ about gun violence they would be marching in the streets of Chicago, DC, and Detroit. Oh that's right they already have those votes sewn up...

 

[outcaster]

You mentioned George Washington, tell me what you think about the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794, and how it relates to your assertion that groups of unhappy citizens have the right under the 2nd amendment to take on the govt in a military fashion, or refresh the liberty tree as you call it. Better yet, let's shut up and fish. I'll have the trolling motor installed on the new center console in a couple of days. I'm still waiting on a trolling motor receptacle to ship to me. Seems no one in this town stocks anything for motorguide.

 

[foodsaver]

I have noticed that about motorguide. Next boat will have a minn kota just because I don't have to stock all the spare parts for it. What kind of center console did you switch to? I remember you having a bass boat.

 

[foodsaver]

as for the whiskey rebellion they had a right to rebel and had they stood their ground they would have in Thomas Jefferson's words contributed the blood of patriots to the tree of liberty. In this particular example the tax was repealed when the Just because you have a right to stand against the government doesn't mean there will be no consequences. Armed rebellion will only work when the government has overstepped it's bounds enough to affect the majority of the populace. It doesn't pay to be the early adopter of rebellion.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 4/16/2013 8:29 AM

You mentioned George Washington, tell me what you think about the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794, and how it relates to your assertion that groups of unhappy citizens have the right under the 2nd amendment to take on the govt in a military fashion, or refresh the liberty tree as you call it. Better yet, let's shut up and fish. I'll have the trolling motor installed on the new center console in a couple of days. I'm still waiting on a trolling motor receptacle to ship to me. Seems no one in this town stocks anything for motorguide.

Our whole existence as a country was founded on Rebellion against tyranny. The founders had just lived through the revolution and they put their ass on the line for freedom. They lost friends and family to the war. Thats why they had the foresight to establish the 2nd amendment. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

 

[beetlespin]

I personally believe we would be better off with a well armed general population and a smaller military.

 

[SpurHunter]

I wouldnt argue that Lance.

 

[outcaster]

My driveway is already full. Where can I keep my fighter jet? How much are monthly payments on one of those? According to the logic here, the 2nd amendment gives me the right to special order one from Lockheed Martin. Somebody call them up and ask to place an order for one. I have to wait til I'm done paying child support before I can afford the aircraft carrier. If I get it, will they let me dock it at the Harrison bay marina?

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 4/16/2013 10:34 AM

My driveway is already full. Where can I keep my fighter jet? How much are monthly payments on one of those? According to the logic here, the 2nd amendment gives me the right to special order one from Lockheed Martin. Somebody call them up and ask to place an order for one. I have to wait til I'm done paying child support before I can afford the aircraft carrier. If I get it, will they let me dock it at the Harrison bay marina?

Who needs an fighter jet when the thugs in Obamas backyard are doing a pretty good job of killing and maiming with cheap .38 revolvers!

 

[outcaster]

foodsaver - 4/16/2013 9:35 AM

I have noticed that about motorguide. Next boat will have a minn kota just because I don't have to stock all the spare parts for it. What kind of center console did you switch to? I remember you having a bass boat.

I got a Mako pro skiff 16 center console. Always wanted a saltwater boat. I'm still working on getting it tricked out and broken in. I'll be posting some reports soon.

 

[foodsaver]

nice! Look forward to the reports. hope to see some inshore ones as well.

 

[WLG]

outcaster - 4/16/2013 10:34 AM

My driveway is already full. Where can I keep my fighter jet? How much are monthly payments on one of those? According to the logic here, the 2nd amendment gives me the right to special order one from Lockheed Martin. Somebody call them up and ask to place an order for one. I have to wait til I'm done paying child support before I can afford the aircraft carrier. If I get it, will they let me dock it at the Harrison bay marina?

Hey. You reckon we can mount some rod holders and a hummingbird side swipin sonar on that there fighter jet. Man that would be awesome!!!! I will never agree with all the democrats stand for nor the republicans for that matter but I'm glad we are still free to have a discussion about it here on an open forum without getting arrested. As an average poor boy who pays my taxes I just want to be able to 1 ... Work so I can take care of myself and my family..2 have enough left over to buy gas and bait and the likes to go fishing with... 3. Be able to tote my little .38 pistol with me when I come back into the boat ramp at night just incase some terrorist tries to take m fish I just caught ..and 4 be able to have insurance that a doctor will actually accept to take care of my flesh wounds when I beat the day lights out if whoever tried to take my fish I just caught. Now think about this. There's a lot of politics in what I just said. I just put it in terms us good ol boys from the south can understand !! Oh yes and I'm glad that we can all go fishing together and be friends after discussing all this BS on this here computer !!