Can our country recover?

[basscrazy]

things are going to get worse befor they get better

 

[Auburnwes]

cheez - 3/3/2010 8:53 AM

We will NEVER recover until EVERY American loses the it's all about me mindset. We will NEVER recover until EVERY American stops trying to keep up with the Jones. I does not matter one bit who is in the Whitehouse or even in congress. We the people are the problem.

How are we the problem?

 

[glasstream]

cheez - 3/3/2010 9:53 AM

We will NEVER recover until EVERY American loses the it's all about me mindset. We will NEVER recover until EVERY American stops trying to keep up with the Jones. I does not matter one bit who is in the Whitehouse or even in congress. We the people are the problem.

DARN WELL SAID! emoThumbsup

 

[foodsaver]

Auburnwes - 3/3/2010 1:39 PM

cheez - 3/3/2010 8:53 AM

We will NEVER recover until EVERY American loses the it's all about me mindset. We will NEVER recover until EVERY American stops trying to keep up with the Jones. I does not matter one bit who is in the Whitehouse or even in congress. We the people are the problem.

How are we the problem?

We are the problem because we the people spend more than we have on things we don't need and then ask the government to bail us out when we make bad decisions.

 

[SPOON]

Sniperchoke - 3/2/2010 11:31 PM

I look into my 3 year old daughter's eyes and wonder what the future holds for her.


That would not be as bad as looking in the eyes of the little Chinese girl that is working under forced labor so I will have a cheaper pair of soxs to wear to church Sunday.


THIS WAS WRITTEN IN 2008.Are you ready for the Breakdown?

How do you -- or a nation -- arrive at a point of financial breakdown? Does arrogant entitlement and over-extension beyond one's means resonate with today's news headlines?

On a national level, we experience the severity of living on international credit -- now come home to roost. For the past 20 years, our Congress encouraged massive outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of American jobs. That caused us to lose our manufacturing base and facilities. Thus, today, we tolerate a $700 billion annual trade deficit. We pay China, India and other third world countries to manufacture our goods at lower prices while our middle class languishes with millions of job losses -- and cannot continue buying those goods.

Few Americans realize that when you shop at such stores as Wal-Mart, Lowe's, Kohl's, Home Depot and Target, you slit your neighbor's and your own financial throat.

James Howard Kunstler, author of, The Long Emergency, said, "Americans failed to recognize the essential fraudulence of the idea that this destruction was ‘creative' and would lead to a higher good, that the end justified the means, even as they watched their towns die around them. Wal-Mart and its imitators used their wealth and muscle to set up ‘superstores' on the cheap land outside small towns and put every other merchant out of business, often destroying most of the town's middle class. They also destroyed the local capacity to produce goods. The public enjoyed this bonanza of ‘supercheap' manufactured goods without reckoning any of the collateral costs, which were astronomical."

While Congress dismantled our manufacturing and construction base, and millions of necessary jobs, Congress exacerbated our vulnerability by borrowing (selling), unknown to average citizens, $1.3 trillion in Treasury Bills from (to) China to prop up our moribund economy. On a national level, the average credit card runs a $9,240.00 balance (debt) according to NBC's Brian Williams. Total consumer debt exceeds $2 trillion. National debt tops $10.1 trillion! Ahh, the abundance of unsubstantiated bailouts flow from a Monopoly Board checkbook!

The day approaches, likely 2010, supported by the Hubbert Curve analysis -- when galloping population expansion collides with declining oil extraction.

Similarly, we falsified home values with escalated appraisals cradled in vacuous, lofty ideals. We allowed millions of poor borrowers without down payments or viable financial histories to purchase homes clearly outside their range.

"No problema amigo," Wells Fargo banker said. "We can work the numbers to make the American Dream yours!"

Surprise! The real estate bubble burst! Millions of foreclosures strangled American citizens and poor migrants who lost jobs while they watched interest rates rise beyond their means.

Can you guess the next bubble to burst? What can we see exploding in our faces? What crisis long denied by our presidents and Congress zeroes-in on our civilization like a stealth missile?

