Watts Barr Commercial Fishing Ban

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There will be a vote at the Jan. TWRA commissioners meeting about stopping commercial fishing on Watts Barr. This is due to the high PCB contamination in the fish that hs been documented. People have no idea where fish come from when you eat at a restaurant or buy it yourself. The fish could come from waters like Watts Barr with documented high PCB levels. The side benefit is that more catfish and gamefish will be available to anglers, and not lost to commercial fisherman in various ways like I saw posted in previous threads. If you would like to see this pass please email, call, or send a letter before the Jan. meeting to members of the TWRA commission. I have sent mine and received responses from almost all of them. I will give you a link to their emails, phone numbers, and addresses.

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/comnames.html
 
Maybe this can expand to all the lakes that were mentioned. Start with one lake and move from there. Hopefully, this would not be last lake where the commercial fishing is banned.
 
fishinvol - 12/23/2007 1:41 PM

BassBullet - 12/23/2007 10:15 AM

That just means there will be more on Chickamauga.

yep, you're right! Going to suck big time for Chickamauga and Nickajack!!

It already affects the Nuke... big time. We have watched them pull their nets there and club all the good cats on the head. When I told the TWRA creel officer that morning about the 2 big bass we saw go in the net boat he said the judge would probably dismiss the case anyway.
 
Slough entrances just downstream of the Nuke get hit pretty hard too... It's hard to tell the species from a distance, but a few weeks ago I saw one boat throw about 30 fish overboard after pulling up their nets. I do not know if TWRA has quantified and published the impacts to the fishery due to gill net by-kill, but all I could think was that's 30 less fish I have a chance of catching :(

On a positive note we can always be grateful that Chickamauga has no consumption advisories emoThumbsup
 
I hate that anyof the lakes are commercially fished. I think everone that they take is one less that me or my sons/family will be able to catch. That one they take could have been the next 100 LB'er. I hope that in the future this will not be common place on any of our lakes.
 
I couldn't agree more... watching the Indians use their treaty rights in MN used to make us cry. Another reason why we should be aggressively seeking stocking/management through slots to control harvest and increase populations along with quality of fish. My .02
 
I've talked about this issue many, many times before but to me a private person harvesting fish from a public lake is like a logger going up to any state or national park and starting to cut trees down, free of charge, so they can sell them. Those trees are mine and yours, and are not to be used to put cash in someone else's pocket. I feel the same way about the fish in the lake. They belong to the public to use and enjoy, not for a commercial fisherman to profit from. As I have said before, I grew up next door to a commercial fisherman, and knew two others very well. I know what goes on behind the back of the TWRA. It ain't pretty.
 
I agree 100% with the last post. The thing that I would add is that in so many of the places we all fish in TN commercial fisherman negatively effect anglers. Many of you have seen it with your own 2 eyes. The problem is that we, anglers, need to be even more vocal to the TWRA and TN politicians to get more commercial fishing stopped or restricted. I do not think they should ever be able to use nets anywhere in TN. If you want to commercially fish I think they should only be allowed trotlines or baskets, no nets at all. These kinds of ideas along with others people have need to be brought up in writing to the TWRA and TN politicians. There are 300 or less commercial fisherman with license in TN. How can 300 people have so much power over the 1,000++++ anglers in the state? I think many people in the TWRA are working hard for anglers. I have been told numerous times that for catfish anglers voices to be heard even more, we (anglers) need to do a better job of attending commission meetings when they happen. This is especially true when these things are brought up (catfish issues). People could give concrete examples of the absuses that they have seen, and how they would just like to see it (commercial fishing) even more restricted. When the TWRA has meetings the commercial fisherman always show up and anglers do not. For anglers to see a decrease in commercial fishing we, anglers, need to be more vocal and present at these meetings. I would like to see someone draw up a letter to the TWRA and the commission that we (catfish anglers) want commercial fishing even more restricted. I would like to see the ban of nets for commercial catfishing everywhere in TN. If a letter could be drafted anyone that agrees on this site could send a name, number, and address and be part of the letter. I personally feel that we could get tons of signatures. We could all use the same letter and just have different people sign it. Send that letter with a ton of catfish angler signatures to the TWRA and the commission. This could include catfish anglers from across the state of TN and people who catfish in TN from outside the state and bring in revenue. I think someone like Eric M (just to throw out a name) that has had a lot of catfish success, along with many other anglers would hold a lot of weight. If not, what would sending in a letter hurt? The worst it would be is stay at the status quo.
 
