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I am not trying to give someone the right or idea to jump up on a soap box. Nor am I trying to get a negative thread started. I am posting this just for your right to know and to encourage fishermen to take precautions to protect your fish you intend to release.

I was there at the CF ramp at the TX weigh-in. After everyone left I walked out onto the docks and saw a bass against the edge of the bank.. I tried to revive and set it free but had no good results with my efforts. I got to looking and found two more bass that had given up the will to survive. This is to be expected when big bass are hauled in low water “live”wells without equipment to assist in the fish’s survival. I have seen wells that suck dry when the boat is running if you do not plug the water intake. This will kill bass to run with them bouncing in a dry live well.

One of the parts of this story that disturbs me is that I bet someone collected money off these fish and then the fish died.

I thought about it and decided to not let the fish go to waste so I pulled a Jmax. You know take a fish that has recently met it’s demise and eat it. I might even use his recipe.

One of these guys was for sure in the running as Big Fish. I am not going to revel the weight of the big fish. I would not want to link it to any certain TX fisherman.

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I have read several posts here on CFF about tournament mortality in the past, percentages, possible causes, and preventative measures...so I have learned there are always some fish that don't make it. Seeing these pics illustrates that it occurs right here at home and hopefully will increase conservational awareness for those unaware of it.

Thanks for the post LL - I hope they make a nice dinner.

-David
 
I don't know about the rest of you all, or tournament anglers, but when I catch a bass, and I take it out of the water for more than a few mins, I will take my time to revive the fish, and make sure that it's ready to go. There are several guys that I know at Sloppy Floyd that fish around the areas that I fish, and we both ask one another if we notice any fish that we release floating around. Thus far, it seems that we have had great success in releasing our bass and them living.

I hope that seeing those three bass right there will make each angler that catches bass to take more care in releasing their bass, and take more care in their handling and storage of bass. Do whatever you can to make sure that their living quarters and water is clean and as good for them as possible. :)
 
polo-dog - 2/10/2007 9:10 PM

Thanks LL, what do you think the big one weighed?

Big-un, Let's say that if I had caught it I may be in the HOF files about now.

One thing that does not please me is the way that the big fish was scared up and red. You can see in the pics that it's lower gill plates, belly, lower fins and tail had scrapes all over them as if they had been scratched up by wires or something. I have seen bass like this in the spring after fanning beds but it was strange to see it this time of the year. Makes you wonder how this one got in that condition when the others were clean.
 
For me to only find three fish makes it better knowing that there were 64 boats in that TX and most had fish brought to the ramp. Hundreds survived thanks to the cold water. In the summer temps I would hate to think how many bass would be floundering at the waters edge. Penelties for fish that do not survive sure would help the cause. An official of each TX should watch the release to insure that all fish are properly revived and swim away.
That act would help lower the mortality rate and leave a better impression of TX anglers to the community.
 
Thanks for the post LL. I agree with Dhaun about this issue. I've mentioned it in other posts and so have many others, and hopefully it has made some impact. The fact that it was cold out has for sure cut down on mortality.

nwgabassmaster, it's good that you guys are taking precautions but I just wanted to be sure that you know if a bass dies it sinks, not floats. I would say the ones that LL found were on the verge of death and still making it to the top. There were probably several more than didn't make it that are on the bottom of the lake. The only way to really determine morality is to send divers down as some of the clubs and government agencys have done.
 
I AGREE LL TOURNAMENT HOLDERS SHOULD MAKE SURE THESE FISH ARE HEALTHY AND SWIMMING BEFORE THEY ARE AWAREDED ANY THING! SAD IS THE PERFECT WORD' SO ANY BODY THAT HOLDS ANY TOUR PLEASE STEP UP AND IMPLAMENT THIS NEW POLICY AND HELP SAVE OUR FISH!!!!! AS LL SAID I'M NOT GETTING ON THE SOAP BOX, BUT LET'S STOP AND THINK FOR OUR FISHERYS AND FUTURE.emoWorthy
 
Just to throw this out there, which do you guys think is a worse problem. Fish mortality at Tx's or short fish being kept (bass under 15 inch and crappie under 10). I do believe for the most part that Tx fisherman are aware of handling and taking care of the catch. Who knows what happened to those three fish. They could have been hooked deep unintentional. I think everyone on here has hooked a fish deep and it died. Its hard to control it. Out of 64 boats (120+ fishermen), its not that devasting. Trust me, I take pride in doing everything in my power to take care of my catch and hate to see big fish like that die. There are more people out there than you think keeping fish like this and taking them home for dinner. It wasn't on the Chick, but last time I went to Guntersville a couple of guys were showing off some toads at the ramp. They put them back in the livewell and I am sure home for dinner. Made my skin crawl.
 