Immigration-driven hyper-population growth extends its ubiquitous tentacles into every aspect of American society.

While, according to President Bush, 573,000 manufacturing jobs vanished in November, the United States imported 200,000 job- seeking immigrants from third world countries. It doesn't end there! Our myopic Congress proposes doubling legal immigration to 2.4 million annually and giving amnesty for 20 million plus illegal migrants! Watch for that political torpedo in 2009.

U.S. Representative Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) promoted an H-1B bill to add 550,000 foreign workers.

That's on top of another 200,000 immigrants added in December! Add another 200,000 immigrants in January, and the same, month in and month out!

Does anyone see the correlation with our financial plight? Where is the common sense of importing more bodies when our own workers stand in unemployment lines?

Now is the time for sensible decision making -- as other countries must decide -- regarding how many immigrants we can sustain before exploding into chaos. We accept more immigrants annually than all other countries combined!

Our natural resources suffer over-extension today! California's accelerating water shortages, arable land loss plus overwhelming debt strangles its sustainability! California depicts and portends America's future. From the look of things in the past two months, baby, we're already there!

Why do we entertain inviting millions more immigrants into our country when our middle class stands in welfare lines, visits soup kitchens, floods into food banks and loses homes?

Excerpts above are from: Frosty Wooldridge - December 22, 2008 - NewsWithViews.com



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We must demand thru our representitives that the cost of them buying offshore, on our behalf, is a price we cannot afford, no matter how much they 'think' they are trying to save us...

Bottom line? The 'representitives' that YOU voted in, have cost many good people their jobs. It has cost us our manufacturing base, and the people in our Congress are replacing those jobs with foriegn workers. Do you not see something wrong here? No, it is not just the President's fault, for it is Congress that submit the bills, and pass the laws. (Led by Nancy Palosi and Harry Reed.)

Examine your recient Christmas present purchases. Did you really get the best price?
Or, did you "... slit your neighbor's and your own financial throat." Think about it.

 

[Bfish]

Sniperchoke - 3/3/2010 10:43 AM

I'm not looking for partisan rants I'm looking for people to demand that our politicians whoever they are, to do the right thing for our country and our children's sake. Not looking for them to do the feel good things we need them to do the hard things and make the sacrifices we need to make now so our children will not be laden with this debt.

So you're telling everyone to vote no to the no party emoPoke

 

[Sniperchoke]

Obviously voting for another entitlement program that will further bankrupt our country just as Medicare and Medicaid have is not the ethical or moral thing to do. Anyone with common sense can figure that out..

 

[Guest]

Auburnwes - 3/3/2010 1:39 PM

cheez - 3/3/2010 8:53 AM

We will NEVER recover until EVERY American loses the it's all about me mindset. We will NEVER recover until EVERY American stops trying to keep up with the Jones. I does not matter one bit who is in the Whitehouse or even in congress. We the people are the problem.

How are we the problem?

Very simple. We the people have spent money we do not have. We have credit card debt and live in houses far beyond our needs. We drive expensive cars and fish from expensive boats. Before anybody says "I can afford it and work hard" ask yourself this question. If I get out of work what would happen ? How many people in this country are making payments on cars? How many are making huge mortgage payments? How many carry a balance on credit cards?

IT'S ALL ABOUT DEBT FOLKS!

We owe way too much money. The government is merely a reflection of society at large. No politician or group of politicians will EVER be able to fix this country until we the people begin at home.

 

[rstewart]

AMEN!

 

[RattleTrapper]

emoApplause Good post Cheez, No matter what side of the spectrum we are on, I think everyone should be able to agree with you on that one.

 

[TritonAL186]

Yes it can recover, always has and always will. We just need to make sure the next politicians we put into office don't screw it up even further. You have to have faith , even thou most people are losing it. Keep the faith and it will turn out fine.

