Never worked in a Business?

[SpurHunter]

If you want more proof that Capitaolism works, try getting an internet education on a little company called "Ford". Funny, cause I heard liberals say the bailout was the only way to save an American car company. emoScratch

 

[Guest]

cheez - 2/23/2010 4:05 PM

Doc1 - 2/23/2010 4:20 PM

cheez - 2/23/2010 1:52 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 8:07 AM

Superbad - 2/23/2010 6:11 AM Two thumbs down on the universal health care.

Sounds like you may be a supporter of the "Party of No" How would you fix Healthcare? Please be specific. Giving 2 thumbs down is NOT a solution.

Well exactly what has the other party done? You folks have had all the power for well over a year and nothing has been done yet. Seems to me y'all don't have too many answers either. emoRolleyes

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!. Obama gave everyone not making $250,000.00 a tax cut.</p>

2. Obama bailed out the big banks, they are paying the money back.</p>

3. Obama bailed out the car industry, they are still in business working a lot of people.</p>

4. Obama gave money to every state in the union, this extended unemployment benefits to millions, without it they would probably be bankrupt by now.</p>

5. Obama is getting a new nuke plant built close to us in georgia, this will put a lot of people to work, more will be started soon to ease our dependency on oil.</p>

6. Obama is getting a jobs bill started to put people back to work.</p>

How's that for starters? What have we got from the republicans? I might have to do a lot of digging to come up with anything, everybody help me out and post this list for all to see.</p>

I see you have been watching CNN again. 1. olbummer didn't cut my taxes and I make quite a bit less than $250 K 2. Bush bailed out the big banks and olbummer just rode the wave 3.olbummer TOOK OVER two car companies but neither have put ANY of the hundreds of thousands back to work. Both companies are still struggling bad. 4.olbummer is bankrupting the rest of the country to keep a few states from bankrupting. Look again! The same states are still in trouble. Some are worse than before olbummer's (China) money. 5. One nuke in South GA. that will take 20 years to build. Now that right there is some real progress to get us out of our mess. 6. Jobs bill is only gotten lip service so far. Not too much for starters if you ask me. It has taken 14 months for this next to nothing to happen. emoScratch

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Maybe you are just blind or need a calcalator, you got a tax cut.</p>

 

[beetlespin]

Doc, we did not get a tax cut. The withholding from each paycheck went down about 1% but that just took away from the tax return or added to what people owed. There has not been a tax cut.

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 11:39 AM

I certainly WILL agree the system is broken. I HAVE health insurance, and if my policy doesnt cover a certain doctor or test, its not covered, and I have to payout of pocket. A person without insurance goes in, gets all they need for FREE, and the government, i.e. Obama administration wants to increase that? I just dont get the connection...

Actually the President's proposal calls for all Americans to carry health insurance, much like you are required to have insurance for your car.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 7:07 PM

Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

Ok the State Govt can do it then. You can't have it both ways... Insist that people should be responsible, but oppose requiring by law the same responsibility.

 

[WLG]

outcaster - 2/23/2010 7:19 PM

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 7:07 PM

Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

Ok the State Govt can do it then. You can't have it both ways... Insist that people should be responsible, but oppose requiring by law the same responsibility.

So you LIKE the federal government telling you what to do?

 

[Guest]

beetlespin - 2/23/2010 5:35 PM Doc, we did not get a tax cut. The withholding from each paycheck went down about 1% but that just took away from the tax return or added to what people owed. There has not been a tax cut.

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Call it by anything you want to but it is a tax cut, not a tax increase whatever the percentage. We retirees got $250.00 each since we do not work.</p>

 

[Sniperchoke]

Yes we can its called if you don't come up with some way to pay for your healthcare suffer the consequences.

 

[Guest]

WLG - 2/23/2010 8:01 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 7:19 PM

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 7:07 PM Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

Ok the State Govt can do it then. You can't have it both ways... Insist that people should be responsible, but oppose requiring by law the same responsibility.

So you LIKE the federal government telling you what to do?

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Wade, they have always told you what to do in a sence, they tell you how much to pay in income taxes, they tell you how much to pay in fica taxes, they tell you how much sales tax to pay, they make the laws and we abide by them, this is also telling you what to do, now all of a sudden since Obama is in the white house, everyone is looking for different answers. Run for elected office and then you can try to get something done, untill then keep griping and it will get you no where. Call all of our fine senators and represenatives and tell them what you think, they make the rules and they vote on eveyone of them before they are law, Obama or Bush, or whomever never makes a law, congress does.</p>

 

[Sniperchoke]

Doc the gov't making us buy a product from a private company is unprecedented and unconstitutional.

 

[SpurHunter]

outcaster - 2/23/2010 5:37 PM

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 11:39 AM I certainly WILL agree the system is broken. I HAVE health insurance, and if my policy doesnt cover a certain doctor or test, its not covered, and I have to payout of pocket. A person without insurance goes in, gets all they need for FREE, and the government, i.e. Obama administration wants to increase that? I just dont get the connection...

Actually the President's proposal calls for all Americans to carry health insurance, much like you are required to have insurance for your car.

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Danny, the big difference is that you are required to carry insurance, not for YOUR own coverage, but for any damage you do to someone else's property or person. Your only required to carry liability. </p>

 

[Guest]

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 8:51 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 5:37 PM

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 11:39 AM I certainly WILL agree the system is broken. I HAVE health insurance, and if my policy doesnt cover a certain doctor or test, its not covered, and I have to payout of pocket. A person without insurance goes in, gets all they need for FREE, and the government, i.e. Obama administration wants to increase that? I just dont get the connection...

Actually the President's proposal calls for all Americans to carry health insurance, much like you are required to have insurance for your car.

