we are witnessing the worst of both parties now...

[Fishheadspin]

i guess you see what you want to see in every thing. i thought it was admirable for Obama to do what had to be done to get SOMETHING passed. Rich is such a relative term. 250,00 is a ton of money in TN but look at cost of living in California and New York and it is middle class.

 

[Possum]

I feel like $250,000 is stll middle class here. When I refer to Rich, most of the time I not referring to Individuals, but multi-national corporations. Every thing we do in our life time, as well as those before us, multinationals will benifit for years and years to come. They should carry most of the tax burden because they are immortal. They control half our resources and are going to benifit from them long after we are all dead and gone. I understand the logic of a tax on them is a tax on ourselves, however with that logic, since VW is paying its workers half the average of autoworkers, we should see a major drop in the price of VW's. Another assumtion we make is that if we raise their taxes they will pay more. Not really true either, they can invest and take the write offs and get richer that way. Reinvestment (spreading the wealth) is what makes our economy go round, circular flow of income.

 

[Sniperchoke]

No company is immortal. Sorry but the auto unions played a large part in the downfall of our auto industry. By VW not unionizing they will be in a healthier financial position especially in these tough times.

 

[SpurHunter]

Sniperchoke - 12/8/2010 10:05 AM No company is immortal. Sorry but the auto unions played a large part in the downfall of our auto industry. By VW not unionizing they will be in a healthier financial position especially in these tough times.

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[Possum]

I agree it is in VW's best interest. I think the empoyees should also take a pay cut, pay their owm insurance, and maybe pitch in and pay the light bill. Maybe they could mow the grass in their spare time. I am sure that would put VW in a better position as well. I would dare say all VW would have to do is ask.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Possum - 12/8/2010 4:31 PM

I agree it is in VW's best interest. I think the empoyees should also take a pay cut, pay their owm insurance, and maybe pitch in and pay the light bill. Maybe they could mow the grass in their spare time. I am sure that would put VW in a better position as well. I would dare say all VW would have to do is ask.

I bet there are some people in Detroit right now that would mow yards for some money..

 

[Possum]

Sniperchoke - 12/8/2010 5:40 PM

Possum - 12/8/2010 4:31 PM

I agree it is in VW's best interest. I think the empoyees should also take a pay cut, pay their owm insurance, and maybe pitch in and pay the light bill. Maybe they could mow the grass in their spare time. I am sure that would put VW in a better position as well. I would dare say all VW would have to do is ask.

I bet there are some people in Detroit right now that would mow yards for some money..

Yep, they got us right where they want us.

 

[buzz]

Closer to home (TN). Is Nissan union? WAS SATURN?....Just saying?

 

[beetlespin]

Nissan is not union. I'm not sure about Saturn but if imagine it was. None of the transplants are unionized that I know of.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Possum - 12/8/2010 6:27 PM

Sniperchoke - 12/8/2010 5:40 PM

Possum - 12/8/2010 4:31 PM

I agree it is in VW's best interest. I think the employees should also take a pay cut, pay their own insurance, and maybe pitch in and pay the light bill. Maybe they could mow the grass in their spare time. I am sure that would put VW in a better position as well. I would dare say all VW would have to do is ask.

I bet there are some people in Detroit right now that would mow yards for some money..

Yep, they got us right where they want us.


So you would rather an employer go out of business than have a job that pays less??? You have things so backwards there is no way to straighten you out.

 

[Guest]

For sure the NEA has possum right where they want him. Brainwashed and believing all the propaganda they send him. emoRolleyes

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 12/8/2010 9:52 AM

I would love to add something constructive here, but it's pretty much all been said by now.

I will say however, Danny, get ready over the next two years to get even more pissed at the Prez. He has shown his true colors.....he will do whatever it takes to get back in the graces of the swing voters to get elected.

You nailed it Spur! I thought Obama was different. We didn't get much "Change". I would have had more respect for him if he had carried thru with what he said he would do and became a one term President. In the long run we would all be better for it. I really thought the country was ready for "change", but I guess not. Just more of the same. But mark my words...... if this country keeps going down the same road that it's been on for the last decade, we will finally get to the point where the people are really ready to make the changes we need.

