rsimms
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Deer Corn For Sale - What's Up With That?
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Deer Corn For Sale - What's Up With That?
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Justfishin
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As long as you remove it 2 week before hunting it legal.
SpurHunter
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While I have never done it, I dont really oppose it. (the hunting over bait)
Its VERY common in places like Texas, and their der and hog population is still high and thriving. Its not going to wipe out the herds if TN ever allows it.
As far as the retailer, it's not even on my radar.
Its illegal to hunt deer with a 22 LR, but those are also located in the gun department.
FMJ ammo is sold along side hunting rounds that cost 2, 3, 4 times as much, I'm sure the poachers are also cheap-skates and use the illegal ammunition too.
I certainly get your point of the article, but you simply cant legislate morality. I honestly think TWRA is wasting all these valuable man-hours to enforce bait hunting while they could be going after hard-core poachers.
Its VERY common in places like Texas, and their der and hog population is still high and thriving. Its not going to wipe out the herds if TN ever allows it.
As far as the retailer, it's not even on my radar.
Its illegal to hunt deer with a 22 LR, but those are also located in the gun department.
FMJ ammo is sold along side hunting rounds that cost 2, 3, 4 times as much, I'm sure the poachers are also cheap-skates and use the illegal ammunition too.
I certainly get your point of the article, but you simply cant legislate morality. I honestly think TWRA is wasting all these valuable man-hours to enforce bait hunting while they could be going after hard-core poachers.
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South Carolina has a 4-1/2 month long rifle deer season with no limit on bucks and an extremely generous doe limit. They allow baiting although they call it feeding. Hunting deer over corn or anything else has never been proven to have any negative effects on the herd. SC has way more deer than TN and they have been doing this for longer than I can remember.
I'm with Spur on this. Gross waste of money and manpower hunting down the "criminals" hunting over corn. The law should be changed.
I akin this to the inline muzzle loader debate and the debate over scopes on muzzleloaders and the debate over compound bows and the debate over crossbows. The list goes on and on. Each and every one of these debates have had opponents and proponents. The opponents say that these things are an "unfair advantage" or "it will wipe out the herd". All the things I mentioned here except the baiting was once illegal. We have a greater and healthier herd than ever before for the most part.
I'm with Spur on this. Gross waste of money and manpower hunting down the "criminals" hunting over corn. The law should be changed.
I akin this to the inline muzzle loader debate and the debate over scopes on muzzleloaders and the debate over compound bows and the debate over crossbows. The list goes on and on. Each and every one of these debates have had opponents and proponents. The opponents say that these things are an "unfair advantage" or "it will wipe out the herd". All the things I mentioned here except the baiting was once illegal. We have a greater and healthier herd than ever before for the most part.
Not bad at all. Like has been said, you can use it as long as it is gone two weeks out from hunting where you had it in TN. In Arkansas you can hunt over it. Same in Texas. Some hunters think this is unethical but some of those same hunters that think it are putting out fields of food for the deer to eat and then they hunt over that. emoScratch I have never really understoud the difference. I use to put out feed in Arkansas at my deer camp so the kids could hunt there. The deer got use to it being there and would come in close enough so the kids could shoot one. emoSmile We usually started it around the first of Oct. so that by deer rifle season there would be several that came around to feed on it there. Planting it or spreading it....I don't really see a difference. I have sold 1000s of lbs of corn for game over the years at Wal-Mart, it is not illegal and it is a good way to inhance your chances of a clean good kill.
Just my opinion,
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Just my opinion,
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rsimms
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I don't disagree with a spirited debate about whether baiting should, or should not be legal. I'm sort of on the fence on the issue. Mainly because if you allow deer baiting... why not dove, ducks, turkeys, rabbits and every other game species? Once you cross that line, it's is hard to know where to stop... or whether you should stop. Regardless, I encourage folks to do all they can proactively to get the law changed.
I suspect most game wardens might welcome that debate as well. Just remember that they don't make the laws, it's just their job to enforce the laws that others tell them they have to enforce.
But as it stands right now, it IS illegal and you can face hefty fines and loss of equipment if you get caught. So should businesses be implicitly encouraging folks to do it?
Some interesting points of view over on the TNDeer Forum: http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2073878&page=1#Post2073878
I suspect most game wardens might welcome that debate as well. Just remember that they don't make the laws, it's just their job to enforce the laws that others tell them they have to enforce.
But as it stands right now, it IS illegal and you can face hefty fines and loss of equipment if you get caught. So should businesses be implicitly encouraging folks to do it?
