Transducer Installation on 2005 Skeeter TZX 2000 [Help]

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Mtn. Hunter

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I recently purchased 2 HDS9 Gen 2 touch units. I have installed electronics on my boats several times thru the years. I debated about where to install the transducer for the console mount; either thru the hull or outside on the transom. Before I started; I did a bunch of research and weighed out the pros and cons. I epoxied the 83/200 transducer in the center of the keel 8 inches from the transom. The transducer to the console unit has a very weak reading. I had another transducer; took it to the lake, hooked it to the unit, and moved it around in the bottom of the boat. Still a weak reading. I wonder if Skeeter boats have a double hull or wood around where Im trying to check for the best reading. I don't have a real good place to mount the transducer on the outside of the transom. Has anybody else ran into this problem? I am starting to get frustrated. Thanks. emoBang
 
I think with down image and side image you cant shoot thur hull mount on jack plate and can only read at idle speed
 
Are referring to the transducer for the your 2D sonar or for the side/down scan? Traditional 2D ducers should have no issues shooting through the hull on your boat. While they do make "through the hull" side/down scan ducers I don't think they come them from the factory, and I wouldn't want one anyway. Mount it on your transom or jack plate if you have room, and you'll be good to go. Lots of videos online to reference if you need some examples.
 
I have my LSS transducer mounted right beside my jackplate. I have a transducer with downscan mounted on the trolling motor. The issue Im having is with the 2D sonar. I have it epoxied in the center of my boat approx. 8 inches from the transom. Anywhere I try to get a reading in the bottom of the boat; it is very weak. Talked to a senior tech at Lowrance this morning and he said it sounded like a thickness issue in the bottom of my boat. Anybody have a Skeeter boat with the transducer installed in the hull? If so where did you locate the transducer? Thanks, Larry
 
Skeeter boat is not the issue. Your transducer placement is not the issue. In-Hull transducers will not have the same readings as if it were on the transom. If it is real bad you may have a transducer issue.
 
Mtn. Hunter, you think you're frustrated!!! Have a look at what I've been dealing with for the last couple months. I purchased all three units BRAND NEW... HDS7 Gen2 w/ LSS-2 83/200 Bundle (console unit) was purchased from BPS in late Aug. 2015... HDS9 Gen3 (bow unit) also from BPS in Oct. 2015... bought the HDI Transducer from DJ's Marine Electronics to go on the trolling motor in Oct. as well. Both units were prof. installed as well. Everything worked perfect with both units, returns and image quality looked like the pics on side of the box they come in. In Nov. 2015, I bought another HDS7(saving for a BBT Console Mount to run dual 7's side by side) , from Cabela's, but this one was a Gen3. Took the unit home and swapped it out (unit head only) with the Gen2 on the console. I used original power cable, LSS-2. 83/200, and Ethernet cable that was installed, by the dealership, when I purchased the boat (also BRAND NEW) in Aug. 2015. Powered the unit up for the very first time while in my garage, and updated the unit's software to the most current version that was available at that time. I did the update using the unit's built-in wifi in my garage at home. Followed Lowrance's update instructions to the letter... and at no time during the update did anything unusual take place.... no weak signal... no errors... no internet interruptions... update completed and unit restarted as advertised... and for a short period of time... everything in the world was right! The very next morning, I put the boat in at HBSP for long anticipated day of fishing. I was also excited to see how the new 7 performed as well. I made a short 3 to 5 minute run to my first spot. I brought the boat down to idle speed and hit it with High CHIRP, 800K DI AND SS. New 7 performing as advertised.. returns are crisp and well defined... resolution is top of the line as well. Then, outta no where, I began hearing a loud ticking and arcing sound that I'd never heard before that very moment coming from the bildge area of my boat. At first, I had no idea what it was or what was causing it. I thought that I was having an electrical issue because of the loud arcing noise. It sounded just like a taser gun at times. I put the console unit in standby mode and the noise stopped immediately.... this happened on and off throughout the day but didn't seem to effect either unit's performance... very strange to say the least. Once I got home later that afternoon, I gave the boat a closer look and isolated where the noise was coming from. It was the 83/200 ducer that was glassed in the hull. Immediately called Lowrance Tech Support, and spoke with some college kid who picked up a part time job to pay his way through school that's probably never fished a day in his life and more than likely doesn't even have any hands on experience or any on the water time with an HDS unit, I mean qualified support technician. I explain to him what's happening with the units/transducers in great detail. He says, "Sir, no need to worry, I assure you the transducers are in fact supposed to make that noise you are hearing. They are made to do that. In no way will this cause your units or transducers to perform at a substandard level!" I said.... really!!!! Then why, all of the sudden, did this noise just appear out of nowhere today. How come it just started today; and, I've never heard it prior to this? Went on to explain that my other units, never ever.. not even once caused the transducer to produce or even come close to acting that way and have always been flawless as far as performance goes. It wasn't until I got this newest unit that I started having this issue!!!" Tech says, "I have no idea... I can't answer that question for you... but again, I assure you that your units and transducer are performing as designed. If you feel as if they aren't, then send us some screen shots via email... those would be very helpful and we can quickly evaluate any problems that you may be experiencing." Long story short, over time ALL 3 UNITS begin performing erratically from time to time, in addition... now all 3 units cause the 83/200 transducer and the HDI to emit the loud arcing sound. What was once represented as True Arch Technology on the screen is now just a blob/blip that may or may not even really be in the water column. So basically I made a $6k investment in Lowrance units to include network cables and accessory transducers etc... have only had those products a little over six months now... and Lowrance support team had me jumping through hoops just to get RMA numbers for each unit so I can send them to the techs for a bench test. Was then told that "THEN AND ONLY THEN" if they don't pass a battery of trouble shooting tests performed on the internal electrical components... THAT I WOULD BE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE REFURBISHED UNITS SENT BACK TO ME. That's when I about went ballistic!!! 180 days and 6k of hard earned cash that took me a long ass time to save up and you may send me some refurb. units as replacement that are... "just as good as new!" I asked him... have you ever messed up your cell phone and had to send it back to tech support? Then they send you back... not your fixed original phone... but a refurb. that never fails to have some kind of hidden glitch that was never properly fixed in the first place and eventually performs worse than the one that was replaced. How about I sell you a brand new car... 3 months down the road the brand new engine blows up from a faulty head gasket... I say don't worry I'm gonna make this right... well get it back on the road in no time. I'm gonna put in this new motor for you.... we recently finished up the rebuilt on it... it had 350k miles on it before we got ahold of it.... not to worry though... IT'LL RUN JUST AS GOOD AS NEW!!! Asked tech support.... "you think you'd be ok if I did that to you?" a few seconds of silence passed... before he could even answer I said, "NOPE, I DIDN"T THINK SO!!!"



