Poll: Gill Nets

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Paddlefish generates lots of revenue, although very few are caught.
Catfish are next on revenue.
Majority (I am guessing 75-90% of the poundage) of what is caught by gillnets is carp, suckers (several species), redhorses (several species), gar, and drum. These have little value so you have to catch alot to make it profitable.
 
R14 - 1/11/2008 12:34 PM Majority (I am guessing 75-90% of the poundage) of what is caught by gillnets is carp, suckers (several species), redhorses (several species), gar, and drum.
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SpurHunter - 1/11/2008 12:52 PM

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What is the end-use for these? Fish sticks, fertilizer?</p>

I am not really sure. I know some are processed into gel-filet and ground fish (patties/sticks and such). I believe that a large percentage of them end up in feed and maybe some in fertilizer too. Sometimes the oil is used in makeup and the oil is used to make fish oil vitamins. But the oil is mostly coming from menhadden shad from the Cheasepeak Bay.
 
MrWiskers - 1/11/2008 12:18 PM

Question to the forum:

What fish species are caught using nets beside catfish have a commerial value? Drum, carp, etc. Someone in one of the other threads stated that catfish were half or less of the fish caught for sale by commerial fisherman. If so, what other species are they selling?

Actually a very popular commercial catch (other than catfish) are black buffalo. And that's what they primarily set nets for.
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They get a lot bigger than this picture and are there in large numbers, but like paddlefish, are very rarely caught by anglers. I can't say firsthand but I was told years ago that indeed, fishsticks are made primarily with buffalo.
 
MrWiskers - 1/11/2008 12:18 PM

Question to the forum:

What fish species are caught using nets beside catfish have a commerial value? Drum, carp, etc. Someone in one of the other threads stated that catfish were half or less of the fish caught for sale by commerial fisherman. If so, what other species are they selling?

So carp, buffalo, suckers, etc are the other commerical fish caught in nets.

So I am confused. If gill netting helps keep these "rough" fish populations in check (ie reducing the population) and this is supported by TWRA as a population reducing activitiy, how does this practice not do the same thing to catfish or other game fish?

Nets are nets and do not know what they are trapping. My issue with nets are they are not species specific. Trot lines for example are targeted to can catch mostly catfish with very little by catch. Jugs, limblines, etc are as well due to the types of baits used. Nets catch everything that is too large to swim through the mesh. I would like to know more about net placement and techniques as I would think shallow water nets would also catch trutles.
 
I voted yes. I'm not against commercial fishing in fact I have friends (Pacific fisheries) that are in the business and I worked many moons ago in the business as a kid learning what hard work is. I just hate to see the wasted by-catch of gill nets. Just my $0.02...
 
Something to think about
I am actually new to this site and decided that i would reply to this thread because it is something that i feel very strongly about. I am from Ohio so you may be thinking, why evan put in your .02 cents. I step foot onto these grounds saying that I am not just pointing the finger at the man out netting fish out of our rivers, streams, and lakes. I am just a big time believer in cpr and when taking fish use the selective harvest theory. There is plenty of folks out there abusing our state waters with rod and reel as far as im concerned, but i will say here in ohio very rarely do i see people taking big cats out. I will tell you what I do see though..... Trucks with tanks parked at the boatramp with the words LIVE FISH stamped on the side. I myself don't give a crap if they make a living off netting these fish or not, they are a limited resource. Those who think differently, think about it from one dam to the next it is no different than a lake. Yeah SOME fish make it upstream past dams but not very many. On one occasion fishing the big ohio rive I watched a guy take 27 fish out on one netting trip. I will be honest with you, by law he was doing absolutely nothing wrong! I don't care if he is following the laws or not. The laws need to be changed!! In not mad at the guy one bit. According to law he was doing nothing wrong so why be mad at him or anyone else who is out doing things the legal way. The law in my opinion needs to be changed. BY The way of the 27 fish taken out most were below 20 pounds but he had 2 shovel heads that were for sure over 40 and probably close to 50! Keep that in mind when you read what the researchers below recorded. These studies were probably not done on the rivers you fish in Tennessee but the same principles apply!

Alright don’t ask me why I went and did all this research. I guess it is just what happens when you are fascinated by the “catfish” as much as I am. I was interested in finding out What the lifespan was, how many eggs are laid per spawn year, and what the approximate survival rate is on the eggs that are laid. I decided to research the Flathead, Blue cat, and channel cat. All of this information came from test done by biologists on the ohio and Mississippi river between the years of 1991-1997.

