unemployment vs welfare

[Eyeman2]

Obama wants to extend unemployment to 120+ weeks. He is blaming the Repubs for holding up the vote..The Repubs say they will vote for it "if you find some $$ in the stimlous $$", you have only used $547 billion of the stim $$.
They found $$ in the previous vote to exten the unemployment to 99 weeks.
See whats going on,,,vote time at the polls, and the Dems will say the Repubs have NO HEART by holding the benfits up on unemployed people..
If you can get free money, who are you going to vote for...Just like Welfare,,,who you gonna vote for??

FEE is dngourous!!

 

[Guest]

They gotta do something Eyeman to try to cover for all the mess the country is in. Think it's bad now just wait a couple more months when the election draws nearer. The country wants the commie libs out and they can't take it. They will stop at nothing to try to turn the country around. Funny thing is the idiots have the votes to pass the unemployment without the Republicans. They just want everybody to go down with their ship.

 

[outcaster]

Republicans are reluctant to support extending un-employment benefits for those who need it the most, as if now they are so concerned about "adding to the deficit". Yet they will fight tooth and nail to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 3%, the ones who need it the least (these tax cuts contributed to the deficit more than un-employment payouts). That's what voters should remember in Nov.

 

[beetlespin]

Consumption tax. No more IRS!

 

[SpurHunter]

The voters should remember things like:
The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect???????

If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

 

[Eyeman2]

The Repubs will vote for it, They just want OBAMA to pay for it out of the stmiulous $$$..That's ALL ..OBAMA does NOT want to, he wants to ADD it to more spending,,,,,, hello?/ anybody home??

 

[Buoy-Master]

Lord knows your right Erik. Take it from those that have it and that trickle down gets to us all.

 

[Eyeman2]

good post Spur..agree..Bush tax cuts are NOT for the Rich...97 million SMALL business in the USA, employ more than all large Corps combined...

 

[Sniperchoke]

Did we forget that the dems have complete control they can vote through whatever they want without a single repub. Politics as usual.

 

[Guest]

Sniperchoke - 7/19/2010 10:56 PM

Did we forget that the dems have complete control they can vote through whatever they want without a single repub. Politics as usual.

This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Yup it is politics as usual. Same old crap like it was during the fight over olbummer care. The communists want someone to blame when their crap don't work.

VOTE 'EM ALL OUT!!!

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 7/19/2010 10:44 PM

The voters should remember things like:
The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect???????

If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

Are the owners of your company in the top 3% of all wage earners? I don't know..... but I doubt it. We are talking about a 4.6% increase for those folks only. When you factor in sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, city and county taxes, fees...... things we all have to pay at the same %rate REGARDLESS of income. The top 3% pays a smaller portion of their financial pie than most of us. Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant. The rich managed to live just fine when the tax rates were 4.6% higher under Clinton, Bush1 , and the beloved Ronald Reagan. Why is the sky falling on them now????? Oh no! What will they do???? How will they survive? Cmon now.

 

[foodsaver]

I love that the conversation is about republicans and democrats. They both SUCK. The author of the book Tragedy & Hope said this "The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies.... is a foolish idea.
Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any elelction without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." I am beginning to believe that is what it has come too. In the last election was there really all that much difference between Mccain's stance on many issues and Obama's? As far as I could tell fiscally they were about the same and on immigration they were about the same. You call them Republicans and Democrats. I call them all free spending entitlement giving trash that needs to be taken out at the next election. Show me a fiscally conservative business man who is for enforcing immigration laws and balancing the budget and I bet he won't be able to run under either parties banner...

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 7/20/2010 12:11 PM

SpurHunter - 7/19/2010 10:44 PM

The voters should remember things like:
The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect???????

If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

Are the owners of your company in the top 3% of all wage earners? I don't know..... but I doubt it. We are talking about a 4.6% increase for those folks only. When you factor in sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, city and county taxes, fees...... things we all have to pay at the same %rate REGARDLESS of income. The top 3% pays a smaller portion of their financial pie than most of us. Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant. The rich managed to live just fine when the tax rates were 4.6% higher under Clinton, Bush1 , and the beloved Ronald Reagan. Why is the sky falling on them now????? Oh no! What will they do???? How will they survive? Cmon now.

Let there be no doubt they will survive it is their employees who might not.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 7/20/2010 2:46 PM

outcaster - 7/20/2010 12:11 PM

SpurHunter - 7/19/2010 10:44 PM

The voters should remember things like:
The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect???????

If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

Are the owners of your company in the top 3% of all wage earners? I don't know..... but I doubt it. We are talking about a 4.6% increase for those folks only. When you factor in sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, city and county taxes, fees...... things we all have to pay at the same %rate REGARDLESS of income. The top 3% pays a smaller portion of their financial pie than most of us. Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant. The rich managed to live just fine when the tax rates were 4.6% higher under Clinton, Bush1 , and the beloved Ronald Reagan. Why is the sky falling on them now????? Oh no! What will they do???? How will they survive? Cmon now.

Let there be no doubt they will survive it is their employees who might not.

To follow your line of logic....... They need the employees that are making them rich.

