Gone fishin
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You may know this but this has made it to the news section of BassFan.com. along with a video of some arial footage.
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Earthen Dam bursts on Clinch
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Ronnie Garrison
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More in the NYTs today - under a banner ad that says "In reality, there is no such thing as clean coal" - no possibility of bias there.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/us/27sludge.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/us/27sludge.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
If this was a privately owned company it would be all over the news, and some poor person would already have been blamed. However, it is a government agency and well you see the problem is not really that bad. It is a disgrace that hardly anyone knows of this. It makes me sick!!!!!!!
cb1340
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I may have overlooked the post for this thread, but ABC nightly news had a story on the spill friday night, i didn't know if anyone else seen it or not... its really horrible seeing the devestation that the ash has done to that area. Whats worse is thinking about the aftereffects for possibly years to come
Carl Guffey
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oops, seem that TVA made a mistake, the initial report of 1.2 million cubic yd's. of waste material released at the Kingston Steam Plant is actually 5.4 million cubic yards. They are now also stating that there are high levels of lead and thallium near the spill. It sounds like TVA is in CYA....
What is thallium?
Pure thallium is a bluish-white metal that is found in trace amounts in the earth's crust. In the past, thallium was obtained as a by-product from smelting other metals; however, it has not been produced in the United States since 1984. Currently, all the thallium is obtained from imports and from thallium reserves.
In its pure form, thallium is odorless and tasteless. It can also be found combined with other substances such as bromine, chlorine, fluorine, and iodine. When it's combined, it appears colorless-to-white or yellow.
What happens to thallium when it enters the environment?
Thallium enters the environment primarily from coal-burning and smelting, in which it is a trace contaminant of the raw materials.
It stays in the air, water, and soil for a long time and is not broken down.
Some thallium compounds are removed from the atmosphere in rain and snow.
It's absorbed by plants and enters the food chain.
It builds up in fish and shellfish.
How might I be exposed to thallium?
Eating food contaminated with thallium may be a major source of exposure for most people.
Breathing workplace air in industries that use thallium.
Smoking cigarettes.
Living near hazardous waste sites containing thallium (may result in higher than normal exposures).
Touching or, for children, eating soil contaminated with thallium.
Breathing low levels in air and water.
How can thallium affect my health?
Exposure to high levels of thallium can result in harmful health effects. A study on workers exposed on the job over several years reported nervous system effects, such as numbness of fingers and toes, from breathing thallium.
Studies in people who ingested large amounts of thallium over a short time have reported vomiting, diarrhea, temporary hair loss, and effects on the nervous system, lungs, heart, liver, and kidneys. It has caused death. It is not known what the effects are from ingesting low levels of thallium over a long time.
Birth defects were not reported in the children of mothers exposed to low levels from eating vegetables and fruits contaminated with thallium. Studies in rats, however, exposed to high levels of thallium, showed adverse developmental effects.
It is not known if breathing or ingesting thallium affects human reproduction. Studies showed that rats that ingested thallium for several weeks had some adverse reproductive effects. Animal data suggest that the male reproductive system may be susceptible to damage by low levels of thallium.
What is thallium?
Pure thallium is a bluish-white metal that is found in trace amounts in the earth's crust. In the past, thallium was obtained as a by-product from smelting other metals; however, it has not been produced in the United States since 1984. Currently, all the thallium is obtained from imports and from thallium reserves.
In its pure form, thallium is odorless and tasteless. It can also be found combined with other substances such as bromine, chlorine, fluorine, and iodine. When it's combined, it appears colorless-to-white or yellow.
What happens to thallium when it enters the environment?
Thallium enters the environment primarily from coal-burning and smelting, in which it is a trace contaminant of the raw materials.
It stays in the air, water, and soil for a long time and is not broken down.
Some thallium compounds are removed from the atmosphere in rain and snow.
It's absorbed by plants and enters the food chain.
It builds up in fish and shellfish.
How might I be exposed to thallium?
Eating food contaminated with thallium may be a major source of exposure for most people.
Breathing workplace air in industries that use thallium.
Smoking cigarettes.
Living near hazardous waste sites containing thallium (may result in higher than normal exposures).
Touching or, for children, eating soil contaminated with thallium.
Breathing low levels in air and water.
How can thallium affect my health?
Exposure to high levels of thallium can result in harmful health effects. A study on workers exposed on the job over several years reported nervous system effects, such as numbness of fingers and toes, from breathing thallium.
