Take that you capitalist pigs!!!!

[SpurHunter]

<div>"We won!" "That's right, we stand together in the face of evil corporations and demand they give us what we want!"</div>

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2012/11/16/hostess-brands-moves-to-wind-down-operations-sell-assets/?test=latestnews</p>

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Moral of the story, Liberals are fucking idiots. Unions are the death of another company, when will they learn?</p>

 

[Sniperchoke]

They won't. The whole Country is going to have to hit rock bottom. Fasten your seatbelts!!!

 

[foodsaver]

Union Worker: "You aren't paying me enough"
Management: "We're losing money. You have to take a pay cut or we close the plant."
Union Worker: "You aren't paying me enough"
Management: "Fine, we won't pay you at all"
Union Worker: "You aren't paying me enough"
Management: "We are closing the plant, bye"
Union Worker: "You aren't paying me enough"...Silence
Union Worker: "You aren't paying me enough"...Crickets
Union Worker: "Why did all the jobs move overseas?"
Union Worker: "Government, please help me. I voted for you."

 

[Jmax]

Yea, that one made no sense. There are multiple Unions involved in that company. All had agreed to an 8% cut in pay and several other concessions to keep it open except the Baker's Union which was about 30% of the work force. The CEO had told them straight out that if they had a strike it would close the company. He had meetings with them right up to the end but they apparently did not believe him. They told him that he was using that as a threat. He explained it was not a threat but a fact of life that it would be the nail in the coffin to close Hostess. They went on strike and are now closing. There was actually several other unions who agreed and were trying to get the Baker's Union to agree as well. I wonder what the Baker's Union thinks now with the closing of the company happening. When asked if they came forward and agreed now the CEO said it was too late. They were having many of their customers banking on products that would not get to the shelf and that space now would be giving to another companies, too little too late.

Sometimes people can't realize that a decrease in pay is better then no job at all. Over 18,000 people will now be facing unemployment right when jobs are hard to come by and the Holiday season is right here upon us. emoTskTsk Did not see any bail out on that company....oh wait...he already got re-elected so that is fine they close. emoDoh

 

[spnplgr]

Anyone who believes bomma cares is crazy. bomma's agenda is to cause financial collapse so a strongman can pick up the pieces, cancel the constitution and create a social utopia where each citizen gets a guarnateed annual income - without working!!! Google cloward-piven strategy to read his strategy.

 

[outcaster]

Hostess execs took salary increases of 7.9 million dollars while the company was in bankruptcy. Yeah go ahead, blame the workers. Hostess has been mismanaged for decades, and got their ass whipped in the market place. It was our own Little Debbie (McKee Foods) that took them down. They make better products, more varieties, and sell them for less. They also pay and treat their employees well, so organized labor is not needed. It's so typical for problems caused by greed and mismanagement at the top to be blamed on the peons or the gov't. It's a stupid and uninformed notion to believe that workers, (union or not) want the company they work for to fail.

 

[beetlespin]

Hostess was a victim of capitalism. Poor management leads to poor results. I'm am totally against unions but management can't be giving themselves huge raises while they are taking away from employees. I do not feel sorry for them at all

 

[SpurHunter]

You two are both on crack. Do the math, that's $427.03 per employee at 18,500. It make NO DIFFERENCE what management makes, if you agree to work for X dollars, you suck it up and do it. To decide a couple years down, that your raises havn't been enough, you go elsewhere, plain and simple. You don't bankrupt a company. How utterly retarded.

 

[Buoy-Master]

I said the same thing to our guys at the shop the other day.

 

[outcaster]

I DID the Math. While Hostess tried to cut the workers pay by 8% and benefits by 32%, the CEO took a 300% pay raise. Nine other Hostess exec. took salary increases of 60% to 100% while the company was in in it's second bankruptcy. While taking these raises, they stopped paying into the company pension plan. Even a "retard"","on crack" can understand that mismanagement and greed at the top killed this company. It's just much easier to blame the workers, and blame the union. That's just a cop out. If these high paid execs had been smart.... they would have found a way to make better products, sell them for less, and compete better in the market place.

 

[SpurHunter]

Danny. If you start a company, whether its a fishing biz or selling koolaid, and you must hire employees for some reason, who should set the rate of pay for them? I would imagine you would decide, Joe-Bob is worth, $x amount to perform the duties I am asking. You tell him up front, he agrees and yall both make money. When he finds out your making way more than him, your telling me you would allow him to destroy your company due to pay equality?? If you said yes your a damn liar. It makes no difference if its a 3 man company, or a 3K man company. </p>

Do the research,Hostessemployeesmade almost twice the average rate for doing this kind of work. Unioncorruptiondestroying anothercompany, plain and simple.</p>

 

[Jmax]

The CEO even said that poor management had a big hand in it. He stated there was a lot of blame to go around to all who were a part of it. He did go on national TV and state the pay cuts were across the board at 8% to everyone on this time around. They had a representative from the union on one show yesterday where he stated the Baker's Union side. His take on it was the last time they gave into concessions and then the management made moves to better position themselves after they gave in. This cut in benefits and pay on top of what they had already given up was more then they could bare. He said they realized there was a strong chance they would loose their jobs but after the last cut in pay and benefits with this one on top of it the Baker's Union felt it would not be able to even support their families on what they would end up with. He said they choose to take their chances and if the end was on unemployment so be it.

