Justfishin
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Kens dates look good we could change the one to a days.
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I do agree with Jeremy in that we do need to do a better job of measuring " questionable" fish.
I have thought about getting one of those "bike flags" for us to use on the blast off boat so every one know who and where.
I have thought about getting one of those "bike flags" for us to use on the blast off boat so every one know who and where.
elwestb
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I'm working on on all of this! I'm just old and slow! I don't have any dates of other Tx. Trails but do any of you see any date conflicts?
As for the other list of suggestions my comments and opinions are below.
1) No locking thru. I Agree!
2) No drops I Agree!
3) Must fish all tournaments to win AOY ... or have the highest total points.
4) Each boat is to idle past the blast off boat one at a time with wells open ... or already have had the live wells checked.
5) Blast off boat also checks boats back in at the no wake zone at the designated time.
6) Smallest fish in the bag goes on the board. All small mouth and spots are measured (unless its obviously a keeper) If an angler's fish measures short on whatever board we have
at the weigh in but they say it measures on their board they go get their board and if said board is straight and flat and the fish measures on their's then its a good fish. (since
we don't have a specific board listed in our rules. I agree!
7) We should really consider using the wolftever ramp on chic. (I know we'd need the permit) It sets up perfectly for a blast off, has a huge-well lit parking lot that is easy to
maneuver trucks and trailers in, we have multiple locations to set up the weight-in, and other than anglers there is no one else there in morning and no other tourney trails use
it.
I hate that damn steep-ass ramp but if you guys want to use it, so be it! There are several other clubs that do use Wolftever often. I suppose I would rather go there than to the Dam!
There were complaints about Tx.'s being too close together and too many night events. But what do you do? Cut the amount of events to spread them out? I don't really like that either. These schedules all have five night events just like we have been doing. I don't think five is too many. I think we need about seven day day events and the five nights. Otherwise are you suggesting at going to six day Tx.'s and four nights? I really think that twelve events, seven day and five nights is good number for us. I also understand a few of the guys don't like the night events regardless and are not going to fish them. That's there choice!
I do not really care if we make life jackets a requirement or not I can go either way. I don't usually ware mine during warm months even though I probably should.
Also several others have made comments that they were not going to fish hot day day events. That is the main reason that I am against changing the hours to 3 pm simply because of the hot days.
I am against using the Holly Circle ramp. Especially for any winter time or low water event. Only if we just have no other choice.
I would be against adding any Sunday events. Too many people wanting to go to Church and I think it would be very confusing to the CFF Trail participants. As stated before some think we have too many events now with out adding Sunday events.
I am not a fan of "Trailer Events" either. There is usually way too much finger pointing, complaining, overall bitching and questions afterwards. Just my experience and opinion!
I think Ken has a good idea about the long pole bike flag for the blast off boat. I'm not sure how we could mount or attach it to the different boats but I do like that idea.
As for the other list of suggestions my comments and opinions are below.
1) No locking thru. I Agree!
2) No drops I Agree!
3) Must fish all tournaments to win AOY ... or have the highest total points.
4) Each boat is to idle past the blast off boat one at a time with wells open ... or already have had the live wells checked.
5) Blast off boat also checks boats back in at the no wake zone at the designated time.
6) Smallest fish in the bag goes on the board. All small mouth and spots are measured (unless its obviously a keeper) If an angler's fish measures short on whatever board we have
at the weigh in but they say it measures on their board they go get their board and if said board is straight and flat and the fish measures on their's then its a good fish. (since
we don't have a specific board listed in our rules. I agree!
7) We should really consider using the wolftever ramp on chic. (I know we'd need the permit) It sets up perfectly for a blast off, has a huge-well lit parking lot that is easy to
maneuver trucks and trailers in, we have multiple locations to set up the weight-in, and other than anglers there is no one else there in morning and no other tourney trails use
it.
