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WLG
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Ohh My!! I guess i should rush over to the nearest Nissian dealer and by me a new electric car!!!!! emoRolleyes
outcaster
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5000 barrels everyday now leaking into the Gulf of Mexico. If I change my oil in my truck and dump the old oil down at Riverpark, I would be lynched. Someone explain the difference to me.
outcaster
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foodsaver - 4/29/2010 12:22 PM
one is accidental and one is on purpose for starters.
Both are completly irresponsible. Offshore drillers CANNOT, repeat CANNOT, allow this to happen......EVER! Guess we'll get an "oops", or a "my bad" from BP
outcaster
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derek81 - 4/29/2010 12:43 PM
Either way it's a bunch of bs! If that hits the coast it's going to be horrible!
Most people think those Oil platforms are waaaaay offshore. They are not. They are just a short boat ride out. This gives new meaning to the term "Blackened Redfish".
Yep! If you've ever been to Gulf shores AL you can see them from the beach, in FL there are, or used to be any way laws that prevented them from being so close to the beach because of al of the tourism, in AL they are something like 10 miles from the shore, you can see them plain as day from the house we used to rent down there.
Im not going to get into politics and im not trying to stir anything up one way or another.
this is a sad situation for sure, but what everyone must remember is all energy has a cost. whether its nuclear plants, coal plants, natural gas plants, electricity, batteries, gasoline, oil, anything. it all has a cost and most of it has an environmental cost or something that involves people dying. think about the coal miners that died a few weeks ago. they were mining coal to burn to make electricity. these guys working this platform where getting oil for cars. both accidents were caused by the worlds hunger for energy. and until someone can figure out a way to produce energy a different way, nothing will change no matter whether they are democratic, republican, or independent.
this is a sad situation for sure, but what everyone must remember is all energy has a cost. whether its nuclear plants, coal plants, natural gas plants, electricity, batteries, gasoline, oil, anything. it all has a cost and most of it has an environmental cost or something that involves people dying. think about the coal miners that died a few weeks ago. they were mining coal to burn to make electricity. these guys working this platform where getting oil for cars. both accidents were caused by the worlds hunger for energy. and until someone can figure out a way to produce energy a different way, nothing will change no matter whether they are democratic, republican, or independent.
jsbelcher2001
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WELL SAID JIM4596, I couldnt have said it better myself...
Possum
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jim4596 - 4/29/2010 4:59 PM
Im not going to get into politics and im not trying to stir anything up one way or another.
this is a sad situation for sure, but what everyone must remember is all energy has a cost. whether its nuclear plants, coal plants, natural gas plants, electricity, batteries, gasoline, oil, anything. it all has a cost and most of it has an environmental cost or something that involves people dying. think about the coal miners that died a few weeks ago. they were mining coal to burn to make electricity. these guys working this platform where getting oil for cars. both accidents were caused by the worlds hunger for energy. and until someone can figure out a way to produce energy a different way, nothing will change no matter whether they are democratic, republican, or independent.
Sad, but true. I feel sorry for the good people down there. Katrina totally destroyed that place, and when I say total I mean it, and now this.
jim4596 - 4/29/2010 4:59 PM
... it all has a cost and most of it has an environmental cost or something that involves people dying....
Point well made. However you did not mention hydropower, wind, or solar; all which have lower cost (IMO). Also their is something that we all can do and that is just plain use less. Conserve energy is not just about energy, it is also about conserving resources and providing for a less bleak future. Okay enough of the soapbox.
Sad thing about the oils spill is it will happen again.
You know its funny you mention those 3 other sources. i was talking about them to a guy yesterday. hydropower is a good source of clean, renewable energy. but the problem with it is its not dependable. one year it rains alot and the next year its a drought. so its hard to depend on it all the time. tva uses it when they can and when there is sufficient rain. but i agree its one of the best ways of generating clean power. you just cant depend on it to power entire cities year round.Bfish - 4/29/2010 7:29 PM
Point well made. However you did not mention hydropower, wind, or solar; all which have lower cost (IMO). Also their is something that we all can do and that is just plain use less. Conserve energy is not just about energy, it is also about conserving resources and providing for a less bleak future. Okay enough of the soapbox.