He also brought up that the last time the workers had a benefit program in which they paid in $4 dollars per hour to go towards their pension and the company was in charge of it. He then said the management borrowed from that fund and now it is gone. He felt they had stole it. I do not believe that is even legal. What was probably happening is they set up a fund for pensions and the money was going out to people already drawing pensions from that account. One thing that is really killing a lot of companies and even States right now are the pension funds for past employees that are going out to people already retired. With investments not gaining much and the amounts paid in are less then what is going out the programs are doomed to go broke. Back when investments were earning 10% the market could support these programs. Now with the market so poor it is just not working. The older the company the greater the number who retired drawing from the fund. Now days if you have the chance to get a lump sum...take my advice and take it. It may one day be gone and your screwed if you choose not to. Many have a federal over seeing commission that will review and sell your share but the amount you were suppose to get vrs the actual amount you end up with is far less then what it would have been.

This is the same issue we are seeing with other groups like the teachers Unions. Retired teachers who are taking a annuity are draining the fund as other teachers who are paying into the fund expect to have it when they leave. Then if they have a cost of living adjustment added to it annually for those already drawing money out the amount going out grows even faster then the amount going in.

Don't mean to be giving a lesson in Economy 101 but that is the issue we are all facing right now with some of our retirement programs. If you have the chance to get it then do it. Then you will need to roll that amount over into a personal IRA so you don't have to pay taxes on it right now and you now can control your own money.

O.K. I will step down off my box now. emoRolleyes Jmax

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 11/20/2012 9:11 AM



Danny. If you start a company, whether its a fishing biz or selling koolaid, and you must hire employees for some reason, who should set the rate of pay for them? I would imagine you would decide, Joe-Bob is worth, $x amount to perform the duties I am asking. You tell him up front, he agrees and yall both make money. When he finds out your making way more than him, your telling me you would allow him to destroy your company due to pay equality?? If you said yes your a damn liar. It makes no difference if its a 3 man company, or a 3K man company. </p>

Do the research, Hostess employees made almost twice the average rate for doing this kind of work. Union corruption destroying another company, plain and simple. </p>

I don't own a business but I do know enough about business to understand that there is a HUGE difference between running and managing a small business than a multi national corporation. The two are often confused. Speaking for myself..... I couldn't sleep at night knowing I took home more than 300% more than the people who work their tails off for me. I work for a small business owner who makes, and has much more than me. I do a good job for him, make him money, and he pays and treats me well. And I will continue to work for him..... Happy cows give more milk!

 

[SpurHunter]

I cant for the life of me understand why liberals wont be content until all private biz is run out of the country, and 100% of the country receives their "share" from Uncle Sam.

 

[spnplgr]

"Their share from uncle sam" is a real problem because it does not work. Gov. William Bradford, early colonist governor, learned this the hard way. He governed over a community owned farm where everyone got an equal share of the harverst. After near starvation for a few years, he finally divided up the land equally and told each farmer "what you earn is yours alone.' The very next year, there was a boutiful harvest and near starvation was a thing of the past.

It happened that way because those who did not pull their fair share of the load got equal pay and benefits with those that busted their humps. Afterward, if each farmer did not work, he did not eat.

It's called motivation and incentive folks. Those on the government dole have no incentive to work. Hell, they get theirs regardless how hard you and I work. It kills human incentive; therefore, does not work and never will work beyond the timeframe where the government runs out of other peoples' money.

I don't know how long it is going to take this time around, but when socialism fails this time, life in these United States will be hell on earth for lots of people. When it failed last time, most had a horse and some land to till; therefore could grow food to live on. Today, very few have a horse or land to till. I doubt your SUV or hybrid vehicle will pull a plow effectively.

 

[SpurHunter]

One of my pet peeves is a worker who thinks that they are owed something from the company, even though they have already been paid for the job they did. You work and get paid. If you do your job well enough, you get to keep your job. If most do there job well enough, the company makes money and they all get to keep their jobs. The company owes them nothing. Any other mindset encourages organized laziness.
I feel sorry for a lot of the workers, the strike was by the BAKERS UNION, all the rest of the employees are loosing their jobs because of just a few assholes and their crooked corrupt union.