I hate that damn steep-ass ramp but if you guys want to use it, so be it! There are several other clubs that do use Wolftever often. I suppose I would rather go there than to the Dam!
There were complaints about Tx.'s being too close together and too many night events. But what do you do? Cut the amount of events to spread them out? I don't really like that either. These schedules all have five night events just like we have been doing. I don't think five is too many. I think we need about seven day day events and the five nights. Otherwise are you suggesting at going to six day Tx.'s and four nights? I really think that twelve events, seven day and five nights is good number for us. I also understand a few of the guys don't like the night events regardless and are not going to fish them. That's there choice!
I do not really care if we make life jackets a requirement or not I can go either way. I don't usually ware mine during warm months even though I probably should.
Also several others have made comments that they were not going to fish hot day day events. That is the main reason that I am against changing the hours to 3 pm simply because of the hot days.
I am against using the Holly Circle ramp. Especially for any winter time or low water event. Only if we just have no other choice.
I would be against adding any Sunday events. Too many people wanting to go to Church and I think it would be very confusing to the CFF Trail participants. As stated before some think we have too many events now with out adding Sunday events.
I am not a fan of "Trailer Events" either. There is usually way too much finger pointing, complaining, overall bitching and questions afterwards. Just my experience and opinion!
I think Ken has a good idea about the long pole bike flag for the blast off boat. I'm not sure how we could mount or attach it to the different boats but I do like that idea.
The dates I put in don’t conflict with the CBA tax or any big tax out of Dayton. I agree if we use holly circle it would have to be at full pool ... I just think scheduling CFP is going to be a pain. I had proposed 8 day tax and 5 night (mark suggested changing one to days that would be 9 and 4 ... .. an extra hour or 2 isn’t going to make that much difference in the heat.
davisjeremy1981
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We have to warry of several ramps when the water is down....holly circle is not steep enough...chesterfrost is not long enough....the dam and wolftever are steep but good deep water ramps however you can't get to the dock at wolftever when the water is all the way down. So that leaves us with harrison bay or the dam when the water is down on chic.
For the blast off flag. As long as we have it on a piece of pvc or something that will fit in a standard seat post hole we should be good there. Even better would be to find a collapsible expanding rod, like a tent support rod, that can be easily stowed away.
As far as what was said about the number of tourneys or the spacing or the number of nite tourneys I tried to find a middle ground with my schedule. I cut the number of tourneys but only by a few. I dropped 2 day and 2 nite tx's which also allowed us to space the tx's out a little more. Now i know alot of people would fish every day if their schedule allowed but if we are losing participation in the CFF because we have do many tx's or they are to close together that IS something we should consider addressing. There are plenty of other tx trails and single day tx's on chic to satisfy the people that want to fish a tx every weekend if they chose.
The Sunday idea was just strictly a dog fight idea to raise extra money for the classic and AOY. People who go to church on Sundays can go. It would not have anything to do with the CFF points. We could do one a month, making sure we don't over lap with the Dream Chasers trail or any other possible Sunday tx's. This would also allow us to have more "CFF" type tx's while cutting a few from our normal sat schedule and thus killing two birds with one stone. We can make sure we don't lose participation on the main CFF trail because we are fishing to many tx's and we can satisfy those that want to fish everyday they can because we are giving them another tx option. It would also give people who are interested in fishing the CFF's, but dont have the required posts, and opportunity to come out, meet people, see what we're about. It would make it easier to give potential new members a taste and peek their interest.
For the blast off flag. As long as we have it on a piece of pvc or something that will fit in a standard seat post hole we should be good there. Even better would be to find a collapsible expanding rod, like a tent support rod, that can be easily stowed away.
As far as what was said about the number of tourneys or the spacing or the number of nite tourneys I tried to find a middle ground with my schedule. I cut the number of tourneys but only by a few. I dropped 2 day and 2 nite tx's which also allowed us to space the tx's out a little more. Now i know alot of people would fish every day if their schedule allowed but if we are losing participation in the CFF because we have do many tx's or they are to close together that IS something we should consider addressing. There are plenty of other tx trails and single day tx's on chic to satisfy the people that want to fish a tx every weekend if they chose.
