Friend wants to buy a Glock

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Bill Cornwell - 3/8/2008 11:39 PM

beetlespin - 3/8/2008 9:37 PM

My 40 cal P226 has a safety.

My .40 229 has a safety also, it's called a hammer drop safety and ALL Sigs have one. With a Glock, if there is a round in the chamber, the hammer is cocked with no way to de-cock it if a loaded mag in in the weapon. They are single action pistols all the time and Cheez is wrong if he thinks they're like a wheel gun.

You are right Mister Cromwell I was wrong about the Glock being like a wheel gun. Glocks are MUCH safer because of the trigger detent. Wheel guns can be fired with the very tip of the finger while the Glock has to have a full finger on the trigger. Glocks are DOUBLE action all the time. Glock pistols require approximately seven pounds of force to discharge. Single action revolvers require 3 to 5 pounds of force to discharge.
Other than the 1911 the Glock is the most copied pistol in the world. Smith and Wesson has come out with the M & P and Springfield has the XD. Both of these have the same trigger as the Glock and their sales are going through the roof.

Bill

 

[hoggerhead]

cheez - 3/9/2008 7:04 AM

Bill Cornwell - 3/8/2008 11:39 PM

beetlespin - 3/8/2008 9:37 PM

My 40 cal P226 has a safety.

My .40 229 has a safety also, it's called a hammer drop safety and ALL Sigs have one. With a Glock, if there is a round in the chamber, the hammer is cocked with no way to de-cock it if a loaded mag in in the weapon. They are single action pistols all the time and Cheez is wrong if he thinks they're like a wheel gun.

You are right Mister Cromwell I was wrong about the Glock being like a wheel gun. Glocks are MUCH safer because of the trigger detent. Wheel guns can be fired with the very tip of the finger while the Glock has to have a full finger on the trigger. Glocks are DOUBLE action all the time. Glock pistols require approximately seven pounds of force to discharge. Single action revolvers require 3 to 5 pounds of force to discharge.
Other than the 1911 the Glock is the most copied pistol in the world. Smith and Wesson has come out with the M & P and Springfield has the XD. Both of these have the same trigger as the Glock and their sales are going through the roof.

Bill

 

[hoggerhead]

Bill Cornwell - 3/8/2008 11:39 PM

beetlespin - 3/8/2008 9:37 PM

My 40 cal P226 has a safety.

My .40 229 has a safety also, it's called a hammer drop safety and ALL Sigs have one. With a Glock, if there is a round in the chamber, the hammer is cocked with no way to de-cock it if a loaded mag in in the weapon. They are single action pistols all the time and Cheez is wrong if he thinks they're like a wheel gun.

Bill

Either way on the glock, all you have to do is pull the trigger. On my ruger, you can pull the trigger all you want with a round in the chamber. BUT, it will not fire unless the safety is manually turned off.

 

[hooker771]

Who would of thought that wanting to buy a gun could turn into a "hot" topic. I think its my first. Woo Hoo, I think,

Either way it put me with Spur and now im going to buy his ruger, and with all the info I am looking to buy another pistol with a bit more punch for around 400$. Anyone got a good Smith and Wesson they want to part with?

 

[hooker771]

Who would of thought that wanting to buy a gun could turn into a "hot" topic. I think its my first. Woo Hoo, I think,

Either way it put me with Spur and now im going to buy his ruger, and with all the info I am looking to buy another pistol with a bit more punch for around 400$. Anyone got a good Smith and Wesson or beretta they want to part with?

 

[mmarcum6]

My main thing with a gun I carry is not having to worry about messing with a safety when I need the weapon to perform. This is just a personal thing and I don't intend to try and force this on anyone else. I also carry a Ruger sp 101 357. It depends upon my mood and the clothing I'm wearing for that day. I will agree that SIG makes a fine gun, but personally feel the are a little over priced. I won't knock any one for their choices as there are a lot of very well made handguns out there including Ruger, Berretta, and Browning just to name a few.

This could be like the Ford Vs. Chevy thing and to each his own.

 

[Aries 181]

Sorry cheez, you're wrong again. Glocks are single action pistols period!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have $100.00 in my wallet to the first person that can show me that a Glock pistol is anything other than a single action pistol. Any takers??????????????

