Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 8:13 PM
Thats exactly what I don't want to become. The closer your country is to freedom and capitalism the wealthier everyone is. Name 10 countries that are more powerful in the world financially or militarily than us. There are none thats right zip nada. Look at the gov't track record medicare broke, medicaid broke, Social Security soon to be broke the gov't couldn't efficiantly run a laundry mat. You want to know how to solve the current downturn in the economy two words lower taxes. Let the people who earn the money spend it and watch the magic of capitalism.
</p>Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 8:13 PM Thats exactly what I don't want to become. The closer your country is to freedom and capitalism the wealthier everyone is. Name 10 countries that are more powerful in the world financially or militarily than us. There are none thats right zip nada. Look at the gov't track record medicare broke, medicaid broke, Social Security soon to be broke the gov't couldn't efficiantly run a laundry mat. You want to know how to solve the current downturn in the economy two words lower taxes. Let the people who earn the money spend it and watch the magic of capitalism.
Uh what?? Please explain.Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 8:13 PM
Thats exactly what I don't want to become.
The closer your to freedom the closer you are to anarchy.The closer your country is to freedom and capitalism the wealthier everyone is.
Gross national income per capita 2008, Atlas method (US Dollars)Name 10 countries that are more powerful in the world financially or militarily than us.
hmm look above number 14 not no. 1. Don't be delusional. As far as military power goes, yes we are still no.1, but only cause we spend the most on the military. If a ground war ever breaks out, we stand a high chance of losing, due to our relatively small population (4.5% of the world population) especially when compared to India or China (17 and 19.5% respectively).There are none thats right zip nada.
Don't forget that the military is also ran by the those same eggheads. Why not reel in some that military spending ($720 million per DAY on Iraq/Afghanistan alone). Seems to me you could do a lot of fixing with 720 million/day. Back to my point made in my previous post, what 10 countries have lower individual taxes? We are nearly the lowest and you want them lower. Kind of seems unpatriotic to me; how do know when is the rate low enough?Look at the gov't track record medicare broke, medicaid broke, Social Security soon to be broke the gov't couldn't efficiantly run a laundry mat. You want to know how to solve the current downturn in the economy two words lower taxes.
ah back to the good ole days were Rockerfeller, Vanderbilt, DuPonts etc made gobs of money on the backs of all those common folks. Never mind that most wealthy in this country "hide" their money in overseas non-taxable accounts.Let the people who earn the money spend it and watch the magic of capitalism.
</p>Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 9:06 PM That is a gross income number now apply their tax rate and see what you come up with. Yeah will trade the Rockefellers, and Vanderbilts, for the Pelosi's, Reid's and the Obama's. I agree with you on the military budget I mean how many times can you blow somebody up it is not efficient by any means. Far from unpatiriotic the point is the Gov't does a piss poor job of spending our tax dollars. If you want to give them more then their is a donation box you can fill in on your tax form.
What does tax rate have to do with wealth? If the individuals are wealthy so is the country.Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 9:06 PM
That is a gross income number now apply their tax rate and see what you come up with.
That $3 only goes to Presidential Election Campaign Fund, not operation of the government.If you want to give them more then their is a donation box you can fill in on your tax form.
Yeah quoting a libertarian with anarchist views is really close to checkmate, it is not even on the board. So where is this list that this libertarian prepared, I don't want to hear him talk about it, I want to see it.Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 9:22 PM
Straight from Walter Williams
You make a valid point. The main problem I have with our current situation is that most of the institutions that you listed are run very effectively at the state level and lower. Smaller, localized governments are the ones earning their paychecks. The federal government, in my opinion, is not much better than the major corporations that you listed. Nor is it run by people that are all that different than their leaders. Also, when looking at the "promote the general welfare" statement, I believe that this means that actions should benefit ALL. National parks, police, fire dept, schools, roads, mail, military- we all benefit from them. The line should be drawn when some individuals benefit while others are are negatively affected.outcaster - 12/10/2009 2:21 AM
National parks.... socialized nature, police and fire dept's...... socialized protection, public schools......socialized education, bridges and roads.... socialized travel, US post office....socialized mail, the military... socialized armed forces, health care coverage....socialized medicine. I could go on and on with this. Some things are too important to be left up to the free market system. Greed creeps in when left un-check, as history tells us. Maybe we should have the former ceo's of AIG, GM, Chrysler, Enron (oops, he's in hell already), JP Morgan and Bear Sterns running our federal agencies. Our founding fathers got it right. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America". The "promote the general welfare" part often gets overlooked or omitted when arguing the libertarian view
Not when comparing wealth of one nation against another, which is what you requested.Sniperchoke - 12/9/2009 10:39 PM
Tax rate has everything to do with wealth.
</p>Sniperchoke - 12/10/2009 11:26 AM Dang guys I guess you have been right all along. You know since my family owns a small business we must not pay enough taxes. Taxes like Corporate taxes, Income taxes, Social security tax for all my employees, Sales tax, Splost taxes, Property taxes, inventory taxes, capital gains taxes. Maybe since you guys teach you may not realize this. But these taxes do keep me from hiring more people and paying people more. I ask you how much more would be fair. You guys let me know when you come up with a number.
Sniperchoke - 12/10/2009 2:48 PM
I just want to know if that is enough for you guys. If my taxes were lower I could stand to hire more workers thus in turn this helps unemployment. So again I ask if you want to fix the countries problems then lower the tax rate of (and this is key) everyone who pays taxes so they can spend their hard earned money the way they want to.
