Herbicide Spraying Grows Controversy on Chickamauga

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I am sure everyone knows that based on the new TDEC regulations we are allowing private citizens around the lake to make the decision to treat aquatic weeds with herbicide. They do not have to get approval from the State to do this and are not required to post warning signs after treating the water with herbicides. I find it unbelievable that the State is letting this happen. This is our water entrusted to the State, for them to monitor and take care of for us. It seems that this is not the case in this situation. If this concerns you to, please contact senator Bo Watson at 615-741-3227
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See article for more on spraying:
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/19431794/plant-removal-grows-controversy-on-chickamauga-lake</p>

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/19431794/plant-removal-grows-controversy-on-chickamauga-lake</p>
 
It is hard to believe that in today's world that our government can stop prayer at school functions and city council meetings, but they can not require stricter guidelines for the use of aquatic herbicides in our public water system. Now I ask you, which would be more important to the well being of our society.
 
I can't believe more people sportsman or not aren't outraged ! Awful lot of people out there using that water in one way or another . Everyone should be all over this crap !
 
TDEC(Tennessee Dept. of Environment and Conservation) has adopted federal laws that no longer require the applicator to post signs of treated areas and no longer have to obtain a permit. It just stinks. TDEC says that as long as the chemicals sprayed have an FDA label on them then they are safe. I for one, know that there are many things that are FDA approved that can kill you, cause cancer, etc. I cant imagine a chemical that kills grass is safe in our drinking water supply...I also cant believe that TDEC doesn't do some type of study before, durring, and after herbicides are applied to see if there is any long term affects. People need to call the number above and let our public representatives, that we voted in, know that there are alot of concerned water drinkers around this lake that would like to have this issue looked into.

on another note, these dock owners that say that they cant use the lake because of Hydrilla, I say bull crap! That stuff is only an issue from early August till October at which point it dies and goes away. If I can get my bass boat through the stuff with a t-motor...Lets dump some chemicals into the water we drink because of an aquatic grass we deal with for a couple of months. Nothing will ever change unless we start calling to voice our opinions!
 
I can't help but wonder if our gov't isn't getting a little payola from the herbicide companies like they are the oil and pharmacutical business.
I'm not sure how big this business is but, if they have as much of a free hand as they seem with chemicals that are proven to be hazardous-then something is going on behind the "scenes".
Churly-you seem to have a good handle on the spraying activities, if you want-PM me and I can hook you up with a strong enviromental activist that fought this in the 80's and probably has as much info as anyone you'll find.
 
no warning signs is a way of hideing the fact that they have put harmful chemicals in our lake . I think if people were to see the signs , there may be more outcry .
 
I agree. Tack them up regardless or hand them to the property owner...But HE should be doing it despite what the State says.
 
Trust me on this I deal with the EPA regulations on a daily basis. it stands for Enormous Profit Agency......It needs to be burned to the ground and started all over!
 
Well once again a local channel is giving a "spin doctor" time to spin. I understand being fair and balanced, but did anyone notice there was not a mention of the studies being done right now in Europe, and in some states here, concerning the EPA's approval of these herbicides? Many studies are showing a direct correlation with using herbicides and birth defects and higher rates of cancer. Why on earth does a news channel not do it's homework and allow the people that profit from spraying poison, get on the air and defend it! This guy made numerous statements, that he said were facts, which were actually opinion. There was no rebuttal from anyone citing any of the studies and controversy surrounding the health effects. Have these studies been proven? Not yet. But is anyone willing to gamble on a kid's life that there isn't an issue with putting a poison in the water so potent that you can't get the water in your mouth, or use the water to irrigate with? Irrigation should dilute poison should it not? I mean it's not being sprayed directly on the plant, it is coming in via the root system. If the case is, that it kills the root system of the plant during irrigation, then what happens to the "good" plants in the water on the shore? What happens to the trees that draw poisoned water into the root systems as they stand by the lake? What happens to pets and wildlife that drink this stuff? What happens when it washes downstream and is concentrated into large fish like catfish? What happens when this same water, with poison in it, is consumed by your kids, your wife, your husband, your mom, your dad?</p>