Studies in people who ingested large amounts of thallium over a short time have reported vomiting, diarrhea, temporary hair loss, and effects on the nervous system, lungs, heart, liver, and kidneys. It has caused death. It is not known what the effects are from ingesting low levels of thallium over a long time.
Birth defects were not reported in the children of mothers exposed to low levels from eating vegetables and fruits contaminated with thallium. Studies in rats, however, exposed to high levels of thallium, showed adverse developmental effects.
It is not known if breathing or ingesting thallium affects human reproduction. Studies showed that rats that ingested thallium for several weeks had some adverse reproductive effects. Animal data suggest that the male reproductive system may be susceptible to damage by low levels of thallium.
MSBG Jake
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OK, I don't normally voice myself in this manner but here it goes....like Carl said
"oops, seem that TVA made a mistake, the initial report of 1.2 million cubic yd's. of waste material released at the Kingston Steam Plant is actually 5.4 million cubic yards. They are now also stating that there are high levels of lead and thallium near the spill. It sounds like TVA is in CYA...."
I just finished looking at the websites for BASS/ESPN, TBF, FLW Outdoors, PPA, and a few other boards...the only thing I found was on the TBF website (TN TBF) in the message board stating this happened...it is totally unacceptable that these organizations whom 90% of us pay membership dues to are not all over this situation...this disaster has the potential to effect EVERY lake in the chain...from Watts Bar to the Ohio River. Yes, this situation could and most likely will make the Valdez accident look like childs play...
With that said I asking that everyone make their voices heard...flood BASS/TBF/PPA/FLW with emails or calls to get involved and get some oversight on this before they absolutely destory this waterway for decades to come. Unless you feel two vacum trucks 12 hours per day are sufficent...it seems the TVA is more concerned with protecting the water intakes upstream from the disaster....
Again, I ask that everyone makes his/her voice heard....
***I copied the below items from the TVA Website****
Water Quality
TVA continues to manage river flows on the Clinch and Tennessee Rivers to minimize impact on recovery and monitoring activities associated with the ash release as well as minimize the possibility of water from the plant flowing past the Kingston water supply intake. (See Kingston water information)
Kingston water supply intake is located on the Tennessee River about one half mile upstream from its confluence with the Clinch River coming from the Kingston Fossil Plant. TVA has maintained flow at 24,000 cubic feet per second or greater between Fort Loudon and Watts Bar throughout the week (since 7 a.m. on December 21). This flow down the Tennessee River through the Kingston area is expected to keep ash that might be flowing down the Clinch River from moving upstream toward the water intake.
Samples closest to the Kingston water treatment plant meet requirements for primary drinking water standards. (See sample data) TVA and other agencies will continue to monitor for contaminants in the river.
Results of water sampling indicate that the concentrations of sampled contaminants were below levels established by the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation to protect fish and aquatic life.
Cenospheres
The residue floating on top of the water is called cenospheres. Cenospheres are inert, hollow balls of sand-like material. Cenospheres are not harmful to the environment. Like dust, they can cause common irritations such as watering of the eyes. Similarly, they may cause sneezing or coughing if inhaled.
These lightweight, rigid, waterproof materials are useful in a variety of products, primarily as fillers. Manufacturing uses include bowling balls, paint, concrete, and epoxy foam.
The cenospheres are being removed from the water. About 3000 feet of skimmer booms are in place to contain the cenospheres on the water surface. Additional booms are being placed in the water. Two vacuum trucks, located on a flat barge, are operating 12 hours per day to remove the cenospheres.
Roadway and Railway Cleanup
Public access on Swan Pond Road past the Kingston plant remains closed except for residents and persons with official business. Though there is no estimate for when the road will reopen, about 1500 feet of Swan Pond Road and Swan Pond Circle have been cleared of debris. Almost 900 feet of the railroad tracks have also been cleared of debris.
An aerial survey completed on December 24 shows that about 5.4 million cubic yards of ash has been displaced. Along with a more accurate determination of the volume of ash released, the aerial survey verified that ash covers less area that originally estimated. The displaced ash covers slightly less than 300 acres.
Some of the remaining dry ash about 370 feet from Swan Pond Road in the storage area is expected to fall away from the edge of the remaining ash pile. This will help to level off the remaining ash. Due to the distance from the roadway and the relative dryness of the ash, no effects outside the area of the ash retention area are expected.