Maybe our friends at Sportsmans Warehouse could do a little class on how to use a livewell. You would be surprised how many people can catch fish but not know how to operate the timer or aerator on there livewell. Like LL said, some people just open the plug and go.
 
FYI... creel limits are set based upon what biologists believe can be "harvested," not based upon what can be "caught and released." In other words, if you believe TWRA biologists, bass anglers could kill every one of their 5-fish limit and not hurt the fishery.

Do I support that... no I don't. But is tournament mortality the bass fishery death knell that many seem to think it is? Probably not...

At risk of being banned from CFF, I share a column I wrote in 1993... in the last 13 years my attitude has changed somewhat... but it has changed because of peer pressure, not because of biology. If you want to do some reading, here is just a little different take on the situation:

OUTDOORS ... APRIL 22, 1993 ... RICHARD H. SIMMS - Something real strange happened to me the other day. I caught an eight-pound bass.
Actually it was 7-pounds, 14-ounces--but in fisherspeak, that's an eight-pounder. But that wasn't the strange thing. Unusual, yes--strange, no. I don't catch a lot of big bass--"big" meaning 5-pounds-plus. Once, maybe twice a year, I'll break the 5-pound barrier.
So I must admit that when I carried the fish into a boat dock to weigh, my cap fit pretty tight and my chest was probably swelled just a tad more than normal. The big red needle settled just shy of the eight-pound mark and the folks in the boat dock "oohed" and "aahed."
A little lady taking care of the place that morning asked, "are you gonna mount it or you gonna let it go?" Quite respectfully I answered, "No mam. I'm going to eat it."
There was an audible gasp from the gallery. The boat dock lady's eyes got real big and wide, and one guy reached for his wallet and said, "I'll give you 50 dollars for that fish right now," presumably to take it and have it mounted.
I politely said, "I'm sorry sir. That's illegal." The wildlife lawmen frown upon the commercial trade of game fish.
The boat dock lady tried to stay composed, not wanting to overly belittle her customer (me). She stared at the big bass I was holding, shook her head just slightly and said, "I sure hate to see you eat a fish like that, but I guess you've hauled it around too long to turn it loose."
She was correct. Survival rates are extremely poor for any fish unless it's released immediately. But the fact of the matter is, release had never been a serious consideration.
I fished hard this past weekend. Escaping from work and responsibility was the primary motivation. But putting some fish in the freezer was a real close second.
But as I left that boat dock Saturday morning, I felt anything but good. The three or four folks in there, including the very kind boat dock lady herself, made me feel like I was just one small notch above a poacher.
If I was going to kill the fish and mount it as a trophy, that would have been okay. But to eat it was downright sacrilegious.
That's when I realized something real strange is going on out there in the world. If a man goes deer hunting and kills a very small deer, he's often made to feel somewhat foolish. Shoot a prized buck that field dresses 160 pounds and said hunter is the king of the mountain.
Capture a massive catfish that takes two men to haul over the gunwale of the boat and you're suddenly a celebrity. Turkey hunters and goose hunters alike are judged in direct proportion to the size of the game they kill. A 15-pound goose or a 20-pound gobbler earns the successful hunter years of praise. On occasion those creatures are mounted as trophies, but most often the flesh goes directly to the dinner table. Clearly, their death is expected and accepted. But not so with the largemouth bass. This grand and glorious creature has been placed on a pedestal high above all other game species. The catch-and-release craze has reached an almost religious fervor. To kill, and eat, a big bass is taboo.
"It depends upon what people want," says TWRA Fisheries Biologist Anders Myhr. "There's nothing wrong with catching a big bass and eating it. But the competitive nature of the sport has created a different philosophy," he explains. "My dad was a big fisherman, and he raised me to big a fishermen and we didn't have that philosophy. And I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy, but it's out there."
There's an excellent chance that someone caught, and released, the very fish I recaptured Saturday morning. It had a deformed jaw bone, most likely caused by a hook in days gone by.
And I've written in this column, the compelling story of Charlie Duggan who captured, tagged, and released a six-pound bass. Then, one year later, Charlie got the joy of watching his young son capture the exact same tagged bass.
As I wrote at the time, "If you belong to the Church of Catch & Release, that's one powerful testimonial."
But Charlie still takes a knife to the occasional "hawg" bass, as do I. And we shouldn't be made to feel ashamed for doing so. Bass, along with all other well-managed resources, are "renewable" resources. Self-sustaining populations that can support regulated, reasonable harvest. Those of us who wish to do so, legally and ethically--for fun or for food, should be able to do so without fear of ridicule.
In other words, give those of us who enjoy a few sumptuous big bass filets a break.
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I released fish yesterday at that Tx. Everyone was walking down on that muddy bank behind the scales and the water was not 6" deep for 10 yards. In other words, unless you tossed your fish out they were laying over in water too shallow to swim in. I rescued a smallmouth and two LMs when I released my fish. I am not sure that contributed to the death of the fish you found, but it would be nice to have deeper water closer to the scales. BTW- most serious fishermen take care of their Tx creel. Yesterday was sooo cold, I would say most of those guys were serious fishermen!
 