Do we REALLY trust the EPA and the Feds to tell us what is safe? Weren't these the same group of folks that approved agent orange? Are these not the same people that are being sued because of violations of the Endangered Species act, with their approval of Clothianidin and thiamethoxam used to control insects? A quote from the Sierra Club: “The disconnect at EPA between the serious risks these toxic chemicals pose to pollinators and the approval of the products that contain them is inexcusable,” said Laurel Hopwood, Sierra Club’s Genetic Engineering Action Team chairwoman. “One-third of our food supply relies on the presence of pollinators. EPA should be protecting, not imperiling them.” These are just a FEW examples of what the EPA has approved as safe, let the market claim as safe, and then later studies show the use of the product to have horrible results. How many drugs have been approved by the sister agency the FDA, and yanked as killing people? Do YOU trust the feds to tell the truth? Do YOU think that money and connections can't influence approval of drugs, pesticides and herbicides? This goes WAY beyond fishing folks. It goes to health. I don't think any of us would sit down to a nice steak and glass of ice tea, if we knew that glass contained this stuff. Yes, I will be the first to admit, there are ton of additives in everything. But most of them don't kill plants when you pour it on one. </p>

I won't go into the fishing aspect of it. I was here in the ;ate 70's and early 80's and know what happened. Our waters have recovered beyond our wildest dreams. Once again they are being killed. One last point: what is an invasive species? Something not native that reproduces or spreads? When does an invasive, as the subject of the interview referred to the plants, become a natural part of the landscape? 10 years? 20 years? 30? 40? In 100 years will we consider it to be part of the natural eco systems here? Of course we will. It IS part of the eco system now, like it or not. It is up to us if we accept it as a natural thing, or declare chemical war that will leave human, animal and fish victims. </p>

One of the hundreds of articles I found:
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http://naturalsociety.com/epas-scandalous-policies-vs-states-responsibility/</p>
 
untill channe 3 produces an opposing viewpoint I will not support that channel or buy products that they advertise.
 
Jighead,
The last story that aired on channel 3 was just a retaliation from Aqua Services to the original story that was run about not posting the warning signs when doing herbicide treatments. None of what the media airs is going to fix or solve anything, all it does is help bring attention to our problem here on Chickamauga Lake. Fishin Fool is 100% correct, in that this is an environmental issue and needs to be addressed by our State officials before it is to late. Complaining about these issues on a forum will not solve this either, take the time to call a State Representative about this issue. Believe me, I am on a first name basis with all of them at this point.
 
I get it Chris . but that story was very one side . I have seen you on channel 3 from time to time and also seen you on the lake and I am glad we have someone like you on our side.
 
Thanks, at this point all we can do is voice our concerns and hope our elected officials listen and care enough to make a change in these new regulations.

I do know that TVA will be doing their 3rd herbicide treatment of the season in public areas on Chickamauga Lake on September 10th - 14th. The specific treatment dates are dependent on weather conditions, reservoir flows, and Aqua Services schedule. TVA will be requiring Aqua Services to post warning signs in these areas when he does the treatments for them.
 
I stand corrected. Aqua Services is treating for TVA this week but did not post the warning signs himself. TVA employees had to follow Aqua Services around from site to site and post the warning signs themselves.
 
I knew we were told how everything was going to be on the up and up and not to worry about herbicide treatments on Chickamauga Lake. Took me a while to find it, but here is the original statement made by Troy himself on how the treatments would be handled. A man is only as good as his word in my opinion.

<a href="http://chattanoogafishingforum.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=56421&start=285">http://chattanoogafishingforum.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=56421&start=285
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To All,

