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GUYS WHY ARE KEEPING AND EATING ALL THOSE SPOTS.YOU MAY SAY THEY ARE HURTING THE SMALLMOUTH POPULATION BUT THE REASON THERE/S NO SMALLMOUTH IS PEOPLE WAS ALWAYS KEEPING THEM PROOF GO TO ANY TACKLE STORE LOOK AT ALL THE SM PICTURES.YOU GUYS ARE CATCHING 40 50 FISH A TRIP BUT IF YOU DONT STOP EATING THEM IT/S GOING TO GET LIKE THE SM POPULATION WHEN GO YOUR GOING TO ONLY CATCH 4 OR 5 THEN WHAT ARE GOING TO PUT THE BLAME ON THE CATFISH.I HAVE BEEN FISHING BELOM CHICKAMAUGA DAM FOR OVER 25 YEARS AND HAVE ALWAYS CAUGHT ALOT OF SPOTED BASS.I CAN REMEBER WHEN THERE WASN/T MANY SMALLMOUTH IN THE RIVER.THEN FISHERMAN STARTED PUTTING IN A FEW SMALLMOUTH AT A TIME FROM PICKWICK THEN OVER 10 TO 12 YEARS THE STARTED TO BE ALOT OF SM BASS THEN THE FISHERMAN STARTED TO KEEP THEM JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE KEEPING THE SPOTS AND 5 OR 6 YEARS THEY WHERE ABOUT GONE. SO STOP THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE FISHERY. WHERE ELSE CAN YOU GO AND CATCH 50 BASS A DAY BE THANKFUL.
 
LISTEN I/M NOT TRYING TO START TROUBLE I/M JUST SAYING PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THE SPOTS FOR THE DECLINE IN THE SM POPULATION WHEN THE TRUTH IS IT/S THE FISERMAN TO BLAME FOR KEEPING SO MANY.GOD GAVE US CONTROL OVER THE ANIMALS KEEP A FEW TO EAT BUT NOT 10 EYERY TIME YOUR GO.LOOK WHAT THE WHITE MAN DID TO THE WHITETAIL DEER IN THE 1800'S AND THE EARLY 1900'S THE ABOUT KILLED ALL OF THEM WITH OVER HARVEST.WHEN IT/S OVER AND YOUR WONDRING WHAT HAPPEN TO THE SPOTTED BASS STOP AND THICK OF ALL THE ONES YOU HAVE EATEN KEEP AFEW TO THROW THE REST BACK FOR OTHERS TO CATCH MAYBE A KID.
 
[img=http://www.floridasportsman.com/art/popcorn.gif] <font color="#ff6666" size="4"> Sit back and watch the show...  That has got to be a joke...Right?</font></p>
 
No I dont think its a joke LL. I believe this fisherman believes in what he is saying. I think there are lots of folks that dont truely understand the role proper harvest plays in todays conservation. I am going to leave the detailed explanation to MB, as he is the true expert on the this subject for sure.
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If that is true then all the claims of all the States that are saying that there are more Whitetail deer than there has ever been must be liars to trick folks into buying a hunting licence. The hundreds that you see in the neighborhood behind Battlefield Golf Club that are destroying everything that grows must be just big Rabbits. My family owned that land just southeast of the Park that is now the golf course and I remember seeing my first deer when I was a teenager in the edge of the park. I remember before they were stocked there were none. </p><font size="2">

</p></font>The worst thing that you can do to a deer herd is to leave them alone. If we do not thin the herd, Mother Nature will in her cruel way. The same applies to the dominating Spot.
 
I am 100% with you LL on the deer, but I dont want to hi-jack this guys thread. Why dont you start one on hunting, and we can splain proper deer management for those that would like to listen? BTW we need to get in the woods...I am eyeing some healthy does behind the house for the grill....
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B-TRACKER - 9/18/2007 5:45 PM LISTEN I/M NOT TRYING TO START TROUBLE I/M JUST SAYING PEOPLE ARE BLAMING THE SPOTS FOR THE DECLINE IN THE SM POPULATION WHEN THE TRUTH IS IT/S THE FISERMAN TO BLAME FOR KEEPING SO MANY.GOD GAVE US CONTROL OVER THE ANIMALS KEEP A FEW TO EAT BUT NOT 10 EYERY TIME YOUR GO.LOOK <font color="#ff0000">WHAT THE WHITE MAN DID TO THE WHITETAIL DEER IN THE 1800'S AND THE EARLY 1900'S THE ABOUT KILLED ALL OF THEM WITH OVER HARVEST.</font>WHEN IT/S OVER AND YOUR WONDRING WHAT HAPPEN TO THE SPOTTED BASS STOP AND THICK OF ALL THE ONES YOU HAVE EATEN KEEP AFEW TO THROW THE REST BACK FOR OTHERS TO CATCH MAYBE A KID.
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Who's hijacking??  See the post above...Very much on topic.  And I did compare the over-population problems of Whitetail Deer to the Spot problem.</p>
 
