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I caught a 5 pound spot one time out of Carters Lake and it was the greenest bass I ever caught - shaped much like Mark's. That fish looks in shape a tad more "spottie" than "smallie" to me, but a tad too brown too - although the fish might have been greener in appearance than the photo shows. Doesn't matter - it was a heck of a beautiful fish - could be one of those mean-mouth things!
 
LOL Yup, if it was pink, then it would be closer to being a spot than that fish. And since when do they have to KILL the fish to get DNA from it? Imagine if all the humans in the world that wanted DNA test done had to DIE in order to prove a paternity! Sheesh.

Why not keep the fish in a livewell, draw blood from it like any other animal, and let it live? Or, have all the fisheries biologists not figured out a way to do that yet?

Seems a little fishy, for lack of a better word, that they would have to kill a fish in order to prove what species it is.
 
I am suprised that you giys have missed the obvious. There is no doubt that fish is a spot, if you look down a blackbass throat and you see a olive colored spot on the tongue it is a spot, no matter what the rest of it looks like. The supposition I have is from which genus is it. I have heard some rumors over the last few years of would be biologist moving some Coosa River strain north into Tennessee waters. Some of the deep fish I have caught from Lake Martin are brown , not green.
 
Just a word of caution;
Don't rely only on the spot ( v shpaed tooth patch) on the tounge if the fish is brown in color and you plan on putting it in the livewell on Chickamauga Lake. I have heard two different TWRA wildlife officers say 'if it is brown it is a smallmouth, it don't matter if it has a spot on the tounge or not and, it better be 18 inches long if you have it in the livewell.'
 
The only problem I see is that if you look in the regulation book under identifying your fish. The regulation book says single tooth patch on the tongue, also a spot has horizontal bars down the sides and a smallmouth has vertical. I understand that one of the local game wardens is a cff member and stated that if it is brown it is a smallmouth but the book states different and the book is printed by twra. Bill Reeves is or was TWRA head biologist and he told some guys at a meeting at harrison bay state park a couple of years ago if it has a tounge patch its a spot. A old spot like the fish andy caught could be darker in coloration. I'm not saying i'm right or any else is wrong. I would just like to see printed proof in a a regulation book.
 
Who are the officers making those statements? Let me have some names and I will get that situation resolved. The letter posted by Madbomber from Bill Reeves was sent to all enforcement officers across the state. I am quite sure that the Chief of Fisheries will not be happy.
 
OK, here's the memo from Bill Reeves again.  It was put out to clarify issues caused by increasing creel limits on spots in the upland lakes.  Andy's bass probably is a "meanmouth".  </p>

The problem is when a fisherman catches a "toothed tongue, brownish looking" bass that's less than 18" long and he keeps it.  Bill's memo refers to spot/largemouth hybrids.  He doesn't specifically mention spot/smallmouth hybrids.  According to "fishes of Tennessee", smallmouth sometimes show a tongue patch.</p>

What's a feller to do!!! 
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Spotted Bass Identification and Creel Limits

Recently TWRA received several calls and correspondence from anglers expressing concern about spotted bass identification and their more liberal creel limits in certain Tennessee reservoirs. These anglers were concerned that they might unintentionally keep numbers of largemouth bass over the limit while attempting to limit out on spotted bass. Several years ago when we first proposed liberalizing creel limits on spotted bass in east Tennessee we were also concerned with this and looked for one single characteristic that both anglers and officers could rely on. The character we settled on was the small patch of teeth on the tongue- spotted bass have them, largemouth bass generally do not. The word “generally” refers to the unusual trait of largemouth bass to occasionally exhibit a small tooth patch. This oddity shows up in one in every 100 to 150 largemouth bass. <font color="#cc0000">So even if the bass with a tooth patch is a largemouth, for simplicity sake, we consider it to be a spotted bass.</font> That way no one has to wonder if they are exceeding the limit or what species of bass they are keeping. Please refer to the Fishing Guide for a drawing depicting the location of the tooth patch in the mouth cavity.

You may have wondered why we liberalized creel limits on spotted bass in the first place. Why should we be worried about this small member of the black bass family that usually measures less than 12-inches in length? Several years of fairly intense sampling of black bass populations in reservoirs have indicated that in certain waterbodies, the proportion of spotted bass in the population is increasing, apparently displacing largemouth and smallmouth. In some instances, the percentage of spotted bass in electrofishing sampling has increased from less than 20% to currently exceeding 50%. The quality of the black bass fishery- fewer largemouth and smallmouth- is at stake. Additionally, pound for pound spotted bass are recognized by many anglers and biologists alike as the scrappiest and most aggressive of the black basses, out competing largemouth and smallmouth for food and space. Their food habits are worrisome as well. Studies 10 years ago at Norris Lake indicated that adult spotted bass feed more heavily on black bass offspring (all 3 species) than did largemouth and smallmouth. So to counteract this shift in spotted bass abundance and dominance, we have proposed more liberal creel limits on these reservoirs that allow anglers to take home more of these smaller cousins of the more preferred largemouth and smallmouth. So far, the reservoir type exhibiting this population shift has been upland, storage impoundments with high water clarity. However, anglers around Chattanooga are expressing concern for increasing spotted bass catch rates they are seeing on Nickajack and Chickamauga, two mainstream impoundments. TWRA is currently evaluating this situation and we will report the findings to our Commission sometime next summer.

What can you do as an angler to protect largemouth and smallmouth bass fisheries? <font color="#cc3300">If you fish waters with liberalized spotted bass creel limits, please take as many as you can of all sizes, within the creel limit, of course. Encourage other anglers to do the same.</font> Our creel surveys show that anglers have been reluctant, so far, to focus their efforts on harvesting spotted bass in the lakes with liberal creel limits. Anglers need to realize that TWRA does not have the manpower to remove these tiny dynamos from all these bodies of water for you. You must do it for yourself and for the other anglers that enjoy the bounty of fishing experiences we have in Tennessee.

Bill Reeves
TWRA
Fisheries Chief
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Go to soddy custom tackle and look at another picture of andys fish and you can visiblely tell its a spot. The lighting in the picture on Bassfan made it look brownish. Thats all I was saying when I made my first post on this, and for some reason people think andy morgan don't know what a spot looks like. Its been a good thread but I'm done.
 
If I had a nickel for every time a smallmouth vs. big spaaat or meanmouth have been questioned on CFF...well I guess I would have a quarter or so :) So hard to tell from a pic. I'm happy we have plenty of both species here in Chattanooga - Nice Fish - Congrats emoThumbsup
 
all I know that if I catch a fish that is WHITE with black spots and a patch on it's touge, under 2 pounds I'mm putting him in a frying pan. man notin better than a 1.5 spot with coleslaw and frys.
 

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