I like a lot of your reasoning, Price. I'm not in favor of taking away a man's livelihood, but on the other hand, I am against gill netting on any lake in Tennessee. Let them put out all the trotlines, boxes, etc that they want. Just do away with gill netting. Years ago when I was living in Cumberland county, I had a neighbor whose brother was a commercial fisherman. He told me that he had seen an 85 pound Striper gutted. Sort of makes you sick to even think about.

If gill netting was outlawed on the Chick, then the TWRA would begin stocking stripers in this lake and we would have a fishery that is second to none before too long. Gill netting is detremental to sports fishing by killing many bass, stripers, etc. even if the commercial fisherman didn't mean to kill them. A lot of those guys are honorable, but some are not. There are other jobs besides commercial fishing too.
 
Hey guys I work for TWRA and I can tell you that gill netting or not TWRA is not going to stock stripers in Chickamauga. Gill netting may not be perfect but it takes a ton of rough fish out of the lake. Just for reference there was a much larger population of commercial fishermen on this lake when it was rated as one of the top bass lakes in the states and we had the Bassmasters Classic here. Nothing has changed commercial fishing has a neglible impact on bass populations in mainstream reserviors.
 
3391 I guess I will be the first to ask. Why would TWRA not stock stripers in Chickamauga Lake?
 
I would say it is not cost effective. Stripers are expensive to raise. Hatchery space is limited (actually maxed out). For the price it cost TWRA to raise one striper you could have something like 20 crappie and 20 largemouth and 10 trout.

If hatchery facilities were available, it might be a different story.
 
Thanks for the info Greg, I never would have guessed there were so many comm. guys back in the hay-days of Chick. Makes you wonder.
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Cheeze, I can give you personal review of the 30 year Rockfish Program on Norris Lake and it might make you decide that you might ought to be wary of "what you wish for".
I`m absolutely not an expert or even close to being the most well informed on the subject....but I was an interested bystander.
When the rockfish were first introduced to Norris in the mid `70s ,I don`t remember much buzz either way about the program. But it wasn`t long before the cry was they were eating all the game fish and there wasn`t a whole lot of evidence that they were`nt . Biologists still say they don`t but the program coincided with downturn in the game fishery. Biologists said it was the aging and infertile lake causing the downturn in crappie and bass. They probably were right. Water management in the winter was different than it is now among other things.
Thru personal experience from birth (1954...old geezer) and I mean birth....most of my childhood ,till I was old enough to drive myself to the lake, was spent on Norris with some trips to Loudon for Crappie. We were on the lake EVERY weekend it was warm enough till the early `70s when 4 kids growing up and school sort of took over. Dad and I fished a LOT.... of course we fished for crappie, but caught a lot of bass which Dad considered trash fish. I remember a Boy Scout trip to Point 19 about 1970 when we hit it just right and about 30 11-15 year olds caught hundreds of crappie off of Pilot Island fishing out of canoes and the bank ....with very little input from the adults. They were busy catching too.
Not long after the intro of the Rockfish it wasn`t too many years before they catching 30-40 lbers... and on up into the late 80`s and early 90`s ...50+ was the norm . I`m not sure but I believe quite a few near the 60 lb mark were caught. And you couldn`t hardly catch a bass or crappie. I don`t claim they were eaten by stripers just stating the history. Obviously the Rockfish thrived for whatever reason.
Thru my experience the last 13-14 years fishing club TXs we have caught good weights and one year we had to give the entry fee back because not a keeper (even SPAAATTT) was caught. And I don`t remember the last time a 40lb Rock was caught ....I`m sure some have been caught but nothing like it was in the 80`s and early 90`s. What`s happened to them I don`t know. With the depths of Norris I don`t think winter shad die-offs are a factor like in some lakes and with the explosion of the SPAAATT population you would think there is plenty to eat . My cousin has taken up Striper fishing the last few years he says most of the ones caught on Norris are probably 12-15 lb range with a 20 lber every now and then. So what has happened I don`t know. I do know that the bass fishing has been much better the last few years and I believe there are some monster Smallies there.
Now I understand you can`t hardly compare Norris to Chicamauga. Two completely different fisheries I know. But there is no guarantee that if they were stocked that you would have more to catch.
I do put a lot of faith in the biologists that dedicate there lives to the fisheries and will take there recommendations 98% of the time. I DON`T put much faith in the TWRA Commissioners.... too political.
Obviously there are quite a few Stripers locking thru to the Chic and the Watts Bar fishery has followed Norris in a lot of ways over the years but it didn`t seem to affect the Bass population as much. But you don`t hear of the monster Striper up there that were common years ago.
I`m not trying to start a argument here. Just stating my personal observation .
 