The Sunday idea was just strictly a dog fight idea to raise extra money for the classic and AOY. People who go to church on Sundays can go. It would not have anything to do with the CFF points. We could do one a month, making sure we don't over lap with the Dream Chasers trail or any other possible Sunday tx's. This would also allow us to have more "CFF" type tx's while cutting a few from our normal sat schedule and thus killing two birds with one stone. We can make sure we don't lose participation on the main CFF trail because we are fishing to many tx's and we can satisfy those that want to fish everyday they can because we are giving them another tx option. It would also give people who are interested in fishing the CFF's, but dont have the required posts, and opportunity to come out, meet people, see what we're about. It would make it easier to give potential new members a taste and peek their interest.
Justfishin
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I agree with Earl on everything but the holly circle ramp is better in the winter. You just have to stay in the channel till you get past the bridge. I hate going to the dam but we will do what ever we have to.
davisjeremy1981
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Has anyone heard from patrick or dusty? Need their input on the schedules and proposed rule changes. We need to get something nailed down soon guys.
Dropshot
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I have been tied up with work (staff Covid etc.) and estate issues, among other things. As Earl mentioned, I sent a request for dates to the powers of approval but had not heard back. I have now resent.
Date wise, my only concern is around holidays. Being that 2/14 is Valentines I would say no, because I like sleeping in the house.
As for the rules, no matter what we do, we have learned that our fisherman are more like whiny housewives than men in their constant bitching and complaining.
Rulewise:
I am all for no drops.
I am good with live well checks before tourneys. Go back to tying the ribbon around the trolling motor.
I am good with moving all or some chick tournys to the DAM (we don't have to worry about scheduling at that point), if we continue to have issues with CFP and the others. I also like Holly Circle, but only at full pool.
I also like the trailer tournaments, because they allow everyone to put in wherever they want on a specific lake/river. In the case of Chick, give anglers an option of the following ramps: CFP, HBSP, Wolftever, Holly Circle with a central weigh-in area. For Nick, it would be similar.
My thought is to get dates published, but leave off ramps for the time being.
Several think we need to tighten down on weigh-ins as far as measuring fish. I am good with that as well. It has never been worried about too much in the past due to the type of tournament we were trying to hold, but it seems to have become more cutthroat the past few years and the shenanigans seem to have increased by certain teams/anglers.
I don't agree with lengthening tournaments outside of the classic, unless you are going to start earlier. When we started the CFF trail one of the ideas of it was that you were not on the lake all day or night so you could get home and be with family, etc., or if someone brought their younger child they would not be on the water all day.
I would like to see early morning tournaments when it gets hot. One of the most popular things we did in FOCBA and at the end of Mid-South was go 5am to Noon. Get in early, get home early afternoon. I know everyone preaches safe light, but we fish night tournaments in the dark.
Remember to use HBSP or Wolftever not only requires a permit, but also liability insurance, that a few years ago was in the $800-$1000 range for 10 tournaments. My other issue with Wolftever it that more break-ins and thefts seem to occur there than at other primary ramps.
Date wise, my only concern is around holidays. Being that 2/14 is Valentines I would say no, because I like sleeping in the house.
As for the rules, no matter what we do, we have learned that our fisherman are more like whiny housewives than men in their constant bitching and complaining.
Rulewise:
I am all for no drops.
I am good with live well checks before tourneys. Go back to tying the ribbon around the trolling motor.
I am good with moving all or some chick tournys to the DAM (we don't have to worry about scheduling at that point), if we continue to have issues with CFP and the others. I also like Holly Circle, but only at full pool.
I also like the trailer tournaments, because they allow everyone to put in wherever they want on a specific lake/river. In the case of Chick, give anglers an option of the following ramps: CFP, HBSP, Wolftever, Holly Circle with a central weigh-in area. For Nick, it would be similar.