Now boys, behave yourselves!</p>

B-TRACKER,</p>

I brought up this issue with TWRA last year.  As I fished the river, I noticed that while I caught hundreds of spots, I caught very few small largemouth & smallmouth.  As I learned about the relationship between these 3 species of bass, I found out that where they shared the same water, the spots tended to dominate and eventually take over the area.  I also learned that all of the Region 4 lakes already had a 15 spot per day limit (Norris, Douglas, Cherokee, etc.) but none of the Region 3 lakes had a liberal spot limit.  So, I asked the Commission to increase the limit on spots to 15 per day per angler for the Upper Nickajack. Our Regional Biologist told me that a bass fisherman would not keep a 10" bass (spot) therefore it would not do any good.  I told them it can't hurt and it might help.  So, the Commission asked the Agency, "Why not?"</p>

TWRA responded by asking the Commission to postpone their decision until they could do some electrofishing studies.  They did that this past winter and spring and came back with the recommendation to raise the limit to 15 per day from the Dam down to Chickamauga Creek.  So, TWRA agrees that for that area, an increase in creel limit is justified.</p>

By the way, Norris has gotten so bad that TWRA has recommended that the creel limit be removed on that lake.   </p>

So, what do we need to do?  </p>

I plan to do something to try and educate the folks who fish the piers at the RiverPark to help them identify a spot so they will know what they have.  Some fishermen down there won't keep any bass under 15" for fear it's a largemouth.</p>

We need to be on the lookout for and report folks when we see them fill a 5 gallon bucket with little LM & SM.</p>

We need to be diligent to harvest spots so that when we get further studies done we will see if the percentage of largemouth & smallmouth is increasing or not.  For now, the few of us who take this seriously need to concentrate our efforts on the area between the Dam and South Chickamauga Creek.</p>

I'm going to ask the Agency to do some studies further down the river so that we might get the area extended to Suck Creek.</p>

I have attached an article written by the Head of Fisheries Management for TWRA. He wrote this partly because of my request. </p>

<font color="#3300ff">Spotted Bass Identification and Creel Limits</font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">Recently TWRA received several calls and correspondence from anglers expressing concern about spotted bass identification and their more liberal creel limits in certain Tennessee reservoirs. These anglers were concerned that they might unintentionally keep numbers of largemouth bass over the limit while attempting to limit out on spotted bass. Several years ago when we first proposed liberalizing creel limits on spotted bass in east Tennessee we were also concerned with this and looked for one single characteristic that both anglers and officers could rely on. The character we settled on was the small patch of teeth on the tongue- spotted bass have them, largemouth bass generally do not. The word "generally" refers to the unusual trait of largemouth bass to occasionally exhibit a small tooth patch. This oddity shows up in one in every 100 to 150 largemouth bass. <u><font color="#ff0000">So even if the bass with a tooth patch is a largemouth, for simplicity sake, we consider it to be a spotted bass.</font></u> That way no one has to wonder if they are exceeding the limit or what species of bass they are keeping. Please refer to the Fishing Guide for a drawing depicting the location of the tooth patch in the mouth cavity.</font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">You may have wondered why we liberalized creel limits on spotted bass in the first place. Why should we be worried about this small member of the black bass family that usually measures less than 12-inches in length? <font color="#ff0000">Several years of fairly intense sampling of black bass populations in reservoirs have indicated that in certain waterbodies, the proportion of spotted bass in the population is increasing, apparently displacing largemouth and smallmouth. In some instances, the percentage of spotted bass in electrofishing sampling has increased from less than 20% to currently exceeding 50%. The quality of the black bass fishery- fewer largemouth and smallmouth- is at stake.</font> Additionally, pound for pound spotted bass are recognized by many anglers and biologists alike as the scrappiest and most aggressive of the black basses, out competing largemouth and smallmouth for food and space. Their food habits are worrisome as well. <font color="#ff0000">Studies 10 years ago at Norris Lake indicated that adult spotted bass feed more heavily on black bass offspring (all 3 species) than did largemouth and smallmouth.</font> So to counteract this shift in spotted bass abundance and dominance, we have proposed more liberal creel limits on these reservoirs that allow anglers to take home more of these smaller cousins of the more preferred largemouth and smallmouth. So far, the reservoir type exhibiting this population shift has been upland, storage impoundments with high water clarity. However, anglers around Chattanooga are expressing concern for increasing spotted bass catch rates they are seeing on Nickajack and Chickamauga, two mainstream impoundments. TWRA is currently evaluating this situation and we will report the findings to our Commission sometime next summer.</font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">What can you do as an angler to protect largemouth and smallmouth bass fisheries? <font color="#ff0000">If you fish waters with liberalized spotted bass creel limits, please take as many as you can of all sizes, within the creel limit, of course. Encourage other anglers to do the same</font>. Our creel surveys show that anglers have been reluctant, so far, to focus their efforts on harvesting spotted bass in the lakes with liberal creel limits. </font><font color="#ff0000">Anglers need to realize that TWRA does not have the manpower to remove these tiny dynamos from all these bodies of water for you. You must do it for yourself and for the other anglers that enjoy the bounty of fishing experiences we have in Tennessee. </font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">Bill Reeves</font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">TWRA</font></p>

