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Jmax

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I use to have a couple of you guys ask me every now and then about investments. I am not a broker so this is only an opinion. With the stock market as high as it is right now trading around the 24,600 to 24,700 range it is treading in uncharted waters. Some of these great so called annalists are predicting the Market will fall. emoDoh DOH! REALLY! That is so obvious it is like me saying, "I predict the sun will rise tomorrow." Then the next day me walking around all proud of myself saying, "See, I told you." It is not a matter of if it is going to fall but more a matter of when and how far will it fall.

To buy stocks right now is not a great idea in my opinion. With the market so high you could find yourself seeing a fall and waiting a long time for it to get back to where you bought it. However selling right now might be a good thought. Even if it is in an IRA you could sell the stock, put it in cash within your IRA, wait for the fall and then rebuy stocks at a cheaper price in turn getting more stocks for your buck. One word of caution here I will throw in is I never thought it would get as high as it is right now, 24,700 on the Dow is really higher then I thought I would ever see it in my lifetime, you really don't know how high up is. Selling might be a good action if you want to lock in the gains. Remember if it is outside an IRA it will cause a taxable event. Inside an IRA you are safe as long as you keep the money within your IRA and buy the stock back leaving it in there.

It is also a good time to dump poor stocks and reposition yourself. If you are a player on the market and have a couple stocks that did not do all that well with the market performing as well as it has those may be something to sell now. It will only get worse when the market has an adjustment. You can also write off any loses you may have and take the tax write off usually up to 3,000 per year and in some cases carry over those loses exceeding 3,000 to the next year.

Finally the only other thing I would bring up is for those who have been investing, if you have ever considered an annuity now is the time to get into one. These dang things can be tricky so I would strongly advise you to talk with a good broker, someone like a Raymond James or Edward Jones Broker. Don't use these guys who are non licensed brokers who are only authorized to sell annuities. They are really more like insurance agents who are not true brokers. They make commissions and may not really have your best interests in mind and only be wanting you for their commissions. Right now with the market as high as it is you can purchase an annuity, lock in the high price of the market and guarantee yourself a minimum increase in the base of that annuity of 5 to 6 percent annually until age 65. The trick is you don't want to ever have to sell that annuity. Most annuities are set up to give you an income stream once you reach age 65. If you ever have to sell it you will get the actual value of it, not the base. The base will grow according to the contract you agreed to while the actual value will grow to the market. With the fees and the possible market fall it could have a value actually less then you paid for it if you had to cash it out.

OK, if I have been boring you I will shut up now. emoGeezer

Tight lines to all, Jmax
 
Man, that’s good info, and I agree with all that, and love that I read that on a Fishing forum.

I will say that nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the DJIA. Through out all the ups and downs over the last 10 to 12 years specifically, I can never time it.... I keep trying though lol.

Glad you are still posting on the forum!
 
Yep, I am right there with you on the DJIA. I have been investing in the market since 1979. It has served me well. I never thought I would see it this high. I fear a lot of what we are seeing is a reflection of the general populous over President Trump's economic actions and the tax bill I believe after today will pass. emoScratch It went up another 143 points today. I fear that once all these new changes actually go into place and the dust clears it may not hold. Then we could see a reverse where buyers panic, start selling as the stock drops and we could see another crash. I have been trying to position myself to still get the gains without having to take the risk. Locking in the gains. On the optimistic side, if the tax plan works, jobs come back to the U.S., we see a surge in our economy, one like we have not seen in years, then I will repeat what I said above, "Who knows how high up is?". emoSmile Jmax
 
churly - 12/17/2017 8:05 AM

MJRGA!

Make Jmax’s Retirement Great Again! Glad you are well pal!

emoUpsmile Thanks, just trying to help. emoBigsmile The best time to start a retirement savings is now, today, don't keep saying I will do it later. I have friends that I still run with that I ran with back in 1979. A couple of them thought I was nuts when we were in our late teens and early 20s and I was talking to them about this. Now they all regret not listening and taking my advice. emoGeezer Jmax
 
I started in a Profit and Sharing program set up by my employer back in about 1973 before there was any 401k programs. Later on in changing jobs I converted those funds to a self directed IRA that was outside the plans offered by my employer. Then I up started another 401k with my employer. You need to always take advantage of your company's matching 401k funds. Most companies have matching a funds policy for their employees. They all vary from company to company but probably the average company will contribute up to 3% of your 5 or 6% contribution. Some companies are higher! Let us say that you contribute 6% of your earnings each month. Now you company then adds another 3%. So now you already have 50% growth before the funds are actually invested. I'll take all the 50% growth money I can find! The stock market has been very good for me over the years. Yes, it goes up and then it goes down but on the average it rises. If you invest just don't have a stroke and panic when the market drops. You must ignore it and look for the long term goal. And this is just my opinion, but avoid individual stocks purchases in most cases unless you can stand the ride and possible loss. Stay with a program that have multiple stocks products so that if one or two go south you still have support from the others. And the single most important thing to do as Jim stated above is find a known reputable finical adviser. This is especially true if you plan to have any investments outside a company 401k plan. JMO!
 