Snuffy, I think you covered pretty well.

You might want to check this out:
http://afs.allenpress.com/perlserv/....1577/1548-8675(2002)022<0406:EOSROS>2.0.CO;2

.....We used bioenergetics models to estimate annual striped bass prey consumption in Norris Reservoir, Tennessee. Total annual consumption was estimated at 52 kg/ha (estimated range = 17–100 kg/ha), clupeids accounting for the majority (94%), followed by lepomids (4%) and other food items (2%). Existing biomass of black basses Micropterus spp., crappies Pomoxis spp., and percids Stizostedion spp. was about 65 kg/ha (estimated range = 35 - 106 kg/ha). Given the complete removal of striped bass, modeling indicated that the most probable increase in the biomass of these sport fishes would be about 3% with a 75% probability that it would be less than 12%. Thus, not even the complete removal of striped bass would measurably increase the biomass of other sport fishes.
 
and another one:
http://afs.allenpress.com/perlserv/...0.1577/1548-8446(2002)027<0010:ACIFM>2.0.CO;2

Angler Conflicts in Fisheries Management: A Case Study of the Striped Bass Controversy at Norris Reservoir, Tennessee

Abstract.—An intensive stocking program initiated in the 1960s in Norris Reservoir, an aging tributary storage impoundment on the upper Tennessee River, created a striped bass (Morone saxatilis) fishery that garnered regional and national attention, particularly from anglers seeking trophy fish. However, some anglers complained of declining catches of native gamefish species. Anglers targeting species other than striped bass postulated that predation by striped bass contributed to the declines of native species. To a lesser extent, interspecific competition for food or space was also considered a factor and anglers complained that their concerns were not being adequately addressed by the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA). Although no data were available to suggest that striped bass were culpable, opponents of the state's striped bass stocking program sought recourse via legislation. In 1995 and 1996, five bills were introduced in the Tennessee state legislature that would have banned the stocking of striped bass into Norris Reservoir and restricted TWRA's ability to propagate or manage all non-native species. Although the bills were defeated, attempts by TWRA to seek reconciliation with anglers opposed to the striped bass program met with little success. In addition to scientifically defensible biological data, human dimensions data are needed to effectively diffuse fishery management disputes between stakeholder groups and management agencies before they escalate to unmanageable levels. Alternative methods of conflict resolution should be carefully considered when polarized stakeholder groups are involved. Effective communication by management agencies of social, economic, and biological impacts of a fishery are essential to stemming future conflicts.
 
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