Some interesting points of view over on the TNDeer Forum: http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2073878&page=1#Post2073878
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Bout like the liquor store on this point. Just because someone sells the stuff doesn't mean they are encouraging illegal activity with their products. Hunters should know the game laws the same as drinkers should know it is illegal to drink and drive. JMHO
rsimms
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Can I drink "a little" liquor and remain "legally" sober?
Yes I can.
Can I pour out "a little" bit of corn to hunt over and still be legal?
No I can't.
And liquor usually does come with a disclaimer. Game warden in story pointed out that it was his opinion that "Deer Corn" should carry a similar disclaimer.
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Either way Richard folks should know what is legal and what is not. That is what is wrong with society today. Everyone wants to blame someone else for their ignorance. i.e. "well I bought this here corn in the huntin' section of Wal-Mart so it must be ok to use"
Personal responsibility and accountability cannot be purchased at Wally.
Personal responsibility and accountability cannot be purchased at Wally.
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Its all about the money not about if it will hurt the deer herd or if it is ethical, its the money. Think about how much money the state would lose if it was legal to bait. If the right people and money were behind it the law could be changed. Either way I don't think it would change harvest numbers very much if any. I think that there are more beneficial things the state could have those guys doing other than chasing down the people who spend the unreasonably high amount of money for hunting and fishing licence just because of some corn that may or may not help there success. Check resident licence cost for Ohio, Kentucky, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Missisippii,Illinois,Arkansas, Iowa, Indiana, West Virginia and I think we will be in the top 25% in cost for residents. I think the limits and rules on deer are nowhere near as flexible as they should be in Tennessee except for bucks (should be one or two) and unit L is a prime example of what they have been doing is not working. When every hunter can kill three does a day all season long, we have got a big problem because it didn't get that far out of whack overnight. This is just my opinion on some of the issues and I think hunters are getting s**t on by whoever comes up with some of these laws on the state level.
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Kirk
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<font size="2">First off, ignorance of the law is no excuse. However, </font><font size="2">The world is full of uninformed people.<font size="2"> </font></font><font size="2">Good people, that just don't take the time read rules and ask questions. They rely on information from others to help them find their way through life. Unfortunately, about 50% of hunters fall into this category and don't read the rules and regulations issued in the annual hunting guide. Of that 50%, 2/3rds of them don't hunt except on opening weekend of the rifle season. To this group, the sporting goods store is <u>the authority</u>. </font><font size="2"> Why would a sporting goods store knowingly promote an illegal act? A reasonable adult would assume it is legal to do if is sitting there for sale and promoted for that specific purpose right alongside the tree stands and camo-clothing. </font></p>
<font size="2">This type of hunter runs in to Walmart or Academy or a dozen other places, on the Friday night before the Gun Opener and asks the clerk what license they will need to hunt deer the next morning. They rely on the clerk to be familiar with the needed license. The clerk might just sell them the hunting license and no supplementary license to go with it. This group does not know the difference. (I know of several cases where this has happened and the hunters were ticketed for not having the proper license). </font></p>
<font size="2">How does this above all fit with Academy selling deer corn in the sporting goods section? If they promote "deer corn" as an option, an uniformed hunter could easily buy it, put it out and then get ticketed for hunting over it. I can see both sides of the issue. Like my Grand Daddy told me, "If your going to be stupid, you better be tough." Or in this case be ready to loose a rifle, or a bow and pay a big fine.
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<font size="2">This type of hunter runs in to Walmart or Academy or a dozen other places, on the Friday night before the Gun Opener and asks the clerk what license they will need to hunt deer the next morning. They rely on the clerk to be familiar with the needed license. The clerk might just sell them the hunting license and no supplementary license to go with it. This group does not know the difference. (I know of several cases where this has happened and the hunters were ticketed for not having the proper license). </font></p>
<font size="2">How does this above all fit with Academy selling deer corn in the sporting goods section? If they promote "deer corn" as an option, an uniformed hunter could easily buy it, put it out and then get ticketed for hunting over it. I can see both sides of the issue. Like my Grand Daddy told me, "If your going to be stupid, you better be tough." Or in this case be ready to loose a rifle, or a bow and pay a big fine.
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striperchase
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You don't need corn to attrack deer. Just go Turkey hunting with me! emoHoppingmad
dlmille
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Not all of the State of SC allow hunting over corn. The upstate does not allow it and on the National Forest it is illegal to put corn out and hunt over it. I am Forester on the Francis Marion National Forest and believe me the deer here are little compared to what I see in TN. The state DNR changed the rules this year if I am correct on 4 bucks may be taken on the National Forest. Regulations are alot tougher on the National Forest this year. What is unique about the deer on the Francis Marion National Forest is that the gene pool has remained the same. No deer have been brought in to make the quality of the deer better. No if you want to see some interesting deer hunting take a look at the deer dog drives that go on. They turn alot of walker hounds loose and stand on side of the road and wait on the deer to run out and shoot it with 00 buck. It is a sight to see.