100% great advise, could not agree more. emoThumbsup There are several good investments like Earl is talking about, American Funds, Lord Abbot Funds and Hartford Funds are all some good ones. These are all mutual funds. That is all I have now days. Like Earl has said, you may not see these huge gains that you might see on individual stocks but you won't see the loses either. If you do want to invest in individual stocks once the market has an adjustment,(Which I feel is coming). One trick I have taken advantage of over the years is to look for stocks that are under valued and pay a decent dividend. So if you have a stock that is predicted to rise say 10% because it is under valued and it pays a 4 to 5 percent annual dividend, your net potential gains for that stock is about 14 to 15 percent that year. emoEek Penny stocks can be big gainers too. Just be careful on these because they can go down too. emoBang I use to set aside money for these types of investments, however since truly retiring from actual work back in April I cashed all of them out and went solely with Mutual Funds due to my age. JMO emoTongue Jmax
 
Hey Jmax, just as a reminder...there may or may not be taxes on the sale of a stock outside of an Ira it actually depends upon where you have owned the stock for a year or more and what tax bracket you are in. No capital gains tax for some tax brackets....
 
Whew! What a day on the market. That was one of the biggest drops I have seen since I believe 2008. :eek: It is actually only about 2 and a half percent but would not want to see that happen much. Not sure if this is the beginning of the correction that I have been thinking was coming. I believe it will be a total of about 10 percent so it still has a ways to fall. I would love to be wrong on that and it not fall that much. emoRolleyes The market just rose too quick too fast to sustain that level. Hang in there thou, what goes down will go back up. Just not sure how far and when. emoGeezer Jmax
 
Things went too high , too fast. The correction was due, and we are still way up year over year. This could be a good buy opportunity, similar to 2008, if it will drop a little more. I enjoyed the ride up, but knowing it had to go down. Unlike Earl and J-max, I am all in in stocks, and seen the ups and downs since the late 70's. Long haul things have been good.
 
Jmax, I had no idea you were into investing. i am an electrical engineer not a broker, but trade heavily between the chaos of the fed and 10 year treasury bumps. As of lately I have been swing trading mainly due to the wild swings happening weekly. I truly enjoy trading as it can be extremely lucrative if managed correctly.
 
wetaline - 5/28/2018 11:42 AM

Jmax, I had no idea you were into investing. i am an electrical engineer not a broker, but trade heavily between the chaos of the fed and 10 year treasury bumps. As of lately I have been swing trading mainly due to the wild swings happening weekly. I truly enjoy trading as it can be extremely lucrative if managed correctly.

Yep, I have people now ask me how I was able to retire so early. The first time I retired I was an old 46 going on about 78, Wal-Mart can do that to you. emoBigsmile Then I went to work with another real job for a very short time. Just a couple years later I realized I could make just as much in investments as I did working. Worked a couple contract jobs including Action Alarms for my spending money but have never stopped my investing programs. I make more now then I did when I worked a real full time job. emoThumbsup It is all about starting early and staying the course. If you spend it you have to start all over. I am a walking testimony to compounding interest, annual dividends, capital gains, long term investment gains and the growth of solid good stocks over time. emoToast Jmax
 
So now I've got my 401k invested a bit more risky due to my age, would you recommend someone like me moving it into a safer mode (more bonds ect.) until there is a downturn and uptick?
 
This is sometimes very hard to see. Let me give you an example. Shortly after I left Wal-Mart their stock fell to just under $27 bucks a share from around $60 a share when I left and cashed out.

Lets say a person had 100 grand from an IRA or 401K they wanted to roll over or invest it into something. If you had taken that 100K and bought a 3 percent yielding bank note you would have around $155,797.00 now. If you had taken that same 100k and bought Wal-Mart stock with it when it was $27 a share, it would now be worth about $89 a share, totaling $329,629.00. emoDance Just over a 229% increase. That is in just 15 years. The issue is knowing when to get out, in and back out again. Or you can just invest in good solid stocks for the long haul. That is mostly what I did and still do. I am not a broker, don't want to sound like I am telling anyone what to do. I am just saying what I did. emoBigsmile Jmax
 

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