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troutfly - 1/22/2010 12:35 AM

Bfish - 1/21/2010 6:35 PM

Sniperchoke - 1/21/2010 5:58 PM

Hopefully the scopes are accurate and kill plenty of Muslim Extremist Terrorists.
and Christian Extremist Terrorist and Hindus and Buddhism and Judaism and so on. All Radical Extremist are dangerous. emoBadLanguage
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haveny you guys heard of all the christians with bombs strapped to them to kill unbelievers? Those crazy christian suicide bombers, LOOK OUT! Ha ha. And to say anything about extremist hindus or buddist show that you cant tell the difference of religions. There are better religions to label as extremists, yet muslems are the only ones who threaten the lives of those who dont believe in allah. Buddists are peaceful athiests. Hindus are peaceful polythiests. I dont know of any extreme Jews, nor have I ever heard of them. The fact is, political correctness is what your statement reverts back to. As far as christian extremists, I can name a few, yet not to the extent of trying to commit genocide. Plus, I would question any christians faith is they wished harm on others. As far as my own opinion, I dont care what you believe. But if you try to "soften up" the people who want us dead by pointing fingers, then shame on you. Lastley, the koran insists on believers doing harm to infidels/nonbelievers. So these extremists are actually just faithful muslims. The Bible doesnt tell us to seek harm on others or to kill others for unbelief, does it? :emoticon:
The Koran does not advocate killing people. The Bible says thou shall not kill, but like Muslims we find a way to justify in doing so. Christians has thier extermist, KKK and so on, they do to. When they put these verses on these scopes what were they trying to prove. In know way does it make sense to me. Maybe killing is a necessary evil. Bunch of dumb butts if you ask me.
 
Possum - 1/23/2010 5:19 PM

troutfly - 1/22/2010 12:35 AM

Bfish - 1/21/2010 6:35 PM

Sniperchoke - 1/21/2010 5:58 PM

Hopefully the scopes are accurate and kill plenty of Muslim Extremist Terrorists.
and Christian Extremist Terrorist and Hindus and Buddhism and Judaism and so on. All Radical Extremist are dangerous. emoBadLanguage
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haveny you guys heard of all the christians with bombs strapped to them to kill unbelievers? Those crazy christian suicide bombers, LOOK OUT! Ha ha. And to say anything about extremist hindus or buddist show that you cant tell the difference of religions. There are better religions to label as extremists, yet muslems are the only ones who threaten the lives of those who dont believe in allah. Buddists are peaceful athiests. Hindus are peaceful polythiests. I dont know of any extreme Jews, nor have I ever heard of them. The fact is, political correctness is what your statement reverts back to. As far as christian extremists, I can name a few, yet not to the extent of trying to commit genocide. Plus, I would question any christians faith is they wished harm on others. As far as my own opinion, I dont care what you believe. But if you try to "soften up" the people who want us dead by pointing fingers, then shame on you. Lastley, the koran insists on believers doing harm to infidels/nonbelievers. So these extremists are actually just faithful muslims. The Bible doesnt tell us to seek harm on others or to kill others for unbelief, does it? :emoticon:
The Koran does not advocate killing people. The Bible says thou shall not kill, but like Muslims we find a way to justify in doing so. Christians has thier extermist, KKK and so on, they do to. When they put these verses on these scopes what were they trying to prove. In know way does it make sense to me. Maybe killing is a necessary evil. Bunch of dumb butts if you ask me.
sound good but its wrong. I dont believe that a person who advocates hate is a christian, whether they call themselves one or not. Look at the muslims. When they bomb and kill, they rejoice because they are doing the will of their god allah. And since the koran DOES advocate violence, they are not extremist but rather faithful. And like I stated before, Trijicon doesnt have to have a reason to put the verses on the scopes. Freedom of speech and religion. Once again, the military could have went with EOTech or any other brand they wanted. Dumb butts or not, its their right as American citizens. Power to the people!
 