Let me start by saying I appreciate everyone that takes the time to read this post, respond, ask questions, and just generally clear the air. I am Troy Goldsby with Aqua Services, Inc., the Lake and Pond management company that is providing the aquatic herbicide applications for the private homeowners on all of the Tennessee River Reservoirs. Aqua Services, Inc. was founded in 1982 primarily as an aquatic herbicide application company and eventually became a full-scale lake and pond management/fishery management/herbicide application company. We work for many governmental agencies, power companies, corporations, and private citizens across the country and even into many Caribbean countries. We are chartered in Tennessee through the TDA, licensed and bonded, and the applicators in Tennessee are all well trained, certified, and licensed aquatic herbicide applicators. With corporate history stated, I will move onto the meat of the matter.
I know that many are skeptical of the herbicide applications that we provide for private property owners on the Tennessee River, but let me personally assure you that everything that we do is in accordance with all laws and is conducted in the most scientific, environmentally sound, and cost effective manners. The herbicides that we use have been around for decades and are typically used initially in terrestrial work. Most of the herbicides that we use are still used, through different labeling and trade names, in terrestrial work from crop production to turf and ornamental industries. None of the herbicides that we use have any swimming restrictions or fish consumption restrictions. There are some irrigation and drinking water restrictions in the immediate vicinity of the treatments but do not extend to surrounding areas that are not treated. Any restrictions typically last for 3 to 5 days. <font style="background-color: #ffff66">Every dock that we treat will be posted on the water and shore sides for all to see with all of the herbicide names listed, any restrictions associated with those herbicides, permit numbers, and any pertinent contact information for the permittee and state agencies. Also, per our permits, we will only treat within 100’ of fixed structures with the exception of some 50’ wide boat lanes that will provide homeowners with access to deeper water.
</font>There are currently several aquatic herbicide application permits on Chickamauga issued by the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation and we are the contractor for all of those permits. Eventually, there will only be one permit on Chickamauga for private homeowners and it is currently in place and is issued to the Tennessee River Property Owners’ Aquatic Resource Management Association (TRPOARMA). This is a not for profit corporation that I founded to aid Tennessee River Property Owners in their vegetation control efforts and to help educate all concerned about all aquatic resource management issues, not just aquatic vegetation control. The permits issued have the same restrictions as listed above but do allow us to use any EPA and TDA approved aquatic herbicides. These herbicides include but are not limited to diquat dibromide (many trade names), Aquathol K, Aquathol Super K, Hydrothol, Hydrothol granules, 2,4-d, Clipper, Habitat, Refuge, Cygnet Plus, Chelated Copper (many trade names), Fluridone (many trade names), and a few more. These products all have certain niches and are very effective and safe. Also, just so everyone understands, I know there are some bad sentiments about Fluridone, most commonly known as Sonar or Whitecap, but it is one of the best and most selective herbicides that we have in our arsenal. Most think that it kills everything, and it will if used in an inappropriate manner, but when used correctly we can take a vegetation colony with hydrilla (Hydrilla verticillata), milfoil (Myriophyllum spicatum), and native species combined and only eliminate the exotics, milfoil and hydrilla. Also, it works in parts per billion, not parts per million like most herbicides. We are not currently using fluridone and in most open reservoirs it is not possible because of the cost more than anything, I just wanted to set the record straight.
I have been around these herbicides my entire life, and I am now 34. I know that y’all are passionate about your fishing and that is great. I am just as passionate about what I do and only want to make sure that the truth is known and dispel the rumors and myths that are so commonly blogged about. It is also important to state that the amount of weeds we spray on any of these reservoirs will never affect the fishery; there is too much other vegetation for fish to use as cover. We are not an anti-vegetation company, we even have some native species that we recommend for planting in private impoundments for fish habitat, but invasive non-native species are not the way to go. Vegetation is not necessarily a bad thing, but the wrong species and too much of any species is a negative for everyone. I can assure you, topped out mats of hydrilla hold very few fish if any, and even kill fish that become trapped in them due to oxygen loss that is very common in areas with too much aquatic vegetation. Even when discussing native species, like coontail (Ceratophyllum demersum), reservoirs, even coves can have too much. Take a few cloudy hot days, followed by some real hot nights, and those plants will drop the oxygen levels so low that fish will die. These thick areas of vegetation also make foraging virtually impossible for predator fish, which leads to skinny, unhealthy large mouth bass. Simply stated, too much vegetation is a negative influence on any fishery.
Please receive this with the same good nature with which it is sent. I know this is a contentious subject, but these homeowners need access to the lake, their property taxes astronomical and these aquatic vegetation species reduce their property taxes as much as 50% in some cases. Just know that we work diligently at what we do, we do it extremely well, and it is very safe. The amount of herbicides that we apply to reservoirs is not even a drop in the bucket compared to what runs off from the surrounding lands on a daily basis, and besides that, many of them are the same products just with different names.
I wish everyone well and I look forward to answering any of your questions and discussing your concerns. I hope to see you all very soon on the reservoir. One last note, any meetings that you have that you would like for me to attend to answer questions just give me a shout, I’ll get it on the schedule if at all possible.

