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TWRA stocking lakes with Florida bass
Tuesday, August 28, 2001 at 12:00am

Hopefully, some 875,000 Florida bass will be stocked into Chickamauga Lake to enhance the bass fishery, according to the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency.

If I recall correctly, TWRA stocked Florida bass in Kentucky Lake a few years ago, however, nothing has been reported on the success of the stocking as yet.

The one thing biologists stress is the importance of limited aquatic vegetation in the success of the stocking program.

In other words such growth as milfoil, hydrilla, and weeds most anglers refer to as "snake weed".

TWRA last year initiated the five-year evaluation of stocking Florida bass in Chickamauga Reservoir and stocked 191,000 yearlings, one-to-three inches. This year's stocking has been completed and an additional 157,516 fingerlings were introduced to the reservoir.

TWRA furnished 117,516 fingerlings in 2001 and 40,000 more fish were purchased through a partnership with bass fishing clubs in the Chattanooga area.

Mike Jolley, TWRA Region lll Fisheries Biologist commented, "We will be monitoring survival and overall contribution of stocked fish over the five year study period."

Prior to the original stocking of the Florida largemouth bass in the spring of 2000, a small sample largemouth bass from Chickamauga was collected. Genetic studies were performed on this fish sample to determine the current genetic characteristics of the existing largemouth population in Chickamauga.

"With this information in hand, when the Florida largemouth start reproducing with the pre-stocking population, we will be able to tell the amount of integration that has taken place between the two populations," Jolley explained. The genetic testing will be performed on an annual basis on Chickamauga.

"The role aquatic vegetation plays in this mixture is most important," according to TWRA Chief of Fisheries, Bill Reeves. The largemouth bass population on Chickamauga Lake, as well as many other surrounding reservoirs, has seen a reduction in numbers compared to the years when milfoil was abundant in the various reservoirs. Milfoil disappeared from Chickamauga, as it did in Kentucky Lake. Chickamauga lost its milfoil in the late 1980's.

"Many years have gone by with no or minimal amounts of aquatic vegetation in Chickamauga. However, at present, several species of aquatic vegetation are making a fair comeback. This will be very beneficial to black bass populations and many other types of fish that inhabit Chickamauga. Hopefully, aquatic vegetation in Chickamauga will maintain a healthy level which provides a much-needed habitat for many fish," Jolley said.

With the same luck, Kentucky Lake will benefit from the stocking of Florida bass and the returning growth of milfoil and other aquatic vegetation.

TWRA biologists have been recently working with Chickamauga Lake stakeholders including bass fishermen, private dock owners, and marinas. "We are discussing alternative methods available for aquatic vegetation management on Chickamauga," according to TWRA Fisheries Habitat biologist, Kirk Miles.

One of the primary complaints from stakeholders involves the aquatic vegetation that tends to grow in shallow water and navigation access. Many homeowners with docks and commercial marinas are experiencing problems when traveling to and from their docks. The aquatic plants can become entangled in boat propellers and limit swimming in some areas.

"On the plus side, the aquatic vegetation provides oxygen and can filter the water by trapping sediment while providing cover, protection, and a source of food from insects and small fish that gather around aquatic vegetation. Stakeholders have three options presently. They can kill the plants using an herbicide, cut and remove the plants using a mechanical harvester, or cut the plants with a mechanical cutter, " Miles said.

Let's keep our fingers crossed and hopefully, these Florida-strain bass will grow into trophy largemouth that'll stretch a lot of angler
 
<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">Yes, there were fish stocked into Chickamauga Lake. But when TWRA went back to sample the only thing they found were bluegill,catfish,drum, and black bass filled to the brim with fingerlings. The fingerlings were released into waters with very little available habitat and they basically became fish food for the predators. All of the bass were marked for easy identification and no fish have been found with this ID or genetic DNA.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The quality fish being caught currently on Chickamauga are Northern strain that have had the availability of cover and high amounts of forage. The current record for largemouth bass in Tennessee is a little over 14 lbs. If the Florida strain stockings had done any good on the lake, we would have seen fish into the 16 to 18 lb. range in 10 years. Especially with the available forage base.</font></p>
 
your right churly it just makes me mad i went through the first weed kill in the 80's now they are talking weed kill again i would like to see the florida strain flourish here
 
I contributed $50 to that first stocking years ago. I remember the local TV coverage of the release. The release was done at several ramps around the lake.
 
We should seriously consider getting this going again. I think we are in a natural cycle that will eventually cycle back down, and we could counter act this by doing some supplemental stocking. I think this would be a great year to start as we had many eggs eaten by the ants late last week, and I am worried that population recruitment will be low this year.

I would suggest stocking larger fingerlings in early summer and I say we hand volunteers bags of the fingerlings to run out and distribute around the lake, not on boat ramps. I know there has been no proof that our current population has no FLA genetics, but time and time again, I catch largemouth that look a bit different from the others with shorter stalkier bodies and smaller mouths??? The stocking of FLA bass has been very successful in many water ways, including the area KVD won the classic out of this year...
 