Are you kidding me?..... It's really easy to say if that someone from from the Christian Faith commits a violent act then they are not truly a Christian. It has not always been that way. I cringe every time I drive by a church with a banner announcing "Crusade Revival" Surely they studied Religious History in Bible College. The Christian Religion has a horrible record of violence in the name of God. Ever heard of the Crusades. The Inquisition, Slavery, persecution and killing of early Scientists and agnostics, American Indian slaughter, and removal: all carried out in the Name of God with the blessing of the Church. South and Central American was converted to Christianity at the point of a gun. More recent, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Eric Holder, all committing acts of terror in the name of their Lord and Savior. Christians tend to have a short memory when it comes to History. The other people and Religions of the world, tend to have a long memory. Just another reason I don't belong to ANY organized Religion
 
Possum - 1/23/2010 6:19 PM

troutfly - 1/22/2010 12:35 AM

Bfish - 1/21/2010 6:35 PM

Sniperchoke - 1/21/2010 5:58 PM

Hopefully the scopes are accurate and kill plenty of Muslim Extremist Terrorists.
and Christian Extremist Terrorist and Hindus and Buddhism and Judaism and so on. All Radical Extremist are dangerous. emoBadLanguage
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haveny you guys heard of all the christians with bombs strapped to them to kill unbelievers? Those crazy christian suicide bombers, LOOK OUT! Ha ha. And to say anything about extremist hindus or buddist show that you cant tell the difference of religions. There are better religions to label as extremists, yet muslems are the only ones who threaten the lives of those who dont believe in allah. Buddists are peaceful athiests. Hindus are peaceful polythiests. I dont know of any extreme Jews, nor have I ever heard of them. The fact is, political correctness is what your statement reverts back to. As far as christian extremists, I can name a few, yet not to the extent of trying to commit genocide. Plus, I would question any christians faith is they wished harm on others. As far as my own opinion, I dont care what you believe. But if you try to "soften up" the people who want us dead by pointing fingers, then shame on you. Lastley, the koran insists on believers doing harm to infidels/nonbelievers. So these extremists are actually just faithful muslims. The Bible doesnt tell us to seek harm on others or to kill others for unbelief, does it? :emoticon:
The Koran does not advocate killing people. The Bible says thou shall not kill, but like Muslims we find a way to justify in doing so. Christians has thier extermist, KKK and so on, they do to. When they put these verses on these scopes what were they trying to prove. In know way does it make sense to me. Maybe killing is a necessary evil. Bunch of dumb butts if you ask me.
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<font face="Arial" size="3">Even Muhammed practiced beheadings, According to “Sirat A, Rasul” page 464. </font></p>

<font face="Arial" size="3">What does the Koran say:</font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">8:12- "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips." </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), <span style="color: red; font-family: Verdana Ref">strike off their heads;</span> at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.” </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">This is what the Islamic terrorists use as their backing to kill hostages.</font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">For the Muslims the Ottoman Empire was the decapitation state par excellence. Upon the Ottoman victory over Christian Serbsat Kosovo in 1389, the Muslim army beheaded the Serbian king and scores of Christian prisoners. At the battle of Varna, the Ottomans beheaded King Ladislaus of Hungary and "put his head at the tip of a long pike … and brandished it toward the Poles and Hungarians." Upon the fall of Constantinople, the Ottomans sent the head of the dead Byzantine emperor on tour to major cities in the sultan's domains. The Ottomans even beheaded at least one Eastern Orthodox patriarch. In 1456, the sultan allowed the grand mufti of the empire to personally decapitate King Stephen of Bosnia and his sons—even though they had surrendered and, seven decades later, the sultan ordered 2,000 Hungarian prisoners beheaded. In the early nineteenth century, even the British fell victim to the Ottoman scimitar. An 1807 British expedition to Egypt resulted in "a few hundred spiked British heads left rotting in the sun outside Rosetta." </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Beheading has particular prominence in Saudi Arabia. In 2003 alone, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia beheaded more than fifty people. This number included both Muslim and non-Muslim workers. Over the past two decades, the Saudis have decapitated at least 1,100 for alleged crimes ranging from drug running to witchcraft and apostasy. The Saudi government not only uses beheadings to punish criminals but also to terrorize potential opponents. One famous example involved a Saudi national guardsman named Juhayman al-'Utaybi. In late 1979, the start of the fifteenth century in the Islamic calendar, 'Utaybi declared his brother-in-law Muhammad bin Abd Allah al-Qahtani to be the Mahdi. They seized control of the holy mosque in Mecca and called on all Saudis to rise up against the government in Riyadh. The house of Saud responded forcibly with a shock-and-awe campaign. After a bloody battle, they regained control of the holy mosque. Within weeks, they had hunted down and either killed or captured the Mahdists. In early 1980, the Saudi government publicly beheaded 'Utaybi and his imprisoned followers. While outsiders may consider the Saudi practice barbaric, most Saudi executions are swift, completed in one sword blow. </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">In contrast to thh Saudis, Zarqawi and his followers have chosen a slow, torturous sawing method to terrorize the Western audience.</font></p>

