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Bfish ... he can if he has enough money behind him! I never said an honest man couldn't win!? Honesty wasn't even mentioned in my tirade!? And I never said that the public was stupid! What are you talking about? Please go re read! My point was an average man with out the money can't win against the political money machines as a rule! Also take notice that even the candidates that loose are, millionaires! An average guy has no chance!
 
Bfish - 1/26/2010 5:15 PM

elwestb - 1/26/2010 11:09 AM

... point is, Bfish and everyday guy can't aford to run for office! And if you, as an everyday guy, accept the pact money, then your bacically no better than the guys your ruunning against! Plus, your now in there pocket!

So in other words, the voters are too stupid to vote for an honest guy? I call BS. The best candidate will get elected most of the time, if they continue to do a good job, then it doesn't matter how much money the opposition throws to battle them.

Maybe I have too much faith in others to learn about candidates (just because I do).
Ok, Obama or Mccain? Who is the honest one? Both are progressives. Both supported TARP. We know from Osamas first year in office that he is crooked. And I think we all know Mccain is the same. Who in washington is honest? I dont know of many but I know the options we had sucked. We had to pick from what we thought were the lesser of 2 evils. That is unless someone actually agreed with one or the other. I for one didn't. They suck. I want a humble, George Washington type in office. One who actually cares about "the people" and not fattening their own wallets or their collegues. I want all the "ACORN" type groups to stay out of politics. Remember the news during the elections. Look who was voting for who. There was millions of first time voters over 35 years old voting for Obama. Where did they come from and why? "Obama money! Obama gonna make me rich while I live off the taxpayers. All 10 of my kids gonna get money. Obama knows us and is ganna protect us." Uh yeah, hows that working out? 12 trillion in debt. And no one say it was all Bush. Obama has sucessfully spent more than all the presidents combined. Dont believe me? Look it up. If we were going to have a stupid stimulus, why cant we the people decide what to spend it on? Oh yeah, the government is trying to control us because we are all too stupid to know what is best for our country. The government will protect us, its their job right? Didn't another country go through this a while ago? Oh yeah, Russia, China, heck even Britain is following the communist garbage. It doesn't work. It takes away rights and makes us robots to the government.
 
troutfly, our debt was less than a trillion before Reagan took office, by time Clinton ran for office it was almost 5 trillion. When Bush Jr took office a little over 5 trillion, when Obama took office the debt was over 10 trillion. Hmm. Were do you get that Obama has spent more than any other President. One more thing, no other President has had to pay interest on 10 trillion either. You know mabe the voters need to be honest too. This communist stuff is a lie too, (Modern MaCarthyism) I just wonder if Historians will label this era as the Third Red Scare.
 
elwestb, you are contradicting yourself.

Possum, Third Red Scare good one. When one fails to debate on merits then resort to name calling. Which is straight from the McCarthy playbook and does describe many right-wingers these days.
 
Bfisk, I don't think I've had any condraditions! I keep talking about the "average guy", you keep changeing the verbage to an "honest guy", two different subjects! The whole point is, whether your an honest guy, average guy, or a crook, thug like Marion Berry, or even "ol Rod" up there in the land of Lincoln. You can "buy" the elections if you've got enough money to throw at them and sway public opinion!
 
So an honest guy with no money can't win, is that what your saying?

I disagree. IMO if an honest/average guy wants to run and has a good platform he/she does not need money to invigorate voters.
 
The voters I know don't look to see which candidates is spending the most. A simple website with an average/honest guy's platform clearly listed is well within financial reach of most.
 
Ok, Name someone? Name someone that was under funded, up against one the party machines for Congress, Senete, or a Governorship that won! If they don't have the money "the voters that you know", probably never gave them a second glance because their name really never came up! The "other guy", a party candidate, flooded the media and they were drowned! Ross Perot, Pat Buchannan, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul, just to name a few were all fairly wealthy men, much more so than the average guy, but they could not compete against the party candidates!
 
Perot and Buchannan were defeated because they were primarily single issue candidates. Don't know much about other two.
 
elwestb - 1/27/2010 4:26 PM

Ok, Name someone? Name someone that was under funded, up against one the party machines for Congress, Senete, or a Governorship that won!