<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">Be careful what you wish for. Florida strain have a couple of problems with being this far north. One, everytime a cold front passes they have a complete shut down. Two, the inbreeding with northern strain will push the fish type back to the genetic style that has already adapted to this area. This was proven in Indiana, the first and native strain of Floridawill be large fish, the first projeny(F1) will start reverting back to the style of fish best suited to survive when they cross with northern strain. Your monies would be better spent providing ample habitat so that the native fish have plenty of forage and quaility water to live in. Also a fishing trip to Florida, Mexico, or California where you can catch pure Florida strain in the twenty pound range due to genetics and longer growing seasons.</font>
 
ok ill open the can..... i was one of the tackle shops involved in this stocking program and yes indeed when the stocking was done as madbomber said it took place all over the lake ,with that said i have fished lakes all over, as many of you have,and i have yet to have one jump in the boat and say " I AM A FLORIDA STRAIN STOCKED BASS" I like a others was fortunate enough to fish the grass in its hey day and yes we ripped em for a few yrs after that ....then if you caught five that weighed 8 # you got a decent check...now the grass is comming around again the weights are back up....if you think the stocking program didnt work at all i have some ocean front prime property to sell you......my two cents emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh
 
dunk - 4/28/2011 7:33 PM

ok ill open the can..... i was one of the tackle shops involved in this stocking program and yes indeed when the stocking was done as madbomber said it took place all over the lake ,with that said i have fished lakes all over, as many of you have,and i have yet to have one jump in the boat and say " I AM A FLORIDA STRAIN STOCKED BASS" I like a others was fortunate enough to fish the grass in its hey day and yes we ripped em for a few yrs after that ....then if you caught five that weighed 8 # you got a decent check...now the grass is comming around again the weights are back up....if you think the stocking program didnt work at all i have some ocean front prime property to sell you......my two cents emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh emoLaugh

All of my big bags from the chick haven't came around any type of grass..
 
assuming florida bass grow faster and fatter than the northern strain with which i do agree there are more of those....with the dates of initial stocking we are about right on track numerous 9's 10's and a few 11's personally i agree that habitat and forage make for baby younguns to get a chance to defend thereselves and reach maturity,not only bass but all other species as well ..not disagreeing totally but i do believe some of those stocked fish made it ...im not a biologist and if you look close you'll see i dont spell so good either.. if i caught one i would not know it however there is a mighty lot of different marked fish in recent yrs,,,as for the big bags not coming from the grass i believe that too ....talk to some fellows who fished before after and now again with aquatic veg.and would bet the grass folks outnumber most ....fished guntersville alot for yrs before the weeds started coming back around here...i dont think there are alot of folks in minnesota talking up a trip to the chic...but you see em all the time down there ...yep i hated grass like ole beetlespin before i learned how to fish it. did not mean offend anyone if i did i apologize.. just a good old fashion discussion around here... come on fat albert jump in here and help your other son out
 
<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">To use that logic, there have been several fish in the 9 to 10 lb. range caught in Douglas. It took a 29 lb. five fish limit to win on Douglas last Saturday. Oh and there was a10 caught on Melton Hill in a tournament and a 8 caught on Ft. Loudoun. Those Florida strain have been really getting around.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The increased habitat has not only helped on recruitment of the young bass but it has provided a substantial supply line of forage. When you get a chance to eat your fill at every meal you tend to out grow your surroundings. Thebeautiful fish we are seeing are just good quality "northern strain" and I suspect that we will see a new state record Largemouth from either the Chick or Kentucky Lake in the next three to four years. That is if we don't lose the grass to high water conditions.</font></p>
 
can you tell by looking if its a florida bass? and do you believe of the samples taken that every fish in the lake was tested? and how do you mark a fingerling majic marker?
 
<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">All of the fish were marked before they were released. If you drop a fingerling into a specific dye solution it will turn the otolith a different color. The fish will then carry that marker for it's life. You can also do a DNA test on the fish which will show it's genetic makeup. So far, there have been no fish showing the colored ear bone or otolithtrait or that have tested positive for specific Florida strain genetics. There are some Florida strain on Kentucky Lake(Sand Creek) and a few in TWRA small lakes in West Tennessee. A 16.48 was shocked up last year from a small TWRA lake and had it been caught instead of electrified would have qualified for a new state largemouth record.</font></p>
 
good info for sure, but can you identify one if you caught it? i doubt if many folks can..if you can, then please tell the rest of us what and how to spot those differences ..good discussion and good information as well...id like to know where did you get the dye info ....i wasnt told about that while i was riding the release truck .. lol maybe i was on the wrong truck
 
<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">I would say that the talk in the truck was working on various personal insights and how much fun it would be to catch those fish later. All fingerlings are usually dyed before their release. It just makes it easier to keep up with them at their new location. A quick dip in a antibiotic solution and they are on their way.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The only difference in a northern strain and a southern or Florida strain is their size. All largemouth bass are like people they have different visual traits. There are skinny ones, dark ones, and "toads" everyone is marked just a little differently then their cousin. It is evolution in process, if everyone was the same one disease would wipe out the genus. The reason that there are some sightings of differently marked fish is because most people have not seen a 8 or 9 lb fish. The other reason is pure evolution, a different marking may provide a easier feeding situation and therefore that fish will reap the benefits.</font></p>
 

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