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Sniperchoke - 1/23/2010 7:53 PM

They are a private company they can put anything they want to on their product.
Only when selling to citizens, not when selling to the government, especially when the bid specifically calls for no religious symbolisms.
 
Bfish - 1/25/2010 11:11 PM

Sniperchoke - 1/23/2010 7:53 PM

They are a private company they can put anything they want to on their product.
Only when selling to citizens, not when selling to the government, especially when the bid specifically calls for no religious symbolisms.
"One nation under God", "In God we trust" Either way, the military choose them. The verses have always been there.
 
AirrusBoy - 1/25/2010 1:26 PM



Possum - 1/23/2010 6:19 PM

troutfly - 1/22/2010 12:35 AM

Bfish - 1/21/2010 6:35 PM

Sniperchoke - 1/21/2010 5:58 PM

Hopefully the scopes are accurate and kill plenty of Muslim Extremist Terrorists.
and Christian Extremist Terrorist and Hindus and Buddhism and Judaism and so on. All Radical Extremist are dangerous. emoBadLanguage
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haveny you guys heard of all the christians with bombs strapped to them to kill unbelievers? Those crazy christian suicide bombers, LOOK OUT! Ha ha. And to say anything about extremist hindus or buddist show that you cant tell the difference of religions. There are better religions to label as extremists, yet muslems are the only ones who threaten the lives of those who dont believe in allah. Buddists are peaceful athiests. Hindus are peaceful polythiests. I dont know of any extreme Jews, nor have I ever heard of them. The fact is, political correctness is what your statement reverts back to. As far as christian extremists, I can name a few, yet not to the extent of trying to commit genocide. Plus, I would question any christians faith is they wished harm on others. As far as my own opinion, I dont care what you believe. But if you try to "soften up" the people who want us dead by pointing fingers, then shame on you. Lastley, the koran insists on believers doing harm to infidels/nonbelievers. So these extremists are actually just faithful muslims. The Bible doesnt tell us to seek harm on others or to kill others for unbelief, does it? :emoticon:
The Koran does not advocate killing people. The Bible says thou shall not kill, but like Muslims we find a way to justify in doing so. Christians has thier extermist, KKK and so on, they do to. When they put these verses on these scopes what were they trying to prove. In know way does it make sense to me. Maybe killing is a necessary evil. Bunch of dumb butts if you ask me.
</p>

<font face="Arial" size="3">Even Muhammed practiced beheadings, According to “Sirat A, Rasul” page 464.  </font></p>

<font face="Arial" size="3">What does the Koran say:</font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">8:12- "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."  </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">47:4-  “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight),  <span style="color: red; font-family: Verdana Ref">strike off their heads;</span>  at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.” </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">This is what the Islamic terrorists use as their backing to kill hostages.</font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">For the Muslims the Ottoman Empire was the decapitation state par excellence. Upon the Ottoman victory over Christian Serbs at Kosovo in 1389, the Muslim army beheaded the Serbian king and scores of Christian prisoners. At the battle of Varna, the Ottomans beheaded King Ladislaus of Hungary and "put his head at the tip of a long pike … and brandished it toward the Poles and Hungarians." Upon the fall of Constantinople, the Ottomans sent the head of the dead Byzantine emperor on tour to major cities in the sultan's domains. The Ottomans even beheaded at least one Eastern Orthodox patriarch. In 1456, the sultan allowed the grand mufti of the empire to personally decapitate King Stephen of Bosnia and his sons—even though they had surrendered and, seven decades later, the sultan ordered 2,000 Hungarian prisoners beheaded. In the early nineteenth century, even the British fell victim to the Ottoman scimitar. An 1807 British expedition to Egypt resulted in "a few hundred spiked British heads left rotting in the sun outside Rosetta."  </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Beheading has particular prominence in Saudi Arabia. In 2003 alone, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia beheaded more than fifty people. This number included both Muslim and non-Muslim workers. Over the past two decades, the Saudis have decapitated at least 1,100 for alleged crimes ranging from drug running to witchcraft and apostasy. The Saudi government not only uses beheadings to punish criminals but also to terrorize potential opponents. One famous example involved a Saudi national guardsman named Juhayman al-'Utaybi. In late 1979, the start of the fifteenth century in the Islamic calendar, 'Utaybi declared his brother-in-law Muhammad bin Abd Allah al-Qahtani to be the Mahdi. They seized control of the holy mosque in Mecca and called on all Saudis to rise up against the government in Riyadh. The house of Saud responded forcibly with a shock-and-awe campaign. After a bloody battle, they regained control of the holy mosque. Within weeks, they had hunted down and either killed or captured the Mahdists. In early 1980, the Saudi government publicly beheaded 'Utaybi and his imprisoned followers. While outsiders may consider the Saudi practice barbaric, most Saudi executions are swift, completed in one sword blow. </font></p>