Linked to it already on page one of this thread but here it is for those too lazy to click and read:
The underfunded Senate candidate won in:

Delaware 2000
Florida 2000
Michigan 2000
Missouri 2000
New York 2000
Arkansas 2002
Georgia 2002
Missouri 2002
New Hampshire 2002
New Jersey 2002
North Carolina 2004
Oklahoma 2004
South Carolina 2004
South Dakota 2004
 
... never heard of any of those every day average guys! Who are they? What are the names? Are you sure they still weren't millionaires? What source is this? Who said? That's just a meaningless list!
 
... your the one that seems not to be able to back up there your statements! Go read the post about the Campaign Finance Reform that snipershoke posted! When you grow up and decide to run for office, let us all know and maybe we'll all try to vote for you! You have a nice life now!
 
Possum - 1/27/2010 7:58 AM

troutfly, our debt was less than a trillion before Reagan took office, by time Clinton ran for office it was almost 5 trillion. When Bush Jr took office a little over 5 trillion, when Obama took office the debt was over 10 trillion. Hmm. Were do you get that Obama has spent more than any other President. One more thing, no other President has had to pay interest on 10 trillion either. You know mabe the voters need to be honest too. This communist stuff is a lie too, (Modern MaCarthyism) I just wonder if Historians will label this era as the Third Red Scare.
Um, no. The actual debt is 107 trillion. Everyone who actually voted Obama still beats the dead horse with the "Bushs' fault" argument. Look at the spending in the last year. Obama has spent, spent, spent OUR way into more debt. He has done nothing but spend. There has been 0 progress in getting us out of debt. Remember, he voted in support of the TARP situation. He is at fault for the debt as much as anybody else and his cabinet continues to accuse Bush. Now, I am in no way a fan of Bush, and I believe that Mccain would have been just as bad as this a hole in there now. The fact is, he is not so stupid as to think that the more money we borrow and print and spend, will eventually get us out of debt. That is stupid. You wouldnt run your home or business that way. I believe he is trying to bust America so that we will be a one world government. I think he wants to be leader of something more than what he is. This is economics 101. You cant get out of debt by continuing to borrow money, that is, unless you are brain-dead. I hate to offend you as an Obama supporter, and for that I am sorry. But the communist statement. Do you really think that we have the same rights today as we did 100 years ago? Do you think that Obama is in favor of the Constitution? He is a progressive, just like that tyrant FDR, who wrote "The 2nd Bill of Rights". He wants to take away our rights to posses guns. This he has voted for a million times when he was a big-wig in Chicago. But, you have your right to speak your opinion and I do too, for now anyways. But since we disagree, I think we have exhausted our argument because you are obviously a progressive and I a libertarian and I dont think we can agree on the subject.
 
Hey Troutfly, you got brains.. Good read pardner. My parents and others in that age bracket think FDR was the greatest ever."he got us out of the depression". And my parents and others like them would put that into the head of their children and so on.
FDR was setting up to take control of the USA. Free health care, SSI, food stamps,government subsidies free meals, etc. The economy was terrible and getting worse, 17-18% unemployment in 1941, then WW II happened. Saved FDR's butt.
Control the media, control the people
 
Why do I get the feeling sniperchoke, eyeman2, and troutfly are all related. 107 trillion, are you kidding me? wow.
 
1 million seconds = 12 days, so a million seconds ago would be June 12, 2009

1 billion seconds = 32 years ago, wow, way back in 1977

1 trillion seconds = 32,000 years, approximately 30,000 years BC,
before Christ!


How is it possible to spend it if we cant count it?
 
troutfly - 1/27/2010 10:36 PM

1 million seconds = 12 days, so a million seconds ago would be June 12, 2009

1 billion seconds = 32 years ago, wow, way back in 1977

1 trillion seconds = 32,000 years, approximately 30,000 years BC,
before Christ!


How is it possible to spend it if we cant count it?

Ok maybe we should rename this tread Re blond icans and demon rats?
 

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