"oops, seem that TVA made a mistake, the initial report of 1.2 million cubic yd's. of waste material released at the Kingston Steam Plant is actually 5.4 million cubic yards. They are now also stating that there are high levels of lead and thallium near the spill. It sounds like TVA is in CYA...."
I just finished looking at the websites for BASS/ESPN, TBF, FLW Outdoors, PPA, and a few other boards...the only thing I found was on the TBF website (TN TBF) in the message board stating this happened...it is totally unacceptable that these organizations whom 90% of us pay membership dues to are not all over this situation...this disaster has the potential to effect EVERY lake in the chain...from Watts Bar to the Ohio River. Yes, this situation could and most likely will make the Valdez accident look like childs play...
With that said I asking that everyone make their voices heard...flood BASS/TBF/PPA/FLW with emails or calls to get involved and get some oversight on this before they absolutely destory this waterway for decades to come. Unless you feel two vacum trucks 12 hours per day are sufficent...it seems the TVA is more concerned with protecting the water intakes upstream from the disaster....
Again, I ask that everyone makes his/her voice heard....
***I copied the below items from the TVA Website****
Water Quality
TVA continues to manage river flows on the Clinch and Tennessee Rivers to minimize impact on recovery and monitoring activities associated with the ash release as well as minimize the possibility of water from the plant flowing past the Kingston water supply intake. (See Kingston water information)
Kingston water supply intake is located on the Tennessee River about one half mile upstream from its confluence with the Clinch River coming from the Kingston Fossil Plant. TVA has maintained flow at 24,000 cubic feet per second or greater between Fort Loudon and Watts Bar throughout the week (since 7 a.m. on December 21). This flow down the Tennessee River through the Kingston area is expected to keep ash that might be flowing down the Clinch River from moving upstream toward the water intake.
Samples closest to the Kingston water treatment plant meet requirements for primary drinking water standards. (See sample data) TVA and other agencies will continue to monitor for contaminants in the river.
Results of water sampling indicate that the concentrations of sampled contaminants were below levels established by the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation to protect fish and aquatic life.
Cenospheres
The residue floating on top of the water is called cenospheres. Cenospheres are inert, hollow balls of sand-like material. Cenospheres are not harmful to the environment. Like dust, they can cause common irritations such as watering of the eyes. Similarly, they may cause sneezing or coughing if inhaled.
These lightweight, rigid, waterproof materials are useful in a variety of products, primarily as fillers. Manufacturing uses include bowling balls, paint, concrete, and epoxy foam.
The cenospheres are being removed from the water. About 3000 feet of skimmer booms are in place to contain the cenospheres on the water surface. Additional booms are being placed in the water. Two vacuum trucks, located on a flat barge, are operating 12 hours per day to remove the cenospheres.
Roadway and Railway Cleanup
Public access on Swan Pond Road past the Kingston plant remains closed except for residents and persons with official business. Though there is no estimate for when the road will reopen, about 1500 feet of Swan Pond Road and Swan Pond Circle have been cleared of debris. Almost 900 feet of the railroad tracks have also been cleared of debris.
An aerial survey completed on December 24 shows that about 5.4 million cubic yards of ash has been displaced. Along with a more accurate determination of the volume of ash released, the aerial survey verified that ash covers less area that originally estimated. The displaced ash covers slightly less than 300 acres.
Some of the remaining dry ash about 370 feet from Swan Pond Road in the storage area is expected to fall away from the edge of the remaining ash pile. This will help to level off the remaining ash. Due to the distance from the roadway and the relative dryness of the ash, no effects outside the area of the ash retention area are expected.
Carl Guffey
Well-known member
Snuffy, I agree that I don't like the comparison myself. The Valdez had an immediate and viewable adverse situation for wildlife in Alaska. The problem with this scenario is that the chemicals here are not viewable and have a much more sinister affect to mankind and wildlife. Added to this is that it is quite clear that TVA is playing CYA, not, let's look at this in it's most dreadful scenario and do our best to make sure the public is protected. The chemicals from that pit has been leaching into the water supply of that area for thirty years in small amounts, at 5.4 million cubic yards and an unknown amount of waste water, I would call that an <u>environmental disaster</u>.
