Is it just me or has Wal-Mart lost it?

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Let me share this story with you too. My youngest sister was married when she was just out of high school, has four kids which she raised. Her husband, who was 12 years older than her, died when she was 50, at which point she had no income other than a small life insurance policy he had left. She had been a housewife all her life and had no training in anything. Nothing. So she applied at Walmart in the town she lives in, and was hired on full time as a stocker. She has worked there for going on 13 years, and has made it to the huge amount of $13.75 per hour. She works like a dog, often doing over time to make a little more to pay the bills. Her health has gotten bad in the last few years and we all pressured her into going to see a doctor about it. She often went in sick because she was afraid of being replaced with a younger worker. The doctor has found several serious issues, which with respect for her, I won't go into. Regardless, she has been in and out of the hospital for the past 6 months. Walmart's response? They have cut her hours, tried to screw her out of sick leave, and encouraged her to retire early so she can get on Medicare (which means off Walmart's group plan and on the Gubmint Plan). The pressure mounts each day. Wonder why? This is what I mean by morality or lack there of. Sure, she needed a job, and sure Walmart hired her. But I can damn sure tell you, she works for every penny. You know the weird thing is, when she was hired, she loved the place. Not so much now. But I suppose she should have taken the advice of many on this forum and just went back to school at age 50 to be..........what? After 13 years of hard work they are ready to cut her loose, and let her deal with Medicare.</p>

We can't all be lucky in life. We can't all know the right people. We can't all have access to higher education. We can't all have parents with money that pave our way. We can't all be born rich or well off. We can't all make the right choices. Sometimes, people like my sister just have to work.......even at the crappy wage that the only game in town is paying at the time. I often see people that are engineers, chemists, doctors, accountants, Gubmint workers........taking it easy and kicking back while raking in the big bucks. Maybe they worked for it, who knows, but I know they didn't work harder than my sister unloading trucks at 3 am.</p>

The lady next door to me is a licensed practical nurse. She works for one of most abusive, money hungry, long term care companies around. She is worn down to a nub. She works when sick, works a load that a younger person would buckle under. Can she quit? Nope, too many bills. Can she find another job? Maybe, but they she'd give up what little advancement she has at age 63. Oh, and by the way, not many profit minded companies are hiring 63 year old women these days.</p>

Let's take the guy I knew that worked for Sears in a Georgia town as the store manager. New "hot shot", "get it done", district manager takes over. The store manager has worked there for 29 years, 11 months. At 30 years he would draw a full, enhanced retirement from the company. Hot shot walked in and fired him, with 1 month to go to retirement. Sad huh? But in today's make a profit or die business model, profit trumps morality every time. These are but three examples of people I personally know. I am sure there are millions. So while we talk about the poor folks that own Walmart, let's remember they didn't get there alone. They had help. If the Waltons, not the stock holders, paid a decent wage, I doubt it'd cost more than a billion of the estimated 6 billion they pocket each year. Just to think, all they had to do in life was have a rich Daddy and the rest just falls into place.</p>

So if you have a good, or even a great job, thank God for it. Lots of variables went into it, but God did it for you, not you. Don't look down and be critical of others not as fortunate. You haven't walked in that person's shoes and you have no idea why they are working at the job they are working at.
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Excellent points Terry. I also understand and agree that it would be good if many companies showed more compassion. However, at every place I have worked, I have agreed to fairly exchange one hour of labor for $xx, and have never had a promise to have a job for a specific term nor given one that I would stay. As to your third example, if the circumstances were as they appear, it would be illegal and a court would rectify that situation. As you can tell, I just don't want politicians, of all people, trying to set and enforce morals. On the whole, they have none, and are certainly worse than any business that I know of.

Danny, I guess you have never quite gotten my feelings about politicians/government (really?). I have got serious reservations with government subsidizing pretty much anything like food stamps, government housing, and especially healthcare. I think they should have very limited powers.

You talk in broad generalities and never get specific even though I have asked.
I'll try again -
How large should a company be to be required to meet "minimum living wage" requirements?
Why do workers at smaller companies not then get the same "living wage" you want to force larger companies to provide?
In Chattanooga, at what number would you set the "living wage"? Does a worker with a family of 4 get the same living as a single? Why or why not?