Bill

 

[hooker771]

Can you both be right?
GLOCK

While the Glock pistol might more accurately be described as "single-and-a-half-action only," the Glock pistol was one of the first to use the Double Action Only-style action with an internal striker rather than an exposed hammer. In operation, the Glock striker is half-cocked when the slide is racked, allowing the shooter to take advantage of a lighter but still uniform trigger pull. the Glock's trigger pull is approximately 5 to 8 pounds, as opposed to most DAO pistols with a 10- to 12-pound trigger pull.

Glock pistols are made with a black polymer frame and come chambered in 9mm standard (17 + 1) and compact (15 + 1) and .45 ACP (13 + 1). Glock also makes a competition version of the 9mm full-size pistol for sport shooting with an extended barrel, designated the 17L.

 

[hooker771]

More info http://www.borelliconsulting.com/evals/guns/g17c.htm

Let's get through some of the basic stuff first, and then we can discuss some of the practical applications I put the Glock through during that course at Blackwater. There are those who think that the Glock 17 carried the tag number "17" because it held 17 rounds of 9mm ammo. I was taught in armorer school that is incorrect. I was told that it was simply Dr. Glock's 17th patent and therefore became the Glock 17. That aside, the weapon's magazine capacity is 17 rounds. The barrel length is 4.5" and, like all Glocks, uses the "safe action" system. Now I've heard it argued that the safe action system is all single action. I've also heard it argued that it's double action. Let's think about this for just a minute... With a single action handgun, you have to manually cock the hammer because pulling the trigger performs a single action: it drops the hammer. With a double action handgun, pulling the trigger does two things: it cocks the hammer and drops the hammer - thus it performs a double action. Since there is no hammer on a Glock pistol, how do you qualify it?

When you pull the trigger of any Glock, the trigger bar applies pressure to the back of the firing pin, moving it rearward and loading pressure into the firing pin spring. When you reach a certain point, the trigger bar runs into the connector. As you continue to pull the trigger, the connector forces the trigger bar down so that it releases the firing pin which moves forward under the pressure of the firing pin spring to fire the cartridge. I never understood why Glock called that one piece the "connector" when it actually disconnects the trigger bar from the firing pin, but who am I? Back to the topic at hand: to my way of thinking, the "safe action" system closely resembles a double action trigger system: by pulling the trigger you essentially cock the firing pin and then release it, performing two actions with a single pull of the trigger. So, if I have to refer to it as one or the other, I'd call it double action.

 

[Aries 181]

Pull the trigger on any unloaded Glock and it goes click, pull the trigger again and it does nothing. Pull the trigger on any unloaded Sig and it goes click, pull the trigger again and it goes click. pull it a hundred times, it goes click. That is the difference between single and double action pistols.

An older model Browning High-Power has an exposed hammer but even with a round in the chamber it will not fire until the hammer is cocked. The same goes for M1911 model .45 pistols, cock it or it won't shoot. That is unless you drop them on the hammer so always carry them on half cock or cocked and locked.

Bill

 

[beetlespin]

Boy this has been a really fun one to watch and read. I have to say though that I believe Mr. Cornwell is correct.
Lance

 

[mmarcum6]

Going on what hooker said I guess you could consider a glock with the slide racked as half cocked. In this condition it would be single action, but if the slide has not been racked it would be considered double action. In my limited thinking I guess it depends on what condition you carry the weapon. I carry mine in my belt slide holster with the action open a lot and have learned to drop the slide as I bring the weapon into the shooting position. If the above is considered I'm carrying it double action as it requires two things to make the trigger fire the weapon. If I were to cock the the weapon and then place it in the slide it would require only one action to fire the weapon. Dang this is confussing. LOL I consider my weapon as to the state it is at the ready. If I need to cock it it is double action, and If I simply need to point and pull it is single action. The condition I carry mint to me would be some where between the two by personal choice. If you want to get technical disarming the safety on a SIG requires one action and pulling the trigger requires the second. We can do this all day, and it is a matter of opinion.

 

[buzz]

There is a Glock in todays freepress for sale. Don't remember the model.