MSBG Jake
Well-known member
Actually Snuffy...I believe this could/might ((God willing will not)) have a greater effect than Exxon Valdez...think about it the river system (damns are still spilling are not they))...Clinch River to the Chick, Nickajack, Guntersville, Wheeler....water supply for 3 or 4 dozen cities...wildlife that drink from the system...what about the people who eat wild game, not just the fish ((oh I'm sure there will be a "Warning" or "Fish advisory")) but hope you order your steak from Wisconsin...
I do not mean to blow this out of shape...but people had better speak up and start looking at the "Big Picture". This will not simply effect Kingston TN, but everyone down stream...so much for not my city or area
It gets better....copied from the WKRN News 2 website....Its now a BILLION Gallons of coal ash
KINGSTON, Tenn. (AP) - The CEO and president of the nation's largest public utility made a promise to address the health and safety concerns of a community near a major coal ash spill in eastern Tennessee.
Tom Kilgore, who heads the Tennessee Valley Authority, said Sunday the utility will pay to test local wells for contamination and would start air quality testing.
Kilgore spoke to hundreds of residents who gathered Sunday to get answers about the environmental and economic impact of Monday's spill.
More than a billion gallons of coal fly ash spilled from a pond at a TVA coal plant, flooding a neighborhood in Harriman and dumping a mix of ash and water in the Emory River, causing residents of nearby Kingston to worry about their drinking water.
TVA has said the water is safe to drink.
emoBang
I do not mean to blow this out of shape...but people had better speak up and start looking at the "Big Picture". This will not simply effect Kingston TN, but everyone down stream...so much for not my city or area
It gets better....copied from the WKRN News 2 website....Its now a BILLION Gallons of coal ash
KINGSTON, Tenn. (AP) - The CEO and president of the nation's largest public utility made a promise to address the health and safety concerns of a community near a major coal ash spill in eastern Tennessee.
Tom Kilgore, who heads the Tennessee Valley Authority, said Sunday the utility will pay to test local wells for contamination and would start air quality testing.
Kilgore spoke to hundreds of residents who gathered Sunday to get answers about the environmental and economic impact of Monday's spill.
More than a billion gallons of coal fly ash spilled from a pond at a TVA coal plant, flooding a neighborhood in Harriman and dumping a mix of ash and water in the Emory River, causing residents of nearby Kingston to worry about their drinking water.
TVA has said the water is safe to drink.
emoBang
Fishin Fool
Well-known member
I have to take the side of folks like Carl and SWL Jake. Oceans can recover fairly quickly from oil spills and even the effects of pollution spills. The Bikini Islands are a prime example of that recovery. Rivers, because of the relatively smaller amounts of water in comparison tend to concentrate toxins and heavy metals, rather than disperse them. Either way you look at it, big disaster, or little disaster it's sad to see it happen in this day and age. I am amazed at the media coverage (not much) of something that will eventually effect so many people, not to mention the wildlife and fish.
hooker771
Well-known member
This is not good! Arsenic is never a good word.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/29/tennessee.sludge/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/29/tennessee.sludge/index.html
Bprice
Well-known member
I saw it first hand two days ago while I was in Kingston visiting my grandparents. It is unreal and scary.
I understand your concern Carl..... as Conservation Director it is somewhat your job to oversee the situation and inform . And SWL ...everybody hates that this happened...especially TVA for whatever reasons you may think they have.
Now which is more alarming.....1 BILLION or 5.6 Million.......????
" do not mean to blow this out of shape...but people had better speak up and start looking at the "Big Picture". This will not simply effect Kingston TN, but everyone down stream...so much for not my city or area
"It gets better....copied from the WKRN News 2 website....Its now a BILLION Gallons of coal ash "
It`s not a common practice to label solids in gallons....But it sure does make the common reader think.... OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!
Now let me ask you this .......would you rather have 1000 gallons of crude oil dumped on you lawn........or a a hundred cubic yards of sand. Which do you think is going to do the most damage. I`ll take the ash anytime.
Carl you`re talking about a handful of elements that occur naturally in the ground and have been running out of ground around the deposits of coal...even the stuff that hasn`t been mined....... literally forever.
I have worked around this ash for 35 years and it really is a solid once the water is drained albeit a finely grained solid. I`ve waded in it to my knees wet and my crotch when dry. It is very fine ....much finer than sand. It will go thru jeans ......Nasty stuff.
Once they pile it up and if the water drains off you can walk on it in a few days. You can`t hardly move it with a 2 inch firehose. They mix it with concrete. OH MY ..that nasty stuff may be in the walls of my house !!!!
