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Some of this info might have been posted before,but i thought i would post it anyway for those that might have missed it and to show why i am so concerned about these chemicals being put in our water.</p>

2,4-d is toxic if inhaled,ingested or absorbed through the skin.it is highly toxic through eye exposure.it is readily absorbed through the skin and lungs.chronic toxicity includes adverse effects to the liver,nerves,bone development and possibly cancer.it is moderately toxic to birds and HIGHLY TOXIC TO FISH.</p>

Persistence: The half-life in soil is less than 7 days. Despite its short half-life in soil and in aquatic environments, the compound has been detected in groundwater supplies in at least five States and in Canada.<font color="#000000">. Very low concentrations have also been detected in surface waters throughout the </font>U.S.</p>

2,4-D transformation products include at least 4 dioxins, which are carcinogens, and TCDD, which suppresses the immune system of developing children</p>

<font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Diquat bromide is toxic if inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. The possibility for poisoning increases with repeated exposure. <span style="font-weight: normal">Chronic toxicity</span> <span style="font-weight: normal">includes adverse e</span>ffects to the gastrointestinal tract, eyes, kidneys, liver, and the lungs, in particular cataracts in the eyes. Environmental toxicity: It is moderately toxic to birds, fish and aquatic invertebrates.</font></p>

<font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Persistence: It is highly persistent, with reported field half-lives of greater than 3 years. It has the ability to eventually use up all the available adsorption sites on soil clay particles. Field studies for the New York State Board of Health showed that 5 days after application the concentration in the water is greater than MCL<sup>2</sup> current drinking water standards of 0.02mg/l.Swimming, fishing and watering of domestic animals should not be allowed for at least 14 days after application of the herbicide to water,” according to Extoxnet. Breakdown products: unknown. Contaminants and inerts<sup>3</sup>: From the MSDS: “This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer .</font></font></p>

Fluridone (sonar)is toxic if inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Acute toxicity: Fluridone is considered an immediate health hazard.Chronic toxicityincludes adverse effects to eyes, liver, kidney, and testicular atrophy. Studies by Dynamac Corportation for the EPA reported fluridone to be a carcinogen. Environmental toxicity: Fluridone is moderately toxic to birds, fish and aquatic invertebrates. Trees and shrubs growing in treated water may develop chlorosis (loss of green pigment). Irrigation with treated water may result in injury to plants. Persistence: It has a half-life of 5-60 days, depending on conditions. It must remain in contact with target plants for 45 days to be effective. NO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS CURRENTLY EXIST<sup>2</sup>. Breakdown products: Fluridone degrades to a number of intermediates, including n-methylformamide(NMF), which has been shown to cause birth defects, liver damage, spina bifida, and deformity of the brain and internal organs. Contaminants and inerts<sup>3</sup>: The “inert”1,2-propanediol may be harmful by ingestion, inhalation or through skin contact, and cause skin or eye irritation. </p>

With some of the warnings on these chemicals you can understand some of us being worried about them being put in our water.</p>

I know the epa has approved the use of these chemicals,but they have also approved the use of other pesticides in the past, to only pull them years later after they found out they wasnt safe.Two that come to mind is Diazinon and Dursban.They were bothput on the marketin the 50s or 60s for residental use than was pulled in 2000,after they were found to be unsafe.who knows,maybe the epa will say in 5 or 10 years the pesticides that are being applied isnt safe to be put in our water.</p>

Also,if i have 300ft of lake front property,but i dont have any docks or fixed structures on it,can i still have it sprayed?</p>

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Buoy-Master,

The herbicides that we are currently using are all contact herbicides. Simply put, the herbicides only effect the vegetation growing at the time of the application and those plants begin to regrow immediately. Those areas treated are typically topped out again in 4 to 6 weeks.

Troy
 
Jim4596,

It is about 1900 for Eurasian Water Milfoil (Myriophyllum spicatum) and 1960 for Hydrilla (Hydrilla verticillata). I don't care when they were introduced, they are still exotics, and you are way off on your dates. I have not sprayed the first area this year that has milfoil, except for one that had one floating fragment. Everything I am spraying is mainly Hydrilla, but I can assure you, if someone has Milfoil and they ask me to spray it, I will.

I have addressed your question about drinking herbicides, I wouldn't drink any herbicide in a concentrated form. On that same note, I wouldn't drink chlorine in a concentrated form either, and it is in our water supply on a daily basis. For that matter, I wouldn't drink any chemical in concentrated form. You can read my answer to this same question on the first page of this thread, actually it is an answer to your questions.

We are not trying to have a "grass" free lake. We are spot treating. Surely you can understand the difference. Are you going to stop fishing because someone, that will not listen to reason and the truth, doesn't like fishing, and doesn't think it's essential? What you consider essential is absolutely an opinion


Troy
 
Blazer,

Why don't you read the labels on your laundry detergents, windex, formula 409, clorox, and all the other products you keep in your house and probably on your boat. You do realize that these herbicides are used in terrestrial applications as well? They are used on all of your crops and they have revolutionized farming and our ability to feed the world. The warnings you posted are referring to concentrated materials, discussed in my previous post.