I look forward to your thoughts.
 
Eric you have a big ole ringing Amen from me. PEOPLE, not the government, should regulate themselves. Sadly, in the case of Walmart it isn't happening.</p>

I have huge problems with the government dole we are handing out. I don't mind helping people that really need it, for a short period of time, but this generational dependence on the "gubmint" has got to stop. We do that with decent jobs, but the companies in the US now are either outsourcing or reducing work force. Soon we are going to have more people waiting on a check than actually working for one!
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 I'll address one more thing; I think we need a reasonable minimum wage, but I'll remind Danny of this too. If the minimum wage goes too high, then the small businesses that create the jobs will disappear. You simply cannot have a kid working at Burger King making $15 per hour, regardless of what the idiots at MSNBC say. I recall a recent example of this when the current police chief here in Chattanooga said of the thugs that surely some of the local big companies could hire them at $20 to $25 per hour! No experience, no education, no work ethic, just the bucks. </p>

And no Eric, to your last point about the Manager at Sears, no court or lawyer would hear the case. Georgia is an "employment at will" state. You can fire someone without cause any time you like, and you have no standing to sue. You can certainly TRY, but the suit won't get off the paper it is filed on. From Wikipedia:  At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish "just cause" for termination), and without warning.<sup class="reference">[1]</sup> When an employee is acknowledged as being hired "at will", courts deny the employee any claim for loss resulting from the dismissal.</p>

 (EricM note: I had assumed he was nearing retirement age, and would then have been protected under Federal Age Discrimination laws. Sorry)</p>

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EricM - 11/20/2013 11:39 PM Excellent points Terry. As you can tell, I just don't want politicians, of all people, trying to set and enforce morals. On the whole, they have none, and are certainly worse than any business that I know of. Danny, I guess you have never quite gotten my feelings about politicians/government (really?). I have got serious reservations with government subsidizing pretty much anything like food stamps, government housing, and especially healthcare. I think they should have very limited powers. You talk in broad generalities and never get specific even though I have asked. I'll try again - How large should a company be to be required to meet "minimum living wage" requirements? Why do workers at smaller companies not then get the same "living wage" you want to force larger companies to provide? In Chattanooga, at what number would you set the "living wage"? Does a worker with a family of 4 get the same living as a single? Why or why not? I look forward to your thoughts.
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Liveliner - 11/21/2013 4:41 PM



Now I can understand why so many Walmart workers are shipping so many items out the back doors...</p>

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Nothing justifies stealing. Go out and find a better job. My son just left a "good" job he hated and moved to another city so that he and his girlfriend can improve their lives. He took a comparable job pay and benefits wise, and she is gonna get a degree. Then, when she is finished, he will return to school. They have a plan; I have no doubt that they will succeed.

30-35 years ago, we all thought Walmart was the greatest new thing. Only a few saw the detrimental effects Walmart Super Centers would have on the local economies. Well, guess what...... it'll get worse. News outlets have begun reporting that when the so-called employer mandates kick in October 2015, upwards of 100 million individuals will have their employer-backed health insurance plans cancelled. Betcha Walmart's will be in there. So much for government intervention. He's gonna bring us Hope and Change. We'll all be hoping the little bit of change left in our pockets will last a little longer. :(
 
Help me out... this is the Chattanooga FISHING Forum, right? emoBigsmile

Long live Free Enterprise... emoUSA
 
rsimms - 11/22/2013 12:53 AM

Help me out... this is the Chattanooga FISHING Forum, right? emoBigsmile

Long live Free Enterprise... emoUSA

Yup. What's your point? Lot's of folks shop for fishing stuff @ Walmart, and have strong opinions about where they shop. I look at these threads as covering topics folks may discuss while fishing. Why shouldn't we be able to discuss other topics that we may discuss face to face. Hunting ain't fishing and we discuss that on here. Same with cars and trucks.

Just sayin'.
 
