Rejuvenade and fish care

[Carl Guffey]

<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">FLW has a new sponsor if you noticed the signage at the weigh-in. "OXYGENATOR" has come on board and the blue stuff was a fish formula from them called"Bait Booster". It does state clearly on the package that it is "NOT" for human consumption. I have some problems with that but I will post more information as I am able to investigate the formula. </font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The new"blue" formula, U2 will treat 60 gallons in the small bottle and larger bottles are available. It is supposed to detoxify nitrites, remove ammonia, chlorine, chloramines, and heavy metals. It is also will replace lost slime coat or at least that is the way the bottle reads. You can read more from the following web-site: http://www.keepfishalive.com/product-flush.html</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">There is also a formula for use in salt water.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">Just opened the package, printed on the inside, the formula is "non-toxic to humans, pets, and aquatic life".</font></p>

 

[Sniperchoke]

Hey Carl can you investigate the Sure-Life products as well????

 

[Carl Guffey]

<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">I would be glad to look at it and report what I find. I will have to say though that for simplicity, ease of use, and expense. The simple salt solution is way ahead of anything on the market.</font>

 

[1nova]

Several years ago, under a different user name, I got chastised for mentioning that the livewell conditioners are not approved for use with potential food fish. I am glad more people are willing to listen theses days.

Fishinvol, the blue is copper salts, which don't calm fish, but does kill protozoa and other parasites. Can be toxic if dose isn't correct. And not approved for human consumption.

 

[duckhunter4hire]

What does adding peroxide to the water do?

 

[Carl Guffey]

<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">I have posted on here about the use of Hydrogen Peroxide and you can find the thread with the search engine and you can read what everyone said then.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">To answer your post:</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">Nothing, at best it would only be a short term effect if you know all of the pertinent information. If you were fishing professionally and it was the last day and the bag of fish you had could win you a large amount of money and your livewell shutdown. You could possibly nurse the fish back to the weigh-in with the addition of hydrogen peroxide used to add additional oxygen to the water. It might keep you from receiving a dead fish penalty and possibly win the tournament.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">Hydrogen Peroxide is caustic and to much used in a tank will cause serious damage to the fish gills. The fishwill possibly survive through the weigh-in but probably not after. There are a lot of options that are inexpensive and pose little or no danger to the fish or their environment. It just takes a little time to learn about them.</font></p>

 

[hydra1]

good post I did not know that

 

[Fish Hunter]

Carl Guffey - 4/22/2011 11:23 AM



<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">FLW has a new sponsor if you noticed the signage at the weigh-in. "OXYGENATOR" has come on board and the blue stuff was a fish formula from them called"Bait Booster". It does state clearly on the package that it is "NOT" for human consumption. I have some problems with that but I will post more information as I am able to investigate the formula. </font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The new"blue" formula, U2 will treat 60 gallons in the small bottle and larger bottles are available. It is supposed to detoxify nitrites, remove ammonia, chlorine, chloramines, and heavy metals. It is also will replace lost slime coat or at least that is the way the bottle reads. You can read more from the following web-site: http://www.keepfishalive.com/product-flush.html</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">There is also a formula for use in salt water.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">Just opened the package, printed on the inside, the formula is "non-toxic to humans, pets, and aquatic life".</font></p>

Carl, the U2 formula used in conjunction with the Oxygenator has made a huge difference for us! I spoke at length last year with the VP of the Oxygenator company and he enlightened us on several facts regarding the product and about a lot of the misinformation we have been getting for years. The Oxygenator alone keeps fish extremely lively because the micro bubbles(looks like its smoking under water) don't even break the surface of the water and the water maintains that oxygenation versus the bubbles in normal aerators that just foat up and break on the surface.
He also said how needless it is to use ice to cool your livewell. I questioned him on this one and he told me that he used ice for 30+ years until the team of scientists working on the product told him it was a silly waste of time. Although it is true that cooler water holds oxygen better, you are not adding oxygen by cooling down warmer water! It is better to fill your live well early before the water heats up, but not a must. Think about it....the fish was swimming just fine in the 85-90 degree water you caught him in, right? It is not the temp. at all but the oxygen levels in the water that sustain the fish in your well! We stopped using ice in the well over a year ago and the fish will still try to jump out of it at the end of the day! The U2 formula you mentioned does a great job with bleeding and removing impurities in the water without the use of salt!

 

[Carl Guffey]

<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">Just fromthe tests that I worked on I will have to agree with a lot of what you said. I don't agree with not cooling the water. There are times during the summer when fish are caught out on main channel ledges or up in the river with current from the dam upstream. The water will be up to 20 degrees cooler than the weigh-in sites. With this in mind it can be a good thing to gently transition fish through the day with water that is 10 degrees cooler than the lake surface area. That way they will not be in for as much shock from a sudden change in water temperature. The other thing is cooler water can hold a higher percentage of oxygen, not that it has it in it already. So if you cool the water down some and in conjunction with other means of supplying oxygen,a larger weight of fish could be safely handled.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">The other thing is the salt. Salt will calm a fish down, having lively fish during a weigh in leads to fish being bruised or hurt from bouncing against other objects. There is a formula available for use with salt water. Whom ever is using it would just have to allow for the difference of the PPT(parts per thousand)of salt versus true salt water. </font></p>

 

[blazer]

thanks carl for the post.i will have to try the salt this year.