I guess my point is ....to compare this to the EXXON spill is ludicrous.
Carl you can`t list all the crappy chemicals in oil on this page.
How many different groups do you think are monitoring the drinking water. not just TVA !
TWRA says there hasn`t been a significant fish kill yet.
I`m going say that Tva will recover 95 % of the ash and the affected homeowners will be made whole plus some .
Terry I understand your concern about the dilution factor.....the Tennesse River runs into the Clinch about 3-4 miles below the mouth of the Emory River . That`s a whole lot of water. At the rate the ash will trickle in now that the initial surge is over I don`t really think you`ll see a significant change downstream.
TVA is doing about all you can to contain the ash and Kilgore said it would not be returned to the same type of storage system....maybe they`ll come up with a good way of managing it and that will be an upside.
Personally I worry more about the chemicals and Nuclear crappola from the Oak Ridge Nuclear facilities that`s soaked into the ground UPSTREAM of the Emory in the Clinch !!! We don`t really know all there is to know about that......It`s classified.
We all love having relatively cheap power and we like to shake our finger at the EVILDOOERS (?) around the world and us hillbillies just loved hosting all this stuff........ sometimes you have to pay the bill. Could be worse !
Now which is more alarming.....1 BILLION or 5.6 Million.......????
" do not mean to blow this out of shape...but people had better speak up and start looking at the "Big Picture". This will not simply effect Kingston TN, but everyone down stream...so much for not my city or area
"It gets better....copied from the WKRN News 2 website....Its now a BILLION Gallons of coal ash "
It`s not a common practice to label solids in gallons....But it sure does make the common reader think.... OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!
Now let me ask you this .......would you rather have 1000 gallons of crude oil dumped on you lawn........or a a hundred cubic yards of sand. Which do you think is going to do the most damage. I`ll take the ash anytime.
Carl you`re talking about a handful of elements that occur naturally in the ground and have been running out of ground around the deposits of coal...even the stuff that hasn`t been mined....... literally forever.
I have worked around this ash for 35 years and it really is a solid once the water is drained albeit a finely grained solid. I`ve waded in it to my knees wet and my crotch when dry. It is very fine ....much finer than sand. It will go thru jeans ......Nasty stuff.
Once they pile it up and if the water drains off you can walk on it in a few days. You can`t hardly move it with a 2 inch firehose. They mix it with concrete. OH MY ..that nasty stuff may be in the walls of my house !!!!
I guess my point is ....to compare this to the EXXON spill is ludicrous.
Carl you can`t list all the crappy chemicals in oil on this page.
How many different groups do you think are monitoring the drinking water. not just TVA !
TWRA says there hasn`t been a significant fish kill yet.
I`m going say that Tva will recover 95 % of the ash and the affected homeowners will be made whole plus some .
Terry I understand your concern about the dilution factor.....the Tennesse River runs into the Clinch about 3-4 miles below the mouth of the Emory River . That`s a whole lot of water. At the rate the ash will trickle in now that the initial surge is over I don`t really think you`ll see a significant change downstream.
TVA is doing about all you can to contain the ash and Kilgore said it would not be returned to the same type of storage system....maybe they`ll come up with a good way of managing it and that will be an upside.
Personally I worry more about the chemicals and Nuclear crappola from the Oak Ridge Nuclear facilities that`s soaked into the ground UPSTREAM of the Emory in the Clinch !!! We don`t really know all there is to know about that......It`s classified.
We all love having relatively cheap power and we like to shake our finger at the EVILDOOERS (?) around the world and us hillbillies just loved hosting all this stuff........ sometimes you have to pay the bill. Could be worse !
Fuzzy
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Valdez = 11 million gallons of oil Kingston = 1 billion gallons: Valdez - 1200 miles of shoreline affected, Kingston- 400 acres and about 5 miles (so far) I think both points are valid, but I live downstream on Watts Bar and sent my well water to go get tested. I am not getting it tested from Roane County or the State of Tennessee but someone of my choice. I want a "standard" for a future reference...in about 4-6 months, for the same reason Snuffy has a problem about the "Oak Ridge Nuclear" facilities. I don't believe anyone did things on purpose, how many of us used to blow out brake drums and paint cars or things with no masks when we were younger? We just didn't know. I do disagree with TWRA stating there wasn't a significant fish kill, this will effect Watts for a long time and you can only measure what is on the surface. Anyone want to take bets when the first birds start to die eating the fish? It's a shame and accountability needs to be enforced, but there will be time for that. I do notice they were starting to cleanup below Kingston today...and it appears the first dredge has arrived.
