yea i don't know where in the hell they found all them deer because we went on the nov 26/27 and out of five guys there was one doe seen. all i saw was the wind blowing about 30mph all day sat. did not hunt sun. the rain set in saturday night and the wind never let up. we decided to pack up and come back home with our tails tucked like a whipped puppy dog. worst hunt i have been on in a while.