As for your lake front property, the answer is no. If there is not a fixed structure I cannot apply aquatic herbicides. Now, we could file for a separate permit and see if we can get it approved, that is if you are truly interested in aquatic vegetation control.

Troy
 
troy goldsby - 7/24/2011 5:13 PMAre you going to stop fishing because someone, that will not listen to reason and the truth, doesn't like fishing, and doesn't think it's essential? What you consider essential is absolutely an opinion
Troy

The truth is Troy is that its not about fishing with me. I have said that repeatedly. what it is about is you dumping harmful poisons into our drinking water. these chemicals are harmful and that is a fact. its all over the labels and its backed up by the fact that you post warnings after spraying. and i take you poisoning our drinking water personally. i have been affected over the last 3 years of my life dealing with family members that have cancer. i have watched my granddad who is my best friend endure some terrible stuff. he has leukemia (cancer of the blood). my grandmother also has breast cancer and is doing her radiation treatments as we speak. so when i think someone is exposing me and my family to harmful, poisonous chemicals, then i do take it personally. cancer is not something to joke about. its a serious illness that often ruins peoples lives or ends up being fatal. Everyone i know has been affected by cancer in one way or another. so i want to limit my family's exposure to harmful chemicals. i dont want to see anyone having to go through what i have seen my family and friends go through. There are several herbicides that are known carcinogens. some of the ingredients of the ones that you dump in the lake are carcinogens. with cancer being so prevalent in our area, we dont need to do anything to contribute to it. I dont want the poisonous herbicides dumped in our lake whether they are carcinogens or not. many times in history, the epa has ruled a chemical to be safe only to announce a few years down the road that they are harmful.
so to say that someone having a grass free lake area around their dock is essential is a joke in my opinion. you are exposing thousands of people to harmful chemicals that simply arent needed or required. unfortunately some people dont care if they are poisoning the drinking water as long as they can have a grass free dock. and simply put, thats plain wrong. we are all our brothers keeper and we should all look our for one another. but u make your living dumping poisons in our drinking water. i would expect you to tell me how great it is and to defend it, its how you make money. we all know that these chemicals are harmful and poisonous.
thanks
 
How many of you drilling Troy with questions will come to Chester Frost on Wed to work?

Troy, I think it would be great for you to come out also. It would be nice to put a face with the name and have a conversation or two.
 
Troy,I have read the labels on some of the products you listed and none of them,that i know of,is a carcinogen.I agree with Jim that we have anough problems with cancer in this area we dont need to be putting chemicals in our water that is known to be a carcinogen.
The warnings dont only apply to concentrated materials,just because you dilute it with water doesnt mean it want cause cancer or kill you.Thats why the label warns to wear protective clothing while applying.
I do not have any lake front property,the reason i was asking is because i was fishing a Tx Friday night and was talking to guy in cfp that came out on his dock,he was telling me that he had not had the grass sprayed around his dock and they have been catching some nice bass around it.He said someone wanted $1300 to spray in front of his entire property and the next dock was over 300ft away,so i was woundering if it would be legal to treat the entire area since someone would be treating future away than 100ft from a fixed structure.He said he didnt want the grass gone because it kept the jetskis from running up next to his dock,i guess the grass benefits more than just fisherman.
 
Oldman - 7/1/2011 12:08 PM

they said agent orange was safe too.

Thanks Oldman, my sentiments also, agent orange was a Safe Defoliant in Viet Nam, look at the Veterans affected 40 years later. Viet Nam claim 95% of their birth defects now are related to ORANGE as well as American veterans birth defects.. What are our future generations positioned to suffer from our many pullants.............DDT was a great controller until they found the bird population was being devistated, we only figure out the damages decades later.........on & on........
of further info requested, look up effects on Agent Orange & DDT. PS, I am living with some of the affects of Agent Orange as are many Vets of Viet Nam.
emoGeezer emoUSA
 

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Troy Goldsby Quote "I can assure you, topped out mats of hydrilla hold very few fish if any, and even kill fish that become trapped in them due to oxygen loss that is very common in areas with too much aquatic vegetation"

"So I guess, all those 4 pound plus fish we were catching out of the mats last year and this year are just figments of our imagination !"
 
To All,

Just wanted to let everyone know that I really appreciate all of the questions and even though it has been a little contentious at times, I still feel that it is important to discuss this topic. I wanted to make sure that I was able to present the truth and the facts, and I did. Thanks to all of you who kept open minds and actually listened to what I have said and have come to a better understanding of the process. Also, thanks to all of you that have helped at times with providing truthful information and support.

I apologize, but I will not be able to attend the function on Wednesday evening. I had fully intended on being there, but it was scheduled on a date which I had a prior obligation. I will attend future meetings if at all possible.

This will be my last post unless I see something that needs to be addressed. I feel this has just become a cycle and that we are just going over the same subjects and spinning our wheels. Once again, I really appreciate everyone's posts and I look forward to meeting some of you soon. In the meantime, if you need to contact me, my contact information is below. Y'all be safe on the water, and good fishing to all of you.

Thanks,

Troy L. Goldsby
Aqua Services, Inc.
256-572-4464
[email protected]
 

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