Bubbakat
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well said Eric
outcaster - 7/27/2010 9:55 PM
cheez - 7/27/2010 9:38 PM
outcaster - 7/27/2010 6:57 PM
cheez - 7/27/2010 2:21 PM
outcaster - 7/27/2010 1:43 PM
Listen to what Warren Buffett, the 3rd richest man in America has to say about tax rates and the rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5B-2LoC4s
Wow! I had no idea Warren Buffett was the third richest man in America.
How could this possibly be? Warren Buffett is a democrat. I have heard and read that all rich people were Republicans. Something is just not right here.
Came as quite a shock to me too! Turns out though, after a little research I learned that..... some Democrats are wealthy, some own a firearm and hunt and fish, some are veterans, some have a job and pay taxes, some have never actually been on Welfare, some even marry someone from the opposite sex, and some have been to church.
SOME is the key word. Most definitely the exception rather than the rule. I figure they just have not been to enough democratic political rallies.
We're not very organized either. The only time we get to be in charge is when the Republicans screw up so bad no one will vote for them. Hey, next time your side gets into power don't screw up so bad and Democrats can go back to being just whiny liberals. lol
</p>outcaster - 7/28/2010 11:16 AM As far as what gov't should be paying for. That's a good topic. But the way things have become..... If we eliminated Everything from the Federal Budget, and just kept the Dept of Defense, and Social Security, we would still be in red numbers. So far no-one, Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Liberal has the political will or guts to tackle either one of those issues.
SpurHunter - 7/28/2010 12:48 PM
</p>outcaster - 7/28/2010 11:16 AM As far as what gov't should be paying for. That's a good topic. But the way things have become..... If we eliminated Everything from the Federal Budget, and just kept the Dept of Defense, and Social Security, we would still be in red numbers. So far no-one, Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Liberal has the political will or guts to tackle either one of those issues.
It takes intestinal fortitude to make the hard choices this country needs. I was listening to a news clip about a tax survey done recently. The numbers were pretty staggering. I cant remember the exact stats, but something in the neighborhood of 85% think taxes are too high. Then they were asked which programs that "they use", ie, social security, Welfare, food stamps, Medicare, national parks, roadways, etc, should be cut. Not programs they dont use mind you....the numbers showed virtually no-one would cut those programs. We want it all, and to hell with finding a real way to pay for it apparently. </p>
jtab81 - 7/28/2010 7:17 PM
Oh, and the newest news: Chelsea Clinton's wedding this weekend is expected to cost between $2-$3 MILLION! I can't believe that ANY self respecting, ultra liberal, Democrat would spend that kid of cash on a wedding instead of voluntarily giving to someone who has more needs, or even donating it to the US Gov't.
I'm sorry, but I don;t think I have heard a single good argument about why the rich should have to pay a higher percentage of their income to taxes or for other services because someone decides that they make too much money.
If I remember correctly Danny, the last time I saw you fishing at the nuke, you were in a pretty nice bass boat. Much nicer than my little alluminum John boat. Based on your arguments, I think you should be paying a higher price for the gas in your boat than me, and higher tx fees becasue you can afford it. While we're at it, maybe you should just give me a few rods and some boxes full of lures, that way we can be on move EQUAL footing as far as the fish are concerned. I mean, you have all of that becasue you have worked longer, and maybe harder than I have. You have had opportunities in life to get you were you are. I haven't made it yet, so you should share more of what you have with me since thus far, I have been less fortnate.
BTW, at least we can still cheer for the same Noles in a few weeks!
jtab81 - 7/28/2010 9:17 PM
Oh, and the newest news: Chelsea Clinton's wedding this weekend is expected to cost between $2-$3 MILLION! I can't believe that ANY self respecting, ultra liberal, Democrat would spend that kid of cash on a wedding instead of voluntarily giving to someone who has more needs, or even donating it to the US Gov't.
I'm sorry, but I don;t think I have heard a single good argument about why the rich should have to pay a higher percentage of their income to taxes or for other services because someone decides that they make too much money.
If I remember correctly Danny, the last time I saw you fishing at the nuke, you were in a pretty nice bass boat. Much nicer than my little alluminum John boat. Based on your arguments, I think you should be paying a higher price for the gas in your boat than me, and higher tx fees becasue you can afford it. While we're at it, maybe you should just give me a few rods and some boxes full of lures, that way we can be on move EQUAL footing as far as the fish are concerned. I mean, you have all of that becasue you have worked longer, and maybe harder than I have. You have had opportunities in life to get you were you are. I haven't made it yet, so you should share more of what you have with me since thus far, I have been less fortnate.
BTW, at least we can still cheer for the same Noles in a few weeks!
outcaster - 7/31/2010 2:14 PM
If what you're saying is true.... even though we pay the same rates for most taxes and fees, MY fed income tax rate is higher, yet you're the one complaining about it, not me. Actually the bass boat is 14 years old, and flies down the lake at 40mph on its best day, and is pulled by a 1998 ford explorer. But that is my decision. I could have something a lot nicer if it were not for those pesky kids wanting to go to college. And I don't mind one bit asking the wealthiest 3% to chip in a little more.
beetlespin - 7/31/2010 5:52 PM
Maybe we should let rich people vote twice since they pay the bills. Wanna hear something funny? Someone making $250k a year will pay more taxes that someone making 50k a year even makes. Its really BS. Penalizing someone just for being successful just doesn't seem right. Making 250k a year is a hell of an accomplishment. I don't make near that but I work my a$$ off to make what I feel like is pretty good money. People who make that kind of money live for work. They work long hours, go to bed thinking or worrying about work, think about work in their spare time, etc... So yes they make more $$ but they earn it! Not sure why you think its fair to penalize that...
outcaster - 7/31/2010 5:35 PM
I'm a little confused? Would you rather pay the same federal income tax rate as the rich guys? I'm sure some arrangements can be made for you lol. Put your money where your mouth is..... call up the IRS on Monday and tell then how un-fair you think it is that you are paying less in federal income taxes than someone making a quarter million dollars. Then ask them to please put you in the higher tax bracket with them....... Then I will be more inclined to accept your argument on tax rates. We really have to get over this notion that All people that are poor, or "less" successful" are that way because they are lazy, and stupid, just as ALL that are rich, are that way because they have worked harder and are smarter. I don't really know you, but I highly doubt that you are lazy or stupid, even if you NEVER become wealthy.
beetlespin - 7/31/2010 4:52 PM
Someone making $250k a year will pay more taxes that someone making 50k a year even makes. Its really BS.
Bfish - 8/1/2010 12:00 PM
beetlespin - 7/31/2010 4:52 PM
Someone making $250k a year will pay more taxes that someone making 50k a year even makes. Its really BS.
Hmm, while that is true lets bump the numbers up just a hair, and compare the effective tax rate at 60k to 300k. In that case the 60k is paying a larger percentage of their income than the 300k. The spread gets even greater when you start considering all the write-offs that the 300k person can take advantage of.