My thought is to get dates published, but leave off ramps for the time being.
Several think we need to tighten down on weigh-ins as far as measuring fish. I am good with that as well. It has never been worried about too much in the past due to the type of tournament we were trying to hold, but it seems to have become more cutthroat the past few years and the shenanigans seem to have increased by certain teams/anglers.
I don't agree with lengthening tournaments outside of the classic, unless you are going to start earlier. When we started the CFF trail one of the ideas of it was that you were not on the lake all day or night so you could get home and be with family, etc., or if someone brought their younger child they would not be on the water all day.
I would like to see early morning tournaments when it gets hot. One of the most popular things we did in FOCBA and at the end of Mid-South was go 5am to Noon. Get in early, get home early afternoon. I know everyone preaches safe light, but we fish night tournaments in the dark.
Remember to use HBSP or Wolftever not only requires a permit, but also liability insurance, that a few years ago was in the $800-$1000 range for 10 tournaments. My other issue with Wolftever it that more break-ins and thefts seem to occur there than at other primary ramps.
davisjeremy1981
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I'm against any trailer tourneys. While we have a good core group of anglers I feel it opens the door for some shenanigans that we just don't need.
Dropshot
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Here are the dates approved by CFP at this time. Still waiting on approval for some other dates. This has been a battle. They have a new person doing the scheduling. We can pick or choose any or none of these dates.
3-6-2021 Day
4-3-2021 Day
4-17-2021 Day
7-23-2021 Night
8-28-2021 Day
3-6-2021 Day
4-3-2021 Day
4-17-2021 Day
7-23-2021 Night
8-28-2021 Day
Justfishin
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Looking at everything I like kens dates except we need to make the classic on 10/2 and 10/3. We have a good group of guys and the best part of this trail is just hanging around and talking. Measuring fish is not that big of a deal to me I don’t think people will bring in a short fish on purpose.we can do live well checks and what ever that’s our jobs Looks like we will have to use the dam and holly circle as ramps. Let’s set the dates and try to figure out ramps later.
Justfishin
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I’m good with those if we make the classic 10/2-3
elwestb
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Ronnie and I both do not have a problem with locking those Dates Ken. We can always adjust if need be. What about you other guys?
As far as Patrick's list, Ronnie and my votes, answers and comments are below.
Rulewise:
I am all for no drops.
Ronnie and I agree!
I am good with live well checks before tourneys. Go back to tying the ribbon around the trolling motor.
Agreed!
I am good with moving all or some chick tournys to the DAM (we don't have to worry about scheduling at that point), if we continue to have issues with CFP and the others. I also like Holly Circle, but only at full pool.
We agree!
I also like the trailer tournaments, because they allow everyone to put in wherever they want on a specific lake/river. In the case of Chick, give anglers an option of the following ramps: CFP,
HBSP, Wolftever, Holly Circle with a central weigh-in area. For Nick, it would be similar.
Ronnie and I both disagree! It is usually hotter months and then your are hauling the fish around in questionable live wheels!
My thought is to get dates published, but leave off ramps for the time being.
We Agree!
Several think we need to tighten down on weigh-ins as far as measuring fish. I am good with that as well. It has never been worried about too much in the past due to the type of tournament we were trying to hold, but it seems to have become more cutthroat the past few years and the shenanigans seem to have increased by certain teams/anglers.
We Agree!
I don't agree with lengthening tournaments outside of the classic, unless you are going to start earlier. When we started the CFF trail one of the ideas of it was that you were not on the lake all day or night so you could get home and be with family, etc., or if someone brought their younger child they would not be on the water all day.
We Agree!
I would like to see early morning tournaments when it gets hot. One of the most popular things we did in FOCBA and at the end of Mid-South was go 5am to Noon. Get in early, get home early afternoon. I know everyone preaches safe light, but we fish night tournaments in the dark.