Richard, that article right there is a great one. Personally, I feel no shame in keeping a few well earned bass. Since the first of the year, I could have kept several bass to eat. More often, though, I only catch one a day at Sloppy Floyd, and to be honest, filleting one fish in this kind of weather isn't nearly as fun as watching the bass swim away.

I was raised, though, to believe that a bass over 5 lbs. isn't nearly as tasty as bass under that weight limit. Being raised that way, I have experienced both sides of the coin, and I have to agree. Therefore, more times than not, if I am going to keep a bass, it will be under 5 lbs. Anything over will be returned.

However, I see no problem with anyone keeping any bass, crappie, striper, etc., that they want to keep, as long as it falls within the guidelines set forth by the authorities. :)
 
Richard I agree with article totally. I see nothing wrong with keeping legal bass if you decide you want to do it. I think that catch and immediate release has made fishing better for most folks on the lake. The thing that I think LL, churley and some other guys pointed out is that there seemed to be several fish that might as well have been eaten because they sure didn't live to fight another day.

I don't want to start a controversy or step on anyone's toes but I have some things that I want to mention and see if you folks think I am way off base.

In the month of March on the CFF calendar we have 14 TX listed, and that is just the ones we KNOW about. I'm sure there are many more that we don't have listed. Only 2 of those are CFF. This one yesterday had 64 boats in it. How many Saturdays is the lake actually NOT being used for various TX? How many TX on a lake is too many in any given month or week? How much pressure will the lake take?

We talk about catch and release but isn't it true that in a lot of TX that fish are riding around for hours before some of them are culled and tossed back? How many of those actually survive? Then assuming that only half of the 64 boats yesterday weighed in a limit, that comes out to 160 fish, many of which might not survive the weigh in, waiting for weigh in, picture taking and so on. This problem increases in the spring and summer months. If we multiply those deaths by the number of TX that are going on how many fish are killed in a month? How does this affect the fishery?

I ask these questions not because I am opposed to the idea of TX on the lake, but because I think there is sense to all things and a resource can only be pushed so far before it begins to break down. How far is too far? How many TX can a lake support before the fishing becomes harder for everyone, and by that I mean folks that are just out fishing because they enjoy it and have no need to compete?

Money has never been an issue in a CFF event but what about the other clubs that are putting up bigger and bigger payouts? How many of those bigger payouts encourage more and more people from further and further away to come and compete in our waters? How badly do we want to put more and more pressure on our fishing resources here, because if we do know anything, we know that money, or the chance of winning some, brings a lot of attention. CFF has always been low key, friendly, and more of a family type TX, where everyone knows the other person and is willing to share tips, info and entertain ideas about conservation, and I think the primary reason is no one is going for a big "prize" on CFF.

Finally I don't have a solution but I hope we can discuss it and maybe come up with ideas. The fact is with all the TX that are going on if we aren't careful it will be like some of the lakes up north and out west where only a certain number of TX are allowed on a given lake at a given time, and even then with large permit fees. How can we prevent this? How can we prevent the fish mortality in TXs?

Like I said, this isn't directed at anyone in particular. This is just to open up a dialog and see where it goes.
 

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