US Gov't Violating Constitution

[Sniperchoke]

The State department has recently released a list of Mosques that we are building with tax payer dollars in other countries like Pakistan, Indonesia, the Maldives etc.. etc.. I wonder what part of seperation of Church and State they do not understand. Outcaster if you are a purest then we will finally agree on something.

 

[Bprice]

Not saying you are wrong, but what are your sources, etc...

 

[Bfish]

Bprice - 8/24/2010 4:05 PM

Not saying you are wrong, but what are your sources, etc...

I was wondering the same thing. I was also wondering context, ie is a community center considered a "mosque"? Are they building temporary shelters used for worship, in areas where bombs have destroyed their traditional places of worship, etc.

 

[SpurHunter]

I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Bprice - 8/24/2010 4:05 PM

Not saying you are wrong, but what are your sources, etc...

The Washington Times reports:

In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.

 

[Guest]

Sniperchoke - 8/24/2010 6:41 PM

Bprice - 8/24/2010 4:05 PM

Not saying you are wrong, but what are your sources, etc...

The Washington Times reports:

In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.

Mighty quiet now ain't they Snipe!

 

[Sniperchoke]

This proves most of our foreign aid is going to majority muslim countries. You guys want me to keep digging?

Top 20 Benefiting Countries (Obligated Program Funds) for FY 2009 & FY 2010 thru 3/31 USAID Budget
Country FY 2009 FY 2010
1 Afghanistan 1,459,560,810 199,428,308
2 Pakistan 1,084,746,818 31,013,207
3 West Bank/Gaza 798,497,531 76,407,855
4 Egypt 551,255,600 20,700,790
5 Haiti 224,209,944 334,250,663
6 Kenya 515,238,368 11,852,784
7 Jordan 515,749,676 336,398
8 Sudan 467,960,516 11,150,663
9 Georgia 331,343,446 132,246,394
10 Iraq 443,519,655 11,254,375
11 Ethiopia 427,743,004 22,569,903
12 South Africa Republic 324,356,642 69,150
13 Nigeria 290,736,554 924,000
14 Uganda 273,186,427 15,348,454
15 Tanzania 204,370,738 43,714,951
16 Colombia 225,890,663 8,964,989
17 Indonesia 177,123,304 24,333,882
18 Zambia 182,166,338 8,668,685
19 Mozambique 178,096,420 1,994,016
20 Liberia 138,861,346 26,565,363

 

[Bfish]

SpurHunter - 8/24/2010 4:59 PM

I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

It looks like this is the case.

 

[Bprice]

Thanks for clip SC

 

[outcaster]

Really diggin deep there! lol

 

[Sniperchoke]

Bfish - 8/24/2010 7:21 PM

SpurHunter - 8/24/2010 4:59 PM

I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

It looks like this is the case.

So it is OK in your opinion to use our tax dollars to build/rebuild places of religious worship. What happened to adhering to the Constitution.

 

[Bfish]

Sniperchoke - 8/24/2010 8:24 PM

Bfish - 8/24/2010 7:21 PM

SpurHunter - 8/24/2010 4:59 PM

I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

It looks like this is the case.

So it is OK in your opinion to use our tax dollars to build/rebuild places of religious worship. What happened to adhering to the Constitution.

Are you asking me, or Spurhunter?

 

[beetlespin]

The good news is that the money spent in 2010 is way less than what was spent in 2009 for almost every country.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Bfish - 8/24/2010 8:48 PM

Sniperchoke - 8/24/2010 8:24 PM

Bfish - 8/24/2010 7:21 PM

SpurHunter - 8/24/2010 4:59 PM

I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

It looks like this is the case.

So it is OK in your opinion to use our tax dollars to build/rebuild places of religious worship. What happened to adhering to the Constitution.

Are you asking me, or Spurhunter?

Both????????

 

[SpurHunter]

Sniperchoke - 8/24/2010 8:24 PM

Bfish - 8/24/2010 7:21 PM

SpurHunter - 8/24/2010 4:59 PM I agree, if they are "rebuilding" a location that was destroyed by colateral damage, thats a different ballgame.

It looks like this is the case.

So it is OK in your opinion to use our tax dollars to build/rebuild places of religious worship. What happened to adhering to the Constitution.

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"If" we destroyed it via collateral damage, yes, if we targeted it as a terrorist hideout, no. Do we know what the details of these examples are?</p>

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[Sniperchoke]

In my research I have found 4 in Fallujah Iraq that we may have destroyed. I have also found 1. Tanzania 12th century Kizimkazi Mosque that we did not destroy. 2. Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque Cairo, Egypt that we did not destroy. 3. Hala Sultan Tekke Mosque in Lanarca located on the Island of Cyprus that we did not destroy. I believe there are more just need a little more time searching.

 

[Guest]

Maybe I am missing something here. SC's first example of proof was talking about money we paid out for mosques in Tanzania and Egypt. Correct me if I am wrong but we are not causing any collateral damage in these two examples are we. Reading comprehension would go quite a ways here I think.
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[Possum]

Here is the thing. The government does things unconstitutional all the time. Some could argue not allowing gays to marry is unconstitutional because there are economic advantages to being married. Giving vouchers to kids to go to religious based schools could be viewed as unconstitutional, and so on. We have a system of checks and balances. It is up to the supreme court to step in and rule something unconstitutional. Basically congress and the President can do whatever. Prime example of this was in 94 when the new Republican congress passed line item veto. When Clinton used it in his second term it was struck down by the supreme court.

 

[Sniperchoke]

What happened to everyone standing up for the constitution for the Mosque at ground zero? There have to be some absolutes. Funny how some can justify anything just because their party skews their vision.

 

[Possum]

Look at prayer in school. Most conservatives want prayer in public, government ran schools. Supreme court ruled it is a violation of the first amendment to do so. I agree with the ruling although I do not abide by it. Second amendment clearly states Americans have the right to bear arms. However most liberals want to restrict or do away with gun ownership. Danger with prayer in school is not in the upper grades, in my opinion it is in the lower. If I tell a first grader to stand face Mecca and pray to Alha they are going to do it. Snip I have to agree with you on this one 100%. Both are guilty as charged.