 

[outcaster]

TritonAL186 - 3/5/2010 12:58 AM

Yes it can recover, always has and always will. We just need to make sure the next politicians we put into office don't screw it up even further. You have to have faith , even thou most people are losing it. Keep the faith and it will turn out fine.

lol the "next politicians".......Republicans were the ones just removed a couple of years ago. They were the ones responsible for screwing things up in the first place. They broke it...... Do you really believe they know how to fix it? What we need is Public Financing of political campaigns where IDEAS can be discussed, instead of obscene amounts of $$ being spent....... But our Supreme Court made sure that couldn't happen. But yes.... we can recover..... slowly. With this Great Recession, the economy has had to do a complete "re-boot". A lot of what cheez had to say is true. The new Economy will be a lot different than the one we knew back in the early years of this new century. We will all be living much like our parents, and grandparents did in the 50's and 60's after the Great Depression, and WWII.

 

[Sniperchoke]

I for one don't want a "new economy" I want an economy where if you work hard you make money and get to keep most of it instead of the gov't distributing it where they see fit. I feel this new economy we are headed for is a socialist economy.

 

[Bubbakat]

This says it all

 

[TritonAL186]

outcaster - 3/5/2010 6:58 AM

TritonAL186 - 3/5/2010 12:58 AM

Yes it can recover, always has and always will. We just need to make sure the next politicians we put into office don't screw it up even further. You have to have faith , even thou most people are losing it. Keep the faith and it will turn out fine.

lol the "next politicians".......Republicans were the ones just removed a couple of years ago. They were the ones responsible for screwing things up in the first place. They broke it...... Do you really believe they know how to fix it? What we need is Public Financing of political campaigns where IDEAS can be discussed, instead of obscene amounts of $$ being spent....... But our Supreme Court made sure that couldn't happen. But yes.... we can recover..... slowly. With this Great Recession, the economy has had to do a complete "re-boot". A lot of what cheez had to say is true. The new Economy will be a lot different than the one we knew back in the early years of this new century. We will all be living much like our parents, and grandparents did in the 50's and 60's after the Great Depression, and WWII.

Outcaster, you need to stop reading between the lines, I never said get rid of the Dems, I said get rid of everyone in office, both the Dems. and Reps. and start from the begining with everyone new....By the way I'm an Indep.....and vote for who I think will run this Country correctly and yes, sometimes I make mistakes just like everyone else....... emoBang

 

[outcaster]

TritonAL186 - 3/5/2010 9:48 PM

outcaster - 3/5/2010 6:58 AM

TritonAL186 - 3/5/2010 12:58 AM

Yes it can recover, always has and always will. We just need to make sure the next politicians we put into office don't screw it up even further. You have to have faith , even thou most people are losing it. Keep the faith and it will turn out fine.

lol the "next politicians".......Republicans were the ones just removed a couple of years ago. They were the ones responsible for screwing things up in the first place. They broke it...... Do you really believe they know how to fix it? What we need is Public Financing of political campaigns where IDEAS can be discussed, instead of obscene amounts of $$ being spent....... But our Supreme Court made sure that couldn't happen. But yes.... we can recover..... slowly. With this Great Recession, the economy has had to do a complete "re-boot". A lot of what cheez had to say is true. The new Economy will be a lot different than the one we knew back in the early years of this new century. We will all be living much like our parents, and grandparents did in the 50's and 60's after the Great Depression, and WWII.

Outcaster, you need to stop reading between the lines, I never said get rid of the Dems, I said get rid of everyone in office, both the Dems. and Reps. and start from the begining with everyone new....By the way I'm an Indep.....and vote for who I think will run this Country correctly and yes, sometimes I make mistakes just like everyone else....... emoBang

Your right, maybe I was reading betweeen the lines. But it following logic, one would assume that if Democrats are in the majority.... Republicans would be the ones filling the the seats if the Democrats get kicked out, unless there is a third party with pockets deep enough to run national political campaigns that I am not aware of. All I was trying to say with that post was: Be careful what you ask for..... you just might get it.

 

[Bob Scratchit]

GET RID OF THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There I said it.

 

[Possum]

Then what?

 

[buzz2]

Two words. "TERM LIMITS".....for all!!!!!!!!

 

[outcaster]

Bob Scratchit - 3/6/2010 11:59 AM

GET RID OF THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There I said it.

To quote the Great Hulk Hogan....."What ya gonna do Brother!"