Thanks,

Troy L. Goldsby
Aqua Services, Inc.
256-572-4464
[email protected]
 
Back during the debate with Troy over spraying the lake, the subject of chemicals that were being investigated came up, this chemical being one of them. Troy told everyone that the issues that were being investigated were "European" and didn't affect us, and dismissed the concerns of people that worry about chemicals being dumped into the water. This report came out today via Reuters and seems to call attention to a growing problem with weed control. This is one of dozens of reports I have read in the past year. While RoundUp is used to control land based weeds, the same chemical and others like them, is present in Rodeo®, AquaMaster®, and AquaPro® aquatic weed killers. This is just an exampled of the reckless nature of these people that want spray chemicals into our water......water we drink out of. The Chattanooga area already has a larger number of birth defects and cancer than many other places. Bear in mind this is just ONE of the many chemicals they use......there are many more, with even more adverse side effects. We need to be on guard with summer coming on, and fight these people all the way. It isn't just about fish either, it's about health too.

By Carey Gillam

Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:50pm EDT

(Reuters) - Heavy use of the world's most popular herbicide, Roundup, could be linked to a range of health problems and diseases, including Parkinson's, infertility and cancers, according to a new study.

The peer-reviewed report, published last week in the scientific journal Entropy, said evidence indicates that residues of "glyphosate," the chief ingredient in Roundup weed killer, which is sprayed over millions of acres of crops, has been found in food.

Those residues enhance the damaging effects of other food-borne chemical residues and toxins in the environment to disrupt normal body functions and induce disease, according to the report, authored by Stephanie Seneff, a research scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Anthony Samsel, a retired science consultant from Arthur D. Little, Inc. Samsel is a former private environmental government contractor as well as a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

"Negative impact on the body is insidious and manifests slowly over time as inflammation damages cellular systems throughout the body," the study says.

We "have hit upon something very important that needs to be taken seriously and further investigated," Seneff said.

Environmentalists, consumer groups and plant scientists from several countries have warned that heavy use of glyphosate is causing problems for plants, people and animals.

The EPA is conducting a standard registration review of glyphosate and has set a deadline of 2015 for determining if glyphosate use should be limited. The study is among many comments submitted to the agency.

Monsanto is the developer of both Roundup herbicide and a suite of crops that are genetically altered to withstand being sprayed with the Roundup weed killer.

These biotech crops, including corn, soybeans, canola and sugarbeets, are planted on millions of acres in the United States annually. Farmers like them because they can spray Roundup weed killer directly on the crops to kill weeds in the fields without harming the crops.

Roundup is also popularly used on lawns, gardens and golf courses.

Monsanto and other leading industry experts have said for years that glyphosate is proven safe, and has a less damaging impact on the environment than other commonly used chemicals.

Jerry Steiner, Monsanto's executive vice president of sustainability, reiterated that in a recent interview when questioned about the study.

"We are very confident in the long track record that glyphosate has. It has been very, very extensively studied," he said.

Of the more than two dozen top herbicides on the market, glyphosate is the most popular. In 2007, as much as 185 million pounds of glyphosate was used by U.S. farmers, double the amount used six years ago, according to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) data.

(Reporting by Carey Gillam; Editing by Bernadette Baum)
 
It's all about the money and there is a TON of it on our lake. It's bad enough it poisons the water but the grass also helps keep the banks and bottoms from washing away or "silting". Not to mention the damage to the bank and bank edges there big @$$ yachts throwing 4-5 foot waves cause. If any of you have ever seen the movie Erin Brockovich, I would like to dip some water out of an area that's recently been sprayed and hand it to the guy spraying it and let him/her drink it.

This was pulled from the link posted by Chris...tell me that 5-7 days makes a difference because I highly doubt it!

The area sprayed just can't be used for irrigation or drinking for five to seven days after spraying, and it's not mandatory to put up signs anymore, so it's common courtesy to let neighbors know.
 

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