Liveliner
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Bi-lo in Rossville has Pallets full of the big bags of deer corn for Cheap prices. You have less than the time to have it removed before opening day. That may be why they are just about giving it away.
puddle jumper
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First of all its illegal,,,and that's the fact,
So with that out of the way, I will give my opinion,,, With all the talk about this subject, the only reason not to do it that make any logic to me is that it makes transmitting diseases easyer,"CWD" and others,,
In a time where the deer heard are getting out of hand, and hunter numbers are at a all time low, anything that gets hunters in the woods is a good thing, Does it make seeing deer easier, yes, but a hunter is going to take deer on HIS standard's , not how many deer walk in front of him,, If he is looking for a monster buck, that's what he will wait on, not the 35 younger deer that have there head down in the corn,,, or if he wants to fill the freezer with meat he is going to whack anything that comes in front of him until he gets the amount of food he needs...
If he is a immoral hunter killing deer for the fun,, the corn wont make any difference he will do that regardless of what anyone wants him to do, he does not care about the laws anyway... emoBang
Seasons are getting longer, allowable harvest numbers are way up, money for DNR is low, hunting is down,,, is corn really the issue??? emoEnforce
Wonder what the peta folks will do when there are deer starving from over population???emoScratch Give them corn???
I say make it legal and worry about the bigger problems...
JMHO,,,
PJ
Most fun Ive had hunting was watching 60 deer feeding on corn in front of me in TX, including SEVERAL 8 & 10pt monsters, ive got lots of great video...Thats when I realized how hunting could be in the south...
So with that out of the way, I will give my opinion,,, With all the talk about this subject, the only reason not to do it that make any logic to me is that it makes transmitting diseases easyer,"CWD" and others,,
In a time where the deer heard are getting out of hand, and hunter numbers are at a all time low, anything that gets hunters in the woods is a good thing, Does it make seeing deer easier, yes, but a hunter is going to take deer on HIS standard's , not how many deer walk in front of him,, If he is looking for a monster buck, that's what he will wait on, not the 35 younger deer that have there head down in the corn,,, or if he wants to fill the freezer with meat he is going to whack anything that comes in front of him until he gets the amount of food he needs...
If he is a immoral hunter killing deer for the fun,, the corn wont make any difference he will do that regardless of what anyone wants him to do, he does not care about the laws anyway... emoBang
Seasons are getting longer, allowable harvest numbers are way up, money for DNR is low, hunting is down,,, is corn really the issue??? emoEnforce
Wonder what the peta folks will do when there are deer starving from over population???emoScratch Give them corn???
I say make it legal and worry about the bigger problems...
JMHO,,,
PJ
Most fun Ive had hunting was watching 60 deer feeding on corn in front of me in TX, including SEVERAL 8 & 10pt monsters, ive got lots of great video...Thats when I realized how hunting could be in the south...
dlmille
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Growing corn here in SC is a big industry for deer hunting. It is way of life here in SC. Some people sell enough deer corn here to make a living. The gas stations all have corn for sale. There are not any agricultural crops grown on the coast of SC anymore. Very little peanuts, wheat, soybeans etc. Also there is a lack of mast producing oaks unlike TN that has excellent hardwoods. When I moved here I thought people would be using mineral blocks etc. Deer will not touch theme because there is so much corn put on the ground.
procraft
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in alabama you can put out all the bait you want but it must be gone 10 days befor you are legal to hunt the area
deerhunter09
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In Tn the corn has to be gone off of the ground 10 days before season if you are hunting that area. It is not illegal to feed corn in TN. The law is you can feed year round but you have to be at least 200 yards from it and you can not be able to see it . That came from a bubby of mine that is a game warden.
That law was passed years ago when our deer herd was very small and growing. It was a big deal to kill one illegally then - not so much now. If you don't like the law petition to get it changed.There is an opportunity to send in suggestions each year about the seasons. If enough people ask for a change it probably would happen.Chronic wasting disease has many northern states reversing their baiting laws because there is a better chance that disease could spread in areas where deer congregate around feeders.It's a complex issue.Bottom line right now is to check carefully before you hunt. Your gear will leave with the officer if you are caught hunting over bait.
bent rod
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Also, I thought it was mildly amusing that on page 27 of the 2010 Hunting and Trapping Guide there is a classified ad for deer feeders, it just happens to be in the Deer Hunting section. emoLaugh