 

[Sniperchoke]

IMO adding just salt does not tranquilize, reduce amonia, remove chlorine, reduce infection in an all in one solution like Sure-Life claims. So while it is more expensive it saves me time. I don't have to let water set to remove chlorine before I freeze it. I don't have to worry about getting the salt mixture just right, and I don't have to worry about putting hydrogen peroxide in the tank as well. Doug Hannon the Bass Proffessor endorses Sure-Life you can check out the videos on sure-lifes website. It has my vote. For whatever its worth.

 

[Carl Guffey]

<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">As I said before I am going to purchase the Sure-life and see how it works. I have begun reading some of the pertinent information and while I don't agree with some of the literature we will just have to see how it performs. Just because someone says it is good dosen't mean it is the best available.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">I have been pushing the salt. In the current economic times, it is inexpensive and will do a lot of good for the fish. Truthfully it may not be the very best but as said in a post before,"it is a lot better than nothing at all." Salt will calm the fish and make them much easier to handle. Currently we do not need to cool the water, so a simple half empty and refill at least once during the day will remove ample ammonia. No matter what we use, our main goal is fish care.</font></p>

 

[kdxdude]

Carl Guffey - 4/25/2011 5:54 PM



<font face="georgia,palatino" size="2">As I said before I am going to purchase the Sure-life and see how it works. I have begun reading some of the pertinent information and while I don't agree with some of the literature we will just have to see how it performs. Just because someone says it is good dosen't mean it is the best available.</font></p>

<font face="Georgia" size="2">I have been pushing the salt. In the current economic times, it is inexpensive and will do a lot of good for the fish. Truthfully it may not be the very best but as said in a post before,"it is a lot better than nothing at all." Salt will calm the fish and make them much easier to handle. Currently we do not need to cool the water, so a simple half empty and refill at least once during the day will remove ample ammonia. No matter what we use, our main goal is fish care.</font></p>

I agree with the last sentences in each paragraph.

 

[elwestb]

Last year, I stopped using the "blue stuff" and the peroxide. Went to just ice and non iodine salt just like Carl said. Never had a problem!

 

[brushhog]

tttt

 

[brushhog]

interesting article,i have always used bio-soap to clean the 50 gallon live wells in the stratos and as far as i know we have never lost a fish,we brought back 2 giant smallies from lake erie to the house to be mounted,they stayed in there for 3 days with no problems, my buddy talked me into buying some blue crystal looking stuff in a white bottle about 3 years ago and have never used it.....

 

[nickajack-smack]

Best stuff ever made is called stress coat you can get it at wal-mart in the aquarium section

 

[hippi97]

I have started using the stress coat as well. Haven`t lost a fish so far this year.

 

[MadBomber]

For those of you who don't know Carl Guffy, He is the Conservation Director of the Tennessee Bass Federation. He does not shoot from the lip, like so many on this forum, including me sometimes. He does his research and keeps up with the latest info. Give his advice some serious consideration.

 

[fishinvol]

Fish Hunter - 4/23/2011 5:24 AM

Carl Guffey - 4/22/2011 11:23 AM

<font size="2" face="georgia,palatino">FLW has a new sponsor if you noticed the signage at the weigh-in. "OXYGENATOR" has come on board and the blue stuff was a fish formula from them called"Bait Booster". It does state clearly on the package that it is "NOT" for human consumption. I have some problems with that but I will post more information as I am able to investigate the formula. </font></p>

<font size="2" face="Georgia">The new"blue" formula, U2 will treat 60 gallons in the small bottle and larger bottles are available. It is supposed to detoxify nitrites, remove ammonia, chlorine, chloramines, and heavy metals. It is also will replace lost slime coat or at least that is the way the bottle reads. You can read more from the following web-site: http://www.keepfishalive.com/product-flush.html</font></p>

<font size="2" face="Georgia">There is also a formula for use in salt water.</font></p>

<font size="2" face="Georgia">Just opened the package, printed on the inside, the formula is "non-toxic to humans, pets, and aquatic life".</font></p>

Carl, the U2 formula used in conjunction with the Oxygenator has made a huge difference for us! I spoke at length last year with the VP of the Oxygenator company and he enlightened us on several facts regarding the product and about a lot of the misinformation we have been getting for years. The Oxygenator alone keeps fish extremely lively because the micro bubbles(looks like its smoking under water) don't even break the surface of the water and the water maintains that oxygenation versus the bubbles in normal aerators that just foat up and break on the surface. He also said how needless it is to use ice to cool your livewell. I questioned him on this one and he told me that he used ice for 30+ years until the team of scientists working on the product told him it was a silly waste of time. Although it is true that cooler water holds oxygen better, you are not adding oxygen by cooling down warmer water! It is better to fill your live well early before the water heats up, but not a must. Think about it....the fish was swimming just fine in the 85-90 degree water you caught him in, right? It is not the temp. at all but the oxygen levels in the water that sustain the fish in your well! We stopped using ice in the well over a year ago and the fish will still try to jump out of it at the end of the day! The U2 formula you mentioned does a great job with bleeding and removing impurities in the water without the use of salt!

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I use the oxygenator and U2 formula. Both are great. </p>