We agree only if Silverlight has no objection.? In night events we blast off before dark and blast off has always been their concern.
Remember to use HBSP or Wolftever not only requires a permit, but also liability insurance, that a few years ago was in the $800-$1000 range for 10 tournaments. My other issue with Wolftever it that more break-ins and thefts seem to occur there than at other primary ramps. I thought the insurance was waved? Tim got his money refunded last year after HB waved it.
As far as Patrick's list, Ronnie and my votes, answers and comments are below.
Rulewise:
I am all for no drops.
Ronnie and I agree!
I am good with live well checks before tourneys. Go back to tying the ribbon around the trolling motor.
Agreed!
I am good with moving all or some chick tournys to the DAM (we don't have to worry about scheduling at that point), if we continue to have issues with CFP and the others. I also like Holly Circle, but only at full pool.
We agree!
I also like the trailer tournaments, because they allow everyone to put in wherever they want on a specific lake/river. In the case of Chick, give anglers an option of the following ramps: CFP,
HBSP, Wolftever, Holly Circle with a central weigh-in area. For Nick, it would be similar.
Ronnie and I both disagree! It is usually hotter months and then your are hauling the fish around in questionable live wheels!
My thought is to get dates published, but leave off ramps for the time being.
We Agree!
Several think we need to tighten down on weigh-ins as far as measuring fish. I am good with that as well. It has never been worried about too much in the past due to the type of tournament we were trying to hold, but it seems to have become more cutthroat the past few years and the shenanigans seem to have increased by certain teams/anglers.
We Agree!
I don't agree with lengthening tournaments outside of the classic, unless you are going to start earlier. When we started the CFF trail one of the ideas of it was that you were not on the lake all day or night so you could get home and be with family, etc., or if someone brought their younger child they would not be on the water all day.
We Agree!
I would like to see early morning tournaments when it gets hot. One of the most popular things we did in FOCBA and at the end of Mid-South was go 5am to Noon. Get in early, get home early afternoon. I know everyone preaches safe light, but we fish night tournaments in the dark.
We agree only if Silverlight has no objection.? In night events we blast off before dark and blast off has always been their concern.
Remember to use HBSP or Wolftever not only requires a permit, but also liability insurance, that a few years ago was in the $800-$1000 range for 10 tournaments. My other issue with Wolftever it that more break-ins and thefts seem to occur there than at other primary ramps. I thought the insurance was waved? Tim got his money refunded last year after HB waved it.
Dropshot
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Update on CFP Approved Dates • March 6, 2021 for 7am-3pm • March 27, 2021 for 7pm-3am • April 3, 2021 for 7am-3pm • April 17, 2021 for 7am-3pm • May 22, 2021 for 7pm-3am • June 11, 2021 for 7pm-3am • July 2, 2021 for 7pm-3am • July 23, 2021 for 7pm-3am • August 28, 2021 for 7pm-3am I am good with all of Ken's dates except the classic. I like it on October 16/17.</p>
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Note...she told me they are going to be monitoring for social distancing and mask wearing at CFP...one ore reason to not have day tournaments out of CFPIMHO.</p>
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Note...she told me they are going to be monitoring for social distancing and mask wearing at CFP...one ore reason to not have day tournaments out of CFPIMHO.</p>
I am good with this (if we want to do a trialer tx thats fine with me also...I personally dont care what ramp we use I like HBSP more that the rest (this is just me) we could do the weigh ins at the fishing pier area that way you dont have to dive all the way through the park and there is plenty of room to beach a boat if thats what you want to do as well. if we were to do a 0500 -1200 tournament ..we could have people check in and leave to their spot ( honor system to begin fishing at 0500) ..just a thought.
Dropshot
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Want me to post dates?
davisjeremy1981
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If chesterfrost is going to be up our behinds about anything or make it difficult to schedule then there are plenty of other ramps we can use.
