Spots & Largemouth VS. Smallmouth -the Biologist's view

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This is an e-mail from Rob Mottice, Biologist with the Tennessee Aquarium to Mike Jolley, the TWRA Officer who is conducting the electroshocking study of the Chickamauge Tailwaters.

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From: Rob J. Mottice
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:37 PM

Subject: Chickamauga Tailwaters Smallmouth Bass Fishery



Hey Mike!



The group of local fishermen who have an interest in better managing the smallmouth fishery just below the dam as it relates to the presence of spotted and largemouth bass just might be on to something. Back in 1991 when we were stocking our largest freshwater tank (Lake Nickajack Exhibit), we tried repeatedly to house those 3 species in that exhibit. It is the second largest freshwater tank in the US; but even in that amount of space, the smallmouths still got out-competed for food by the spots and the largemouths. Even though no empirical data was recorded, it seemed as though the aggressiveness of the spotted and largemouth basses on the smallmouth during feeding times was not based on specie but more on size. If all 3 species were located in an area where food entered the water, the largest either spotted or largemouth would “bully” the smallmouth out of the way to get to the food; and in most cases, it was the spotted. Consequently, we had to eliminate the “smallies” because of the aggressiveness of the other two species.



I don’t know how far down stream from the base of the dam your survey work occurs, but there is a small area – river mile 469.0 – that Dr. Mark Schorr of UTC and I have sampled for years with his Limnology and Ichthyology students. I teach the Electrofishing portion of his labs using our boat shocker. Due to easy shoreline accessibility for Mark teaching seining and hoop net retrieval while I’m out on the water, we work in the first slough down stream of the boat ramp at Riverpark. It is easily visible from the boat ramp, and it is the one with the rock jetty that parallels the channel. The students, who are in my boat, learn all about how a boat shocker works and how to do survey work with one. Once our runs are finished, we take the fish to the shoreline where the others are working, and teach the students how to ID fish, measure them (we only do TL’s), record the data and then release the fish. Mark at a later date works up the data and creates an electronic file which I am sure he would be more than happy to share with you. His E-mail address is [email protected]. If nothing else, it might be interesting to compare the two assemblages of fish (tailwaters vs. downstream). Even though we rolled-up a 5 lb. smallmouth in that slough last week, we have collected extremely few in that area in the past.



Please feel free to use any of my observation information above. If you think my presence at the next meeting would be helpful, I would be more than happy to attend.



Cheers!

Rob
 
There is also a member on here that can equally speak on the subject at least when it comes to shocking probably better than most , as he has worked for the TVA Aquatics Dept, shocking all over the Valley. He goes by "Shocker". I dont know when he is usually on here, but he might give his opinion if ya ask him...he is a real nice fella.
 
This is some great info!!! I love that bronzeback talk!!!! Here, were I spend most of my time fishing for bass.(tellico-loudon) One day you catch Largemouth on a hole. The next day, you catch smallmouth. It seems like I catch spots just next door to the smallies. Maybe thats why smallies prefer current and moving like a pack of wild dogs.
 
BEETLESPIN is an expert in this. he took Dr. Schorr's class and did a lot of the hoop net samples maybe he can offer up some insight.
 
I actually did take the limnology class from Dr. Schorr and i also did my under graduate research semester with Dr. schorr using the hoopnets in the North Chickamauga creek watershed. Dr.Schorr is probably the best research professor at UTC and he is a pretty cool guy too. I tell you, that electro shocking was one of the most fun things i have ever done. I want to rig that up on my z-20 but fishheadspin and I would goof around and get electrocuted! Rob Mottice is also a first class guy and a brilliant fisheries biologist. I bet they would both love to have a bunch of amateur researchers out on the lake collecting data for them.
 
Great report! Good to hear that a biologist agree's with your findings. We need to keep on and have our voice be heard. Oh ya, also keep those spots that compete for food with the smallmouths.
 
<font color="#6600ff">This is just a positive re-enforcement of what we have been trying to tell all these folks on the TWRA comm. board....I know this was sent to the proper folks up there.  The Madbomber is relentlessly driving through all the crap to get things changed on the SPOT THINGIE.  The commissioners are very hesitant about changing things if they don't get all the info from our biologist and the go ahead....good article.
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I just now sent an e-mail to Mark Schoor at UTC giving him some background on the effort and inviting him to share his insight with us.

Rob Mottice is a CFF member already and I invited Dr. Schoor to join also.
 
Here is Mike Jolley's reply to Rob Mottice</p>





November 21, 2006 7:10 AM To: Rob J. Mottice </p>

Subject: Re: Chickamauga Tailwaters Smallmouth Bass Fishery </p>

Rob, Thanks for the info. I actually passed your observations on, from our prior phone conversation, at the last commission meeting when this issue came up. I viewed it two ways; 1. yes they are more aggressive (in many ways), which is one reason they (the concerned fishermen) were catching more of them, they're usually the first ones to hit the bait 2. Also, I acknowledged that they were prone to be more aggressive feeders when compared to largemouth and smallmouth but didn't know if it was hurting the food supply. As you know, the forage base below these dams are usually very high. Is it high enough, we'll see. I asked to have more time before making our decision, regarding creel limits, to get a good picture of what is going on down there. Our first electrofishing survey showed good numbers of stock, above and below, of both largemouth and spots. Smallmouth, were much less numerous, but I'm sure it was because they were deeper. Although, I know there numbers aren't going to rival their cousins. I plan on two more electro surveys, one being at night, and one in spring. Upon finishing these we will make an assessment and go from there. There truly is a great smallmouth fishery down there and I hope to help it if possible. I just have reservations regarding liberalizing the spots, or any resource, until we have a good feel of what's there. Many people still enjoy fishing for them. However, if our surveys show they need or can handle a reduced creel that will be my recommendation. Thanks for the info, hope all is well, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Please keep me posted of anything regarding this..........</p>

Thanks. Mike Jolley TWRA Reservoir Fisheries Biologist </p>
 
Good stuff MadBomber. Looks you have the attention of the right folks taking a closer look at things on that stretch of the river to make a determination based on data collection. Congratulations! I look forward to hearing what the results are after next Spring's survey.
 
I think the Forum should be a place to not only share fishing reports, but also to share and promote ideas to protect our resource. 
 
MadBomber, I agree wholeheartedly about your philosophy concerning CFF not only sharing fishing reports, but also sharing and promoting ideas to protect our resources. RIGHT ON! I will try to keep my nose in this as much as possible. Right now, I have a good feeling that we will see some kind of positive change in the regulations after Mike completes his spring survey. By the way, I love the cows and your saying: "Rip rap is like a box of chocolates" cracks me up.

Beetlespin, thanks for the compliment! Were you ever out with me on the shocking boat?
 

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