I recorded this video with my phone last weekend hoping it will assist Lowrance in isolating the fault. Also, spoke to tech's manager who'd been with the company over 12 years and "has never heard or seen, in his entire career, a problem of same the magnitude I was describing... especially one involving all 3 units at different locations on the boat... that's a new one to me!
 
Scooby. Here's my suggestion. Try to get to a BASS or FLW event where the professional techs are working. Find someway to get those guys to check it out. These are the guys out in the field dealing with real issues everyday. The guys in the corporate office are not experienced obviously.
 
Wow! Now I know why a lot of the guides around here are running Birds. Through the years I have run both brands. I am very disappointed with Lowrance at this time. The first time I took my new units out on the water the console unit locked up and wouldnt do anything. I called Lowrance and the tech had me go through a series of things; and the unit was still locked up. He told me to send the unit back. He then told me that at the time they didnt have any HDS9 GEN2 Touches anywhere. He said I would have to wait till some new ones arrived(couldn't give me a date). He said my other option was to upgrade to a GEN 3 unit for 675.00. I told him that I dont think so that they should just send me one. I wished that I hadn't of purchased Lowrance units. IMO- I think Lowrance has some deep issues with their product and their techs. I think the techs have a list in font of them to troubleshoot from-no experience. However; the 2 Senior techs I have talked to seem to know know their game. Very disappointed in Lowrance at this time. I have brand new units and wish I could get my money back!
 
Like Humminbird never has any problems.......................I will save you the stories: and I am a certified dealer for both as well as Garmin. If it is electronic.......sooner or later there are going to be problems. How the technical staff addresses the issue is the only difference. I have been between a customer and tech representatives from both sides and sometimes one does better than the other. If you are not happy with what they offer, keep pushing until you get the result you deserve. Get the people you bought the units from involved.
 
Creek Chub, I'm glad that you mentioned that. I guess it was three weeks ago. I went to BPS in Lawrenceville, GA for the annual Spring Fishing Sale. It was during that visit that I in fact ran into not one but two Lowrance reps. The first one that I described my issue to, in great detail, said that this problem must be from operator error and that "like all new toys people first get... we push all kinds of buttons and don't realize exactly what we're doing!" He said, "you just need to perform a default reset!" I'll be the first to tell anyone that by no means am I an expert of any kind in any field especially sonar, but ain't no way in hell this is due to operator error!!! I'm pretty sure he was upset that I called out his company in front of several potential buyers and made it well known that I spent as much money and have zero performance or satisfaction rating to show for it!
The second rep that I came across, I showed him a video of how my units were performing and sounding. He immediately said that they shouldn't be doing that and to email him the video. So I did and he replied "that he sent my video to Corp. HQ and to the Southeast Regional Manager of Tech. Support and someone from Lowrance would be contacting me very soon!" Needless to say, I'm still waiting to hear from someone. I've been trying to post a video on here for you guys but the file it too large. Hopefully, I can compress the video and make it work!
 