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">In contrast to thh Saudis, Zarqawi and his followers have chosen a slow, torturous sawing method to terrorize the Western audience.</font></p>

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Thats all taken out of context. Radicals have used those type of text to justify their radical ideals. Christians have done the same thing with scripture at one time or another during the Holocaust, Slavery, burning witches and what not. I think both the Bible and the Koran make it clear that God does not stand with the aggressor. In both, God lets people knows he also loves our enemy, and not to harm the innocent. Thats my take anyway.
 
At what point do you leftys defend yourselves or your nation. You can only pray for an enemy for so long and then he lops your head off.
 
Easy now, the Bible makes it clear that we have the right to defend ourselves I think. As far as defending ourselves, or our nation I don't find it a left or right issue. For the most part Americans have stood together on this issue.
 
You talking about all the skin heads? Neo Nazis far right extremist? Anti government Timothy McVeay types or what? Far left not much better in my book.
 
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Thats all taken out of context. Radicals have used those type of text to justify their radical ideals. <font color="#cc3300">Christians have done the same thing with scripture at one time or another during the Holocaust, Slavery, burning witches and what not</font>. I think both the Bible and the Koran make it clear that God does not stand with the aggressor. In both, God lets people knows he also loves our enemy, and not to harm the innocent. Thats my take anyway.[/QUOTE]</font></font></p>

<font size="2" face="Arial">Yes, Christians HAVE, but for the most part we dont now. We have to focuson the present right? The reality is the extremsits ARE doing it right NOW. History's wrongs, dont make it right to do to another. At some point reconciliation must occur for peace to prosper. Like it or not, and contrary to Obama's belief's, we are a Christain nation, and history has shown we can make peace with our one-time enemies, British, Mexico, etc. Are the Muslims trying to move on?</font></p>

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We do have to focus on the present, I think that was my point, I was reponding to another post and if I did not make it clear enough thank you for doing so. As far as being a Christian nation, well most of the people here are Christians. We are a democratic nation, with a constitution that has some really good stuff in it to protect our rights, which allow you to be a Christian or whatever. Muslims are trying to move on, most are not extremist. If they were why would we have went there in Dessert Storm to begin with. We are not at war with Islam. We were not at war with Christians when we went to Kosovo to protectect Albanian Muslims. Spur you are not advocating us becoming a Theocracy are you?
 
I'm talking about the jerks in the middle east that are using their religion to brainwash their youth into committing acts of terrorism. Just like the Hitler youth did to the Jews. The only answer is to destroy these leaders so do you lefties have the guts to do it or not.
 
Absolutly. I don't think anyone has tucked their tail and ran out of Afgan. If you guys would have listened to us Democrat's in the late 80's the Taliban would not have been able to go in and brainwashed the kids of Afgan after the soviets were driven out. Waste of money, not much political gain in throwing money at a country no longer at war.
 
What i love most about Christians is that no matter what they figure out a way to put God in situations on defend him with the mysterious ways speech.You can beleive in what you want but it doesnt make sense you can see the commandments in the courthouse put you could see a random verse on a military scope.
 

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