The average flathead catfish lives to be between 22-30 years but is not uncommon to exceed 30 years of age. The average flathead lays approximately 1200 eggs for every pound she weighs and will start to breed at 3 years of age. Of all the eggs she lays only 2% of the hatchlings will make it to maturity which the biologists called 3 years of age. The biologists stated that when a flat head catfish was 3 years old and has her first spawn she would lay approximately 3600 eggs but approx. only 2% would make it to maturity. That number would be about 72 hatchlings that would make it to adulthood. They also stated that a 20 year old fish in there studies would be approximately 37 pounds and would lay approximately 24,000 eggs on her 20th year spawn. The approximate hatchlings that made it to maturity would be 888 hatchlings. Now here is what I thought was really neat. The biologist estimated that from ages 3-20 the female would contribute approx. 432,000 eggs over the 17 years she spawned and the 2% that would survive to maturity would be approximately 8,640 hatchlings that she contributed for me and you to catch! I Just think that is amazing! Now for the bad part. The rough estimate was that at the rate of commercial netting, jugging, trotlining, and hook line and sinker fishing,that less than 20% of the 8,640 would ever make it to see there 20 year birthday in the river which they were hatched in. That brings the number down to 1,728 that make it to 20 years of age in the river system. That means that the next time I catch a nice 25-35 pound flat head im gonna tell her how lucky she is cause 423,360 of her brothers and sisters never made it to maturity and of her 8,640 brothers and sisters that did make it, well 6,912 of them were lost to commercial netters, juggers, trotliners and poor harvesting decisions. Then im gonna slide her right back in the water and hope you get the chance to catch her one day.

The study done on channel cats and blues were all very similar. Hatchling #s were approximately the same and survival rate was about the same to. So the same amount of survivors is very close to what you read above. Im no biologist by any means but I just thought all the ohio brothers would think that this was something neat to read about. I thought It was really neat. It makes me realize just how special some of the bigger fish are in our river systems. I Guess that is why I am so rough on the commercial netters, cause the fish they are netting and taking out are already just a small fraction of what is left. So when it is all over 1,728 fish is only .4% of 432,000 eggs laid. That is what the end result was of the study done by the biologists. .4% that is amazing to me. As far as im concerned every fish we catch out of the river with any size at all is very very lucky to evan be in the river. I will definitely look at these nice fish In a different way now.

Im only going by what the biologists studies say. For all I know they could be way off but they are biologists. I know they gotta be smarter than the average (me).
 
Here is another post i put on the boc. remember the same is happening to your waters if it is being heavily netted.

well the netting is hard for certain people to pass up. one of my buddies bought fish off of a local netter and he charged him the same amount that he charges the pay lakes he sells to which is 2.50 per pound. He bought 6 fish off of the guy and they were various weights but i do know what the bill was. his bill amount was just over 500 dollars. his father bought these fish for him for there new farm pond. It was his b-day gift. it would be easy enough to go out and get 6 fish per night netting i would think. That particular netter is from this area and now has his own paylake. He stocks his own lake and sells fish to. He makes a good livin with that pay lake and when his better half runs the lake he is nettin. It would be nice to not have a boss and just go out and net fish but I will NEVER EVER get that hungry!! me and that particular netter bump heads every time I see him. He never passes up the opportunity to call me a "tree hugger". he saids this because im a cpr fan and don't agree with all the nettin goin on in the river. He just makes the smart ellic remark that while im workin 9-5 he works approximately 2-3 hours a day through the spring summer and fall and makes a hell of a lot more than me. bad part is he's right. and talk about saving money on taxes! Government has no clue how much money hes makin off these fish. My buddy was told to pay cash. With all the paylakes opening around here he is making a small fortune and there is no regulation laws on how many he takes out of this stretch of river. he is another one of those people that thinks there is so many fish in the river he isnt evan putting a dent in the population which right now he may not be. remember the numbers in the study done on hatchlings? those #s were based on 1 Shovelhead catfish and the end result was in her 17 years of spawning approx. only 1,728 fish would make it to 20 years of age. Multiply that by say 100 fish in one year he takes out. In 20 years from now thats when the numbers are missing. 1,728 times 100 fish is approx. 172,800 fish. Thats when the numbers are missing!! thats evan worse, he is robbin fish from me and the future generations. My remark to him is "every fish you take out is just another fish I (you or I) will never get the chance to catch". Its true! you or I will never get the chance to catch that fish in the river. Im not complainin that i don't catch enough fish because I catch my fair share trust me. I would also like to add i am not being selfish. more than likely the folks that paylake fish have a nearby river or lake that would be just as good of fishing as the paylakes they fish. by the way the netters i speak of are getting these fish by mostly gill-nets. Some hoop nets but to me there the same, they are both taking fish out of a "limited resource" waterway. Just because it is not a low means nothing to me. just because it isnt against the law now doesnt mean it shouldnt be!
One netter making a living off of netting fish out of the river is effecting hundreds if not thousands of anglers in the long run. Just look at the numbers the biologists came up with. Think about it if you are a river fisherman. On trips where you go out and catch say 4 good blues or shovelheads in an evening, you might have caught 7 or 8 if those fish were still in the river and not in the mud puddle somewhere in a totally different state evan? Think about the kids, the numbers will be a lot greater and there odds of catching a Large catfish will be greater if they are infact "still there" in the river. I Probably shouldnt have made this my introduction to this site but like i said it is something i feel very strongly about and thought you all might like to see these numbers.
 
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 to a fine forum from Doc1, hope you hang around and give more fishing reports. Most people on here turn the big ones loose and every now and then keep a few eaters for the table. Everyone has their own ideas about the netters, pro and con.
 
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