Sad thing about the oils spill is it will happen again.
as for the wind. its just not there yet. i was talking to an exec at a large power company up north last week. and he basically told me that if it were not for the government subsidies, his company would not be building the wind farms. they are popular right now. but the government is subsidising their construction. they generate approx 1 mw and cost about $1M to build (not counting their maintenance costs). government is chipping in about $600k of the $1M. also their are some issues around them locking up and when they do its not an easy fix. the power companies are just using them as a smoke and mirrors type of thing. in other words when they have them they can carry on with how they are producing "green power." i think tva has a deal now where you can sign up and purchase green power. it costs you more a month and you are getting the same power that everyone else gets (from a nuclear or fossil plant most likely) because there is no way to separate and provide you with different power than is on the line.
solar isnt there yet either and besides, with solar you just about have to use batteries to capture it. and batteries are terrible on the environment when they are disposed of.
so until someone comes up with some new technology to provide energy I just dont see things changing. just my opinion. i just feel sorry for the families that lost folks in the mines and on the platform.
The cost to recoup from wind & solar are NOT feesable..Cost more to build than they will ever produce in power./
nuclear fuel rods only loose 20% of their diameter after they are spent.
As far as the oil spill goes,,,it's VERY BAD, but it is a cost the world must pay for the use of fossil fuels.
The question is ??? what happened?? I'm waiting for a diving shoe bomber to show up..No response from the government, yet.
It took 80 days for the Obama boys to show up or even make a statement. The C-130's were on the ground and they could have spread the chemicals to help dissolve the oil about 7 days ago.
Must've been Bush's fault for sitting around doing nothing, and then again, most of those fishermen are white , which makes them racist.
nuclear fuel rods only loose 20% of their diameter after they are spent.
As far as the oil spill goes,,,it's VERY BAD, but it is a cost the world must pay for the use of fossil fuels.
The question is ??? what happened?? I'm waiting for a diving shoe bomber to show up..No response from the government, yet.
It took 80 days for the Obama boys to show up or even make a statement. The C-130's were on the ground and they could have spread the chemicals to help dissolve the oil about 7 days ago.
Must've been Bush's fault for sitting around doing nothing, and then again, most of those fishermen are white , which makes them racist.
TritonAL186
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Fossil fuses are going to be around for a long time and most of us will not be here to see the change. What happened in the gulf is terrible and could of been avoided , but it wasn't and now we have to live with it and correct the situation. The clean-up has started , maybe not fast enough, but it has started. Will there be an impacted, yes, just like everything else in life but the gulf will survive this one and the oil companies have to do all in their power for this not to happen again. So those of you that would love to pay $6.00 - $ 10.00 a gallon of gas because you hate to drill offshore, you may get your wish this time around.
You know what "Going Green really means". Lets see how much more money we can get out of these Americans. Banks are telling you : Lets go paperless and so is every other company I know. What it really means: Help us save some money on paper and help us reduce our staff. It cuts cost and jobs by not having those individuals printing your statements and mailing it out to you, (if they are concern about cutting down the trees, there is a thing called recycled paper), but in return all your getting is a fee , in most cases for the electronic transaction. I pay an additional $ 10.00 a month to pay my mortgage on the web instead of mailing them a check. Is this ridiculous, it shouldn't cost me a thing for this, but it does and to make things worst, I have called them every month since 1/2/2009 , requesting a paper statement and still have no statement mailed out to me. I'm about to tell them , no statement, I guess no mortgage either, maybe they will get the hint or not.....
Guys don't be fooled by this new 'Going Green Crap " it is nothing more then "Going Clear " back in the early 90's , where they wanted to make everything clear, from shampoo to everything else we use. It didn't work then . Are we polluting the earth, I say somewhat, but not enough to harm it the way most individuals think. Well this is the way an Independent thinks anyway. I'll take alittle information from the Republicans and Democrats and piece it together. This is only my opinion and in no way reflex the opinion of the CFF....... emoLaugh . Got to love this forum.... emoToast
You know what "Going Green really means". Lets see how much more money we can get out of these Americans. Banks are telling you : Lets go paperless and so is every other company I know. What it really means: Help us save some money on paper and help us reduce our staff. It cuts cost and jobs by not having those individuals printing your statements and mailing it out to you, (if they are concern about cutting down the trees, there is a thing called recycled paper), but in return all your getting is a fee , in most cases for the electronic transaction. I pay an additional $ 10.00 a month to pay my mortgage on the web instead of mailing them a check. Is this ridiculous, it shouldn't cost me a thing for this, but it does and to make things worst, I have called them every month since 1/2/2009 , requesting a paper statement and still have no statement mailed out to me. I'm about to tell them , no statement, I guess no mortgage either, maybe they will get the hint or not.....