Carl Guffey
Well-known member
Snuffy, I thought I made it clear, I didn't liken this accident to the Valdez. I was just reporting what was quoted by several news agencies at the time. As for keeping up to date: Today EPA states: Test results show high levels of Arsenic and area residents are told not to drink the water from their wells until all wells have been tested.
As for conservation, several spawning areas on the emory, clinch, and tennessee have been affected and I hope to see TVA follow through and rebuild everything including but not limited too, spawning and nursery areas.
One other note: I just can not wait until they start dredging, wonder where all of the effluent from the clam shells will go..... emoAngel
As for conservation, several spawning areas on the emory, clinch, and tennessee have been affected and I hope to see TVA follow through and rebuild everything including but not limited too, spawning and nursery areas.
One other note: I just can not wait until they start dredging, wonder where all of the effluent from the clam shells will go..... emoAngel
MSBG Jake
Well-known member
Snuffy, Please I think/sense you feel I'm targeting TVA...not so. This is why I normally don't comment on these items because people read to much into it... As a avid angler in the mid south I believe when we don't get the whole story and the story continues to change for the worse...it's our responsiblity to raise the flag of concern. My point originally was to get outside agencies involved...to act as a checks and balance. The only press release that TDEC put out was it happened and they are formulating a plan? Mr Kilgore and the TVA can't seem to get the story striaght....today they announced that arsenic is present at levels not harmful to humans...two days ago there was not real danger what so ever. Second, I feel this is much more important of a situation than what we watched on the news tonight (someone fell off a cruse ship??) only one national news channel said anything about it....do I believe this could turn out to be worse than the Valdez...yep...but we will not know for several years...
You stated.....We all love having relatively cheap power and we like to shake our finger at the EVILDOOERS (?) around the world and us hillbillies just loved hosting all this stuff........ sometimes you have to pay the bill. Could be worse !
Yes Sir, we all love relatively cheap power and it could be worse...But please don't tell me that after serving 20 plus years protecting this country that we are all to be like sheep and simply follow/believe what a CEO of a given company says...this power just got a lot more expensive and I'm not talking about money either.
Snuffy, if I have offend you or anyone else on the CFF...I sincerly appologize
You stated.....We all love having relatively cheap power and we like to shake our finger at the EVILDOOERS (?) around the world and us hillbillies just loved hosting all this stuff........ sometimes you have to pay the bill. Could be worse !
Yes Sir, we all love relatively cheap power and it could be worse...But please don't tell me that after serving 20 plus years protecting this country that we are all to be like sheep and simply follow/believe what a CEO of a given company says...this power just got a lot more expensive and I'm not talking about money either.
Snuffy, if I have offend you or anyone else on the CFF...I sincerly appologize
G
Guest
Guest
This whole mess will change from day to day, TVA will change from day to day, it will get worse before it gets better. The only way to get this disaster taken care of is to keep it in the press. When I first heard about this spill TVA said it would take 3 or 4 weeks to get it cleaned up but I now think it will take that many years if it finally gets done. The head honchos at TVA probably heard about this spill just like the rest of us, on the news. At first "they" said the drinking water was ok now today they are saying that low levels of arsenic is in the water, I wonder what gets told tomorrow or next week or next month? Stay tuned and hear the rest of the story.
G
Guest
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Here is another link to this story, it don't sound good.</p>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/us/30sludge.html?ref=us</p>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/us/30sludge.html?ref=us</p>
G
Guest
Guest
Hopefully they will be required to place coffer dams and remove the ash/soils in the dry. If allowed to do remediate in the wet they should at least use suction dredges, not clamshells. Also all water pumped off will have to go to renention ponds.One other note: I just can not wait until they start dredging, wonder where all of the effluent from the clam shells will go..... emoAngel
G
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Doc1 - 12/30/2008 2:31 AM
Here is another link to this story, it don't sound good.</p>
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/us/30sludge.html?ref=us</p>
Just from last year, WOW that is alot of dangerous stuff. Especially when you consider that the fly ash is stored there from many many years.45,000 pounds of arsenic, 49,000 pounds of lead, 1.4 million pounds of barium, 91,000 pounds of chromium and 140,000 pounds of manganese.
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