Creek Chub, I'm glad that you mentioned that. I guess it was three weeks ago. I went to BPS in Lawrenceville, GA for the annual Spring Fishing Sale. It was during that visit that I in fact ran into not one but two Lowrance reps. The first one that I described my issue to, in great detail, said that this problem must be from operator error and that "like all new toys people first get... we push all kinds of buttons and don't realize exactly what we're doing!" He said, "you just need to perform a default reset!" I'll be the first to tell anyone that by no means am I an expert of any kind in any field especially sonar, but ain't no way in hell this is due to operator error!!! I'm pretty sure he was upset that I called out his company in front of several potential buyers and made it well known that I spent as much money and have zero performance or satisfaction rating to show for it!
The second rep that I came across, I showed him a video of how my units were performing and sounding. He immediately said that they shouldn't be doing that and to email him the video. So I did and he replied "that he sent my video to Corp. HQ and to the Southeast Regional Manager of Tech. Support and someone from Lowrance would be contacting me very soon!" Needless to say, I'm still waiting to hear from someone. I've been trying to post a video on here for you guys but the file it too large. Hopefully, I can compress the video and make it work!
 
What year and model boat? When you epoxied the new transducer in did you place something heavy on it to make sure no air bubbles developed between the transducer and the hull while it was curing? Just trying to think of what all it could be.
 
2016 Ranger and everything... power cables, Ethernet, and transducers were installed by the dealer. Never had a single issue either unit, all sonar returns looked crisp and both units worked great, wasn't until I bought my last unit that I began see/hearing the problem. All units less than 7 months old and all bought brand new from bps and cabela's
 
I gave up on mounting the transducer inside the hull on my Skeeter. After taking everything out of the back of the boat for the second time; I found a Hummingbird puck epoxied inside the hull about 3 in. from the drain plug. This looked like a factory installed puck because it was set down in the hull about 1/2 an in. I tried to remove the transducer but it looked as if it would be trouble. I then put some water in the back of the boat and put my transducer beside the puck that was already there. I set a sandbag on top of it and went to the lake. I got a fair reading that time. I started moving the transducer around but never got a reading that I was satisfied with. I decided to mount the transducer outside on the back of the boat. There was one place, about 4" wide on the second step; right of the pad and about 3" from a planing strake, and thats where I mounted it. I was afraid that it would'nt work there; but I did'nt have another choice. I could'nt be happier. It picks up very clearly and will pick up running 50 mph.
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Here's the thing Hunter. I never had a single performance issue and never heard a peep from any of my transducers prior to installing my latest unit (HDS7 GEN3). It was only after literally performing a direct "plug and play" unit for unit swap at the console that my sonar performance problems began!!! Originally had the 7 Gen2 Touch with Structure Bundle, which I purchased from BPS, installed by the Lowrance approved installer at the boat dealership when I bought the boat... all aspects and sonar performance of both HDS Units (also have an HDS9 GEN3 at the bow), in my opinion, were operating at 100%... I was completely satisfied with my purchase. Then I bought another 7, from Cabela's, only this one was a GEN3 because I wanted "CHIRP" at the console too. This was EXACTLY what I did... turned off boat's main power breaker and cut all power to the boat... unplugged all dealership installed cables(power, Ethernet, 83/200, LSS-2) from unit and removed GEN2, head unit only, from gimble bracket mounted on console... left all prior existing dealership installed cables and transducers which never presented a single issue at any point during prior use in the boat... used those same existing cables and simply plugged each one in to it's corresponding port on the back of the new GEN3... then secured GEN3 in old gimble bracket already mounted on the console... boom... straight up "plug and play" swap out! Flipped on boat's main power breaker and powered up new GEN3 7 for the very first time... then upgraded the unit's software to most current version available at that time (2.0) directly off the Lowrance website using the unit's internal wifi. updating the unit's software to the most current version is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED and RECOMMENDED according to the HDS Operating Manual pg. 6 and again on pg. 49 and again on pg. 50 of the HDS Installation Manual... update was completed and at no time during the update did the internet connection become disconnected or disrupted... update was successful and GEN3 unit restarted on it's own as described in the manual... then performed and successfully completed the unit's initial setup wizard all while following along step by step with the HDS manual... quickly ran through some of the unit's features after the initial setup... so far all unit's features performed nicely as advertised, in my opinion... powered unit off... cut main power to boat... took boat out on the Chick the following day... was out on lake for a good part of the day and units were pointing out honey holes like a champ... then without warning I start to hear a slight tick tick tick tick... called tech support... they say don't worry that's normal... over time sound intensifies and sonar performance drops off as well but not just on new GEN3 7... now like some sort of crazy HDS virus both GEN2 7 and GEN3 9 begin having the same problem as GEN3 7... now all 3 of my units basically junk in my opinion!!! LOWRANCE SUPPORT BETTER STEP UP TO THE PLATE ON THIS ONE AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT... but I have a gut feeling that they'll say it's because of an improper installation or due to an operator error... only because I've invested nearly $6,000 cash, which took me over 2yrs to save, on my Lowrance electronics and that would be my luck if they said, "sorry that's not covered by the warranty... you're S.O.L" To be honest, if that happens, I'll pretty much be devastated! Not really sure what I'd do as far as units go... guess I'd just have to fish the bank for the next few years!
 

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