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Danny, the big difference is that you are required to carry insurance, not for YOUR own coverage, but for any damage you do to someone else's property or person. Your only required to carry liability. </p>

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Unless it is a new car and it is financed, then you carry full coverage or the finance company will carry it for you.</p>

 

[Guest]

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 8:43 PM Doc the gov't making us buy a product from a private company is unprecedented and unconstitutional.

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What are they making you "buy" for God's sake? They aren't making me or anyone else buy anything.</p>

 

[WLG]

Doc...didnt say they dont tell us what to do...I asked if you LIKE them telling you what to do. Do you really want MORE government control of things? I for one...do not want a politician republican or democrat...telling me how to run my life. If that makes me a rebel...then guess what...I IS ONE!!!!

 

[outcaster]

WLG - 2/23/2010 9:01 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 7:19 PM

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 7:07 PM

Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

Ok the State Govt can do it then. You can't have it both ways... Insist that people should be responsible, but oppose requiring by law the same responsibility.

So you LIKE the federal government telling you what to do?

Do you mean laws?.... yeah I like most of them. We have laws to force people to act responsibly. Because without them, many of us wouldn't, causing harm to the rest of us. We are a nation that abides by the Rule of Law. Do you dis-approve? I do like the govt (Federal or State) requiring citizens to be financially, and otherwise responsible for healthcare, automobile liability, child support, seat belts, and child car seats to name a few. I don't like paying extra $$ because others act irresponsibly, or in the case of healthcare many can't afford to act responsibly, due to the broken delivery system.

 

[WLG]

outcaster - 2/23/2010 10:10 PM

WLG - 2/23/2010 9:01 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 7:19 PM

Sniperchoke - 2/23/2010 7:07 PM

Requirements for car insurance are per state laws not federal law. The Fed gov't should not force anyone to buy from a private company it is unconstitutional.

Ok the State Govt can do it then. You can't have it both ways... Insist that people should be responsible, but oppose requiring by law the same responsibility.

So you LIKE the federal government telling you what to do?

Do you mean laws?.... yeah I like most of them. We have laws to force people to act responsibly. Because without them, many of us wouldn't, causing harm to the rest of us. We are a nation that abides by the Rule of Law. Do you dis-approve? I do like the govt (Federal or State) requiring citizens to be financially, and otherwise responsible for healthcare, automobile liability, child support, seat belts, and child car seats to name a few. I don't like paying extra $$ because others act irresponsibly, or in the case of healthcare many can't afford to act responsibly, due to the broken delivery system.

As a matter of fact...No...I dont agree with all those LAWS. I do not beleive the government should tell me that I HAVE to wear a seatbelt. I usually Do wear one...But I do not want someone telling me that I HAVE to!!and its gonna be a cold day in hell before I just surrender all the the almighty federal government...I dont care who's in charge!!!

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 9:51 PM

outcaster - 2/23/2010 5:37 PM

SpurHunter - 2/23/2010 11:39 AM I certainly WILL agree the system is broken. I HAVE health insurance, and if my policy doesnt cover a certain doctor or test, its not covered, and I have to payout of pocket. A person without insurance goes in, gets all they need for FREE, and the government, i.e. Obama administration wants to increase that? I just dont get the connection...

Actually the President's proposal calls for all Americans to carry health insurance, much like you are required to have insurance for your car.

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Danny, the big difference is that you are required to carry insurance, not for YOUR own coverage, but for any damage you do to someone else's property or person. Your only required to carry liability. </p>

Spur, that's exactly my point. I don't want to pay higher car insurance rates because my insurance company is having to take on the financial burden when someone else is driving un-insured and causes hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages. That's why we now have laws requiring each of us to carry liability coverage to pay for any damage we may cause to others. It's almost the same with health care. If those us that have health insurance didn't have to pay higher premiums and copays to cover the 40 million or so with no insurance, many of which show up at the ER and run up a $5000.00 bill (that they can't pay) to treat the stomach flu, costs would come down for all of us. Those that find themselves outside of the "for profit" system due to costs, should be allowed to purchase from an affordable public option plan. And those that have chosen to be irresponsible, and refuse good affordable health coverage because they would rather spend that $$ on something else, should be subject to a tax to offset the risk that I am not willing to take with them. Pretty Liberal huh lol

 

[Guest]

WLG - 2/23/2010 9:08 PM Doc...didnt say they dont tell us what to do...I asked if you LIKE them telling you what to do. Do you really want MORE government control of things? I for one...do not want a politician republican or democrat...telling me how to run my life. If that makes me a rebel...then guess what...I IS ONE!!!!

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Wade, they have always done this and we have went right on with our business as usual. If Obama hadn't been elected and McCain was in charge, we wouldn't be having these discussions, we would still go about business as usual. You and I both have had to accept whatever the powers to be handed down all our lives and we will continue doing the same thing years from now.</p>

 

[WLG]

Doc1 - 2/23/2010 11:06 PM

WLG - 2/23/2010 9:08 PM Doc...didnt say they dont tell us what to do...I asked if you LIKE them telling you what to do. Do you really want MORE government control of things? I for one...do not want a politician republican or democrat...telling me how to run my life. If that makes me a rebel...then guess what...I IS ONE!!!!

</p>

Wade, they have always done this and we have went right on with our business as usual. If Obama hadn't been elected and McCain was in charge, we wouldn't be having these discussions, we would still go about business as usual. You and I both have had to accept whatever the powers to be handed down all our lives and we will continue doing the same thing years from now.</p>

Doc..I dont think it matters if Obama..McCain..Jesse Jackson..or Doc1 is president. If they continue to take away our rights and freedoms we will always have these discussions. A little over 200 years ago...a group of folks said enough is enough...and that is why you and I are here in this forum...having this discussion right now!!