Guys don't be fooled by this new 'Going Green Crap " it is nothing more then "Going Clear " back in the early 90's , where they wanted to make everything clear, from shampoo to everything else we use. It didn't work then . Are we polluting the earth, I say somewhat, but not enough to harm it the way most individuals think. Well this is the way an Independent thinks anyway. I'll take alittle information from the Republicans and Democrats and piece it together. This is only my opinion and in no way reflex the opinion of the CFF....... emoLaugh . Got to love this forum.... emoToast
TritonAL186
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Eyeman2 - 4/30/2010 10:00 PM
Good Post \TritonAL
No to mention the 11 lives lost and the 11 families + all the friends that are grieving.
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for all those families that are grieving because of the tragic accident, but more people are killed everyday in car related accidents, home robberies, , etc. Families will be grieving all their lives, it's part of life and we have to learn to accept it. We are born, we live and we die, it's a guarantee. Things happen for a reason and sometimes we can't explain why it happened. So should we stop living because of a tragedy ? No one wants to lose a loved one, but it's part of life, plain and simple. I have lost family members and close friends in the past and will lose more in the future and one day I will be gone too, it's the law of God. Live, Love and Die.....
Humans take risks everyday and always will, it's in our system to do so. Now lets stop flying airplanes because it can crash and kill hundreds of people... emoBang . Lets not skydive, stop running your bass boats at 70 plus mph, rock climbing, I could mention a million more things that we should stop doing because we could die doing it..... emoDoh
Sure you can, you just have to build more facilities to generate. Even during a drought year water is still water that is flowing, and TVA (and other utilities) are still generating hydropower, just not as much as wet years. Some of the newer hydrokinetics don't even utilize dams, just the current. Hydro is very dependable, their is a reason that utilities use them as a backup to for their nuclear, coal, oil/gas fired plants. If one of those go offline it maybe hours before they get it back up and running, while in the meantime in a matter of minutes a hydropower plant can be up and running.jim4596 - 4/30/2010 8:15 AM
You know its funny you mention those 3 other sources. i was talking about them to a guy yesterday. hydropower is a good source of clean, renewable energy. but the problem with it is its not dependable. one year it rains alot and the next year its a drought. so its hard to depend on it all the time. tva uses it when they can and when there is sufficient rain. but i agree its one of the best ways of generating clean power. you just cant depend on it to power entire cities year round.
Yeah wind is not cost effective when compared to oil/gas/coal but the environmental cost is way lower. When compared to other "green" energy wind is competitive cost wise, even without being subsidized.as for the wind. its just not there yet. i was talking to an exec at a large power company up north last week. and he basically told me that if it were not for the government subsidies, his company would not be building the wind farms. they are popular right now. but the government is subsidising their construction. they generate approx 1 mw and cost about $1M to build (not counting their maintenance costs). government is chipping in about $600k of the $1M. also their are some issues around them locking up and when they do its not an easy fix. the power companies are just using them as a smoke and mirrors type of thing. in other words when they have them they can carry on with how they are producing "green power." i think tva has a deal now where you can sign up and purchase green power. it costs you more a month and you are getting the same power that everyone else gets (from a nuclear or fossil plant most likely) because there is no way to separate and provide you with different power than is on the line.
That is true of the 1970's solar, not so much anymore. Solar can go directly to the grid and the utilities are required to buy it. Additionally largescale solar is very efficient, they can uses photovoltaics or mirrors and direct that to a steam plant, to turn the turbines similar to oil/gas/nuclear plant works.solar isnt there yet either and besides, with solar you just about have to use batteries to capture it. and batteries are terrible on the environment when they are disposed of.
Technology is good, but reduction in usage will have more robust and more immediate impact, IMO.so until someone comes up with some new technology to provide energy I just dont see things changing. just my opinion.
You may be right Bfish. Just to be honest, I dont know. I just know that I go around working at these power plants and utilities and the only new construction I see is nuclear plants and emission systems on existing coal fired plants and CT's that burn natural gas. In fact i got offered a position with a company up north thats building 2 large CT sites that will be used during peak times. TVA is completing Watts Bar unit 2 and building a CT site right beside John Sevier. nothing much with hydro power. and im not here to defend tva's choices cause we all know how great they are. emoLaugh
Thats where the smart grid technology is going. it will monitor your usage and charge you according to when you use it. in other words running the washing maching, dishwasher, dryer, etc at night will cost you less than running it during the daytime. thats just what i need is someone telling me when i need to run what machine. There will be some things that will be better, but i dont like the idea of monitoring someones usage and charging accordingly. old fashioned i guess. emoLaugh
Thats where the smart grid technology is going. it will monitor your usage and charge you according to when you use it. in other words running the washing maching, dishwasher, dryer, etc at night will cost you less than running it during the daytime. thats just what i need is someone telling me when i need to run what machine. There will be some things that will be better, but i dont like the idea of monitoring someones usage and charging accordingly. old fashioned i guess. emoLaugh
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