 

[Bprice]

outcaster - Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm interested to hear where they should put the money? If they make a robust profit and invest (in yielding funds) their slice well, they should receive nice dividends, which they must claim and be taxed on. They could invest in their company, but there comes a time when you can over invest or not have the desire to grow your company outside of your "niche" range. I think many small business owners that I know who make in the $250-500k range (Huntsville has a lot of great small engineering firms who do VERY well)are willing to accept a tax hike, and I don't think it will truly affect their company. What it will affect is how much money they put back in the economy. There is just no way of getting around that when you have 5% less cash on hand.</p>

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 7/20/2010 5:22 PM

Sniperchoke - 7/20/2010 2:46 PM

outcaster - 7/20/2010 12:11 PM

SpurHunter - 7/19/2010 10:44 PM

The voters should remember things like:
The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect???????

If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

Are the owners of your company in the top 3% of all wage earners? I don't know..... but I doubt it. We are talking about a 4.6% increase for those folks only. When you factor in sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, city and county taxes, fees...... things we all have to pay at the same %rate REGARDLESS of income. The top 3% pays a smaller portion of their financial pie than most of us. Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant. The rich managed to live just fine when the tax rates were 4.6% higher under Clinton, Bush1 , and the beloved Ronald Reagan. Why is the sky falling on them now????? Oh no! What will they do???? How will they survive? Cmon now.

Let there be no doubt they will survive it is their employees who might not.

To follow your line of logic....... They need the employees that are making them rich.

They will cut back somehow janitorial service might be cut, landscaper, insurance, all of these amount to higher unemployment. Everyone knows that the private sector invest their own money much more efficiently than the government.

 

[SpurHunter]

outcaster - 7/20/2010 5:22 PM

Sniperchoke - 7/20/2010 2:46 PM

outcaster - 7/20/2010 12:11 PM

SpurHunter - 7/19/2010 10:44 PM The voters should remember things like: The owners of my company fall into the bracket that SOME people call wealthy and will loos the tax credit, so in turn they cutback hiring at work, stop buying lunch for the company once a month, stop the maximum allowed profit sharing contribution to the employees, layoff the pool boys and gardeners at their homes, stop buying new cars each year, cut out the Christmas bonus, not buy a new delivery truck, etc. So WHO does this tax issue affect??????? If Democrats cannot understand trickle-down economics, we are in BIG BIG trouble.

Are the owners of your company in the top 3% of all wage earners? I don't know..... but I doubt it. We are talking about a 4.6% increase for those folks only. When you factor in sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, gasoline taxes, city and county taxes, fees...... things we all have to pay at the same %rate REGARDLESS of income. The top 3% pays a smaller portion of their financial pie than most of us. Any small/medium business owner (not publicly traded), that pays himself a quarter million dollar salary needs a new accountant. The rich managed to live just fine when the tax rates were 4.6% higher under Clinton, Bush1 , and the beloved Ronald Reagan. Why is the sky falling on them now????? Oh no! What will they do???? How will they survive? Cmon now.

Let there be no doubt they will survive it is their employees who might not.

To follow your line of logic....... They need the employees that are making them rich.

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Why is it a sin to make money??
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[Eyeman2]

It's not a sin to make more, but a sin to be greedy, and envy the "love of Money"
I was in business and had employees that drew unemployment, and my state unemployment tax went up each year, the part I had to pay into the "pool". Had no problem with that, BUT, I know that they refused jobs offered them, cause why should they work, when they can "draw".
When it got down to the wire, then & only then did they start looking for a job, and at that time you could only draw for 26 weeks, not 120+ weeks. 2 1/2 years???? !!! gimme a break. Some figure that they can make it to 62-+ and never work again. Who wants to work when you can get $350 week free? just like WIC, Stamps, Gov cards,,,why work,,,you have no desire anymore, you get in a rut.
How 'bout some White Getthos? Ever seen a white Alton Park Project in the burbs? wonder why?Keep 'em beat , dumbed down & on the dole, you got their vote. My first house was built pre WW!!, I lived in it, sold it, and it is still looking good to this day.The Projects are like schools, rebuild them every 20 years, it's only tax payer $$.Next time they'll want another year, cause the economy is bad, cause it's the Bush regime that did it, under Dem control, lets add it to the budget again, don't have to find the money, lets just print some more $100 bills, even though we have 1/2 billion we haven't used in the stimulus $$. Wake Up guys & gals, it ain't peanut butter they are feeding us.

 

[finbully]

beetlespin - 7/19/2010 9:42 PM

Consumption tax. No more IRS!

I agree but doubt it will ever happen. It would put too many government people and laywers out of business. People would not like it either since tax cheating would be diminished.

 

[Eyeman2]

Huntsville, Al engineering firms get a lot of spinn-off government contracts. True?? directly or in-directly..
Kinda like Marietta,GA. engineering firms,Oak Ridge,TN also.
If true, it's tax payers that are keeping these firms going. Not that much building going on,,Atlanta is a disaster as far as foreclosures.
Another million homes being lost this year, that keeps building stale. Too many bargains out there from banks. They pay a realator a flat $2500 to sell the house at just about any price.