I think it comes down to supply and demand and also the "fair market value" of the trade the specific employee is bringing to its employer. The employment eco-system is what drives the value of a specific job. And Wal-Mart knows that if Susie quits Sally is going to gladly accept her position even if its at minimum wage. I believe that job performance bonus compensation should be built in for low wage employees... It doesn't matter your skill level if you are a hard worker that takes pride in yourself as a person and in your job there is advancement opportunity in almost any company. I know that everyone has that 1% percent story where someone close to them got screwed by the "man" but these are for profit companies and if an employee can increase earnings/ process efficiencies/ customer experience for its employer then there is growth opportunity for the individual... One of the biggest reasons I hate shopping at Wal-Mart is because of the attitude of many of the employees. You oftentimes ask a question and it appears that you are bothering whatever in the hell they were in the middle of that is more important than you the client. The reason the culture sucks at Wal-mart isn't totally the employee's fault but stems from poor leadership, and I believe if bonus compensation was available based on performance you would see hardworkers benefited and a better overall experience at the retail store, and the bad employees would be pushed out... Leaving more money for the employees that bring value to the company and can obtain better compensation by hitting performance bonuses.
 
Eric, you and I have a disagreement over our view of the size and scope of govt. I'll state mine briefly: I believe that our free market capitalistic economic system should ALWAYS have first crack at meeting the needs and wants of society. I also believe that it is the JOB of the govt (Fed, State, or local) to step in when "for profit" companies either CAN'T or WON'T meet the needs of our society and communities. So yes, I believe the number 1 role of govt is to step in when the capitalistic side of our society fails us. I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority on this. Walmart, and companies like them are failing us. They are profitable beyond imagination mainly because they are allowed to underpay for labor, not provide benefits, while passing this deficit on to mr/mrs taxpayer. What a sweet deal that is... sign me up! At some point we as citizens have to take a stand and demand these companies act right and do right. I for one, am doing my small part by not shopping there.

So to answer your more specific questions: If I were and elected local/State official... lol....which is a joke.. I couldn't be elected "dog catcher" because I lean liberal and don't go to church. But If a company came before my commission asking for tax dollars to be spent for infrastructure (ie roads, sewage etc), zoning and business tax breaks to open their business, It's my job representing the interests of the people who elected me to make sure this enterprise will not have a net negative effect on my community. Therefore I am going to ask how many people they will be hiring and what they will be paying before voting yes. This is already being done in certain parts of the country with regards to Walmart. In Hamilton County the living wage top out pay is about 16$ per hour for a good dependable non management worker getting regular good reviews and promotions in the big box/grocery retail industry. An appliance department "lead" at Home Depot makes 20$ per hr by comparison. So Yes, I would want to be sure this new business would be an asset to the community, by providing "good" jobs to our residents while they make their profits. Both can happen, it's done all the time. "And as your commissioner I would make it happen" lol

As far as smaller business, for the most part they do pay good wages, they are not the ones causing the problem here. In fact they are most often the victims of Walmart's business tactics. In smaller business the owner probably does not have the capital or clout, and is most likely not asking for tax breaks or infrastructure from the govt. Therefore he can't get away with underpaying his employees and treating them like crap. He soon realizes the benefits of maintaining a loyal, dependable work force of happy, motivated employees. If not he won't be in business for very long.
 
Kinda off subject but still a *** at wally world .......... wife went by the Cleveland store last night looking for some more xmas candy . Usually the whole isle over in the grocery section is full , well it was full alright , FULL WITH VALENTINE CANDY !!!! emoAngry
ARE YOU CRAPPIN ME ? can they not wait another few days ?

Hey guys , I know it is just a few days until Christmas but being someone who doesn't like to put thing off , I am going to get a head start on Valentines day and go buy my sweetie some candy in December .. emoScratch Heck with Christmas .

This pretty much sums up the retail world now a days , not just there but everywhere . Like James Gregory used to say , " there oughta be a law against that "
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Danny one issue that I take with your statement is that you being a non church going liberal makes you unelectable. Just look at the mayor of Chattanooga.
 
The bottom line is this with todays economy and insurance the way it is it is cheaper for companies to hire two part time than it is to hire one full time
 
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