<font color="#3300ff">Fisheries Chief</font></p>

A couple of key points:</p>

The #1 predator of LM & SM are spots!</p>

Rob Mottice, the biologist at the Aquarium told me that they tried to put LM, SM, & spots in the same tank, but they had to take out the spots because the spots would not let the LM & SM get anything to eat!
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Very good MB.  That is old news to some of the CFF oldtimers.  However your post should be read and studied by all who fishes that can read.  The knowledge you so graciously share is very necessary to know and practice.</p>

Thanks</p>

Beetlespin.Is that last "BS" representing your name or what your post is?
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I know it's old news but B-Tracker joined up in February, long after most of the discussion.</p>

I'm sure it's a shock to some newcomers that somebody is advocating actually keeping and eating a limit of spots.  Remember, one of the things we all recognized was the difficulty in modifying the "Catch & Release" mentality. </p>

Oh, don't pay any atttention to Beetlespin, he's a "Contrarian".  He got that from his Daddy.</p>
 
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Thanks MB! I would have just butchered the information, so I a glad I left it for you. </p>

B-Tracker, I hope you realize Madbomber is an authority on this issue. It is almost his sole focus, and I can absolutely promise you, if it was not good for the black, and small-mouth bass, he of ALL people, would not be promoting it. I hope you catch tons of them, and cook the fire out of um! They taste gooooooddd
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Naw..I have a hat press and a t-shirt press. After MB concluded his meetings last year with TWRA, I made a pretty neat official "Eat More Spots "Shirt. I think it said Eat More Spots Campaign 2006 or something..
 
Wow, and to think this is added to my thread l'arnin' me how to identify a spot, I feel like a freakin jean.. jiniu..gin.... I feel SMART!
 
This year we have fished one stretch of bank about 200 yards long on about 50% of our trips to the Riverpark. We have boated around 700 spots off this one stretch of bank since March and probably kept 50 or so. I am going to fish this bank Thursday and Friday and catching 25-30 fish each day should not be a problem. I know about 2-3 other fisherman on the forum that also fish the stretch of bank and keep spots. The sheer number of fish in the river is unreal.

If you can find it the thread about trouny kills on LM it has some good information concerning creel limits and their impact to the overall fishery. Since we don't have any spot tourny's on Nick these fish are not harrassed like the smallies or LM. If the 5-6 of us on the Forum kept 5 spots each for the whole year each trip we made we would not take out the number of fish AlvinC and I have caught off one 200 yard stretch of bank. This does not include our other 10 holes down there.

Trust me, we are not even denting the spot population. Good or bad it will take a lot more fisherman than the 5-6 of us that actaully eat some of these things to make a difference.

You know since we have this going why does no one take offence to everyone keeping every 10" crappie they catch or every cat they catch for dinner. Why are bass so precious above other fish that keeping some to eat will destroy the fishery. It amazes me there are any crappie left in the river.

Limits are in place for a reason. Keep what you want up to the limit and let the rest live for another day. After all up until the last 30 years of human existance fishing was an activity to provide food, not see who could catch the best 5.

As far as the Spot Fest it is as legit as any tourny on the Tennesse River and probably more so since the money will be going to help protect our river. And if anyone wants to keep their 5 then it is well within the law to do so.
 
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beetlespin - 9/18/2007 7:18 PM It sounds like we need to just get rid of all the white people!! I'm 1/16 slapaho Indian and 15/16 white but I only claim the slapaho part! That would solve all the sssspppppaaaaaatttttt problems!! BS
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I thought you married a Notaho?</p>
Now Billy, you better be nice!!!!!
 
MrWiskers - 9/18/2007 9:52 PM Why are bass so precious above other fish that keeping some to eat will destroy the fishery.
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AMEN! Just for that, I think I will go out soon and catch me a bunch of bass and have a fry!.......dang wish my boat was a-runnin....</p>
 
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