In no particular order:
Universal Healthcare
Large reductions in Military spending (around 30%)
Fair tax rates
Raise SS retirement age, Raise SS and Medicare payroll tax cap

All 4 things Must be done...... it won't work if we do some of them and not the others.

 

[Possum]

cheez - 12/8/2010 7:48 PM

For sure the NEA has possum right where they want him. Brainwashed and believing all the propaganda they send him. emoRolleyes

I don't belong to the NRA or any other Union or organization, excuse me I ment NEA.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 12/8/2010 8:03 PM

SpurHunter - 12/8/2010 9:52 AM

I would love to add something constructive here, but it's pretty much all been said by now.

I will say however, Danny, get ready over the next two years to get even more pissed at the Prez. He has shown his true colors.....he will do whatever it takes to get back in the graces of the swing voters to get elected.

You nailed it Spur! I thought Obama was different. We didn't get much "Change". I would have had more respect for him if he had carried thru with what he said he would do and became a one term President. In the long run we would all be better for it. I really thought the country was ready for "change", but I guess not. Just more of the same. But mark my words...... if this country keeps going down the same road that it's been on for the last decade, we will finally get to the point where the people are really ready to make the changes we need.

In no particular order:
Universal Healthcare
Large reductions in Military spending (around 30%)
Fair tax rates
Raise SS retirement age, Raise SS and Medicare payroll tax cap

All 4 things Must be done...... it won't work if we do some of them and not the others.

Hey Danny here is the lie they told us when the gov't inacted Social Security.

Another big congressional lie is Social Security. Here's what a 1936 government pamphlet on Social Security said: "After the first 3 years -- that is to say, beginning in 1940 -- you will pay, and your employer will pay, 1.5 cents for each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year ... beginning in 1943, you will pay 2 cents, and so will your employer, for every dollar you earn for the next 3 years. ... And finally, beginning in 1949, twelve years from now, you and your employer will each pay 3 cents on each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year." Here's Congress's lying promise: "That is the most you will ever pay." Let's repeat that last sentence: "That is the most you will ever pay." Compare that to today's reality, including Medicare, which is 7.65 cents on each dollar that you earn up to nearly $107,000, which comes to $8,185.

The Social Security pamphlet closes with another lie: "Beginning November 24, 1936, the United States government will set up a Social Security account for you ... The checks will come to you as a right." First, there's no Social Security account containing your money, but more importantly, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on two occasions that Americans have no legal right to Social Security payments.

We can thank public education for American gullibility.

 

[bent rod]

beetlespin - 12/7/2010 3:39 PMThe republicans held the middle class hostage so they could extend tax cuts for rich people. Not to be outdone the democrats held the middle class hostage to extend unemployment benefits for another 13 months. However, I like the way Obama snuck the social security tax decrease in there. Not sure how they are paying for all this either.

Not sure either on the paying thing, but you are right on the hostage deal. Anyway somebody elected them, so they must be right?

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 12/8/2010 10:58 PM

outcaster - 12/8/2010 8:03 PM

SpurHunter - 12/8/2010 9:52 AM

I would love to add something constructive here, but it's pretty much all been said by now.

I will say however, Danny, get ready over the next two years to get even more pissed at the Prez. He has shown his true colors.....he will do whatever it takes to get back in the graces of the swing voters to get elected.

You nailed it Spur! I thought Obama was different. We didn't get much "Change". I would have had more respect for him if he had carried thru with what he said he would do and became a one term President. In the long run we would all be better for it. I really thought the country was ready for "change", but I guess not. Just more of the same. But mark my words...... if this country keeps going down the same road that it's been on for the last decade, we will finally get to the point where the people are really ready to make the changes we need.

In no particular order:
Universal Healthcare
Large reductions in Military spending (around 30%)
Fair tax rates
Raise SS retirement age, Raise SS and Medicare payroll tax cap

All 4 things Must be done...... it won't work if we do some of them and not the others.

Hey Danny here is the lie they told us when the gov't inacted Social Security.

Another big congressional lie is Social Security. Here's what a 1936 government pamphlet on Social Security said: "After the first 3 years -- that is to say, beginning in 1940 -- you will pay, and your employer will pay, 1.5 cents for each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year ... beginning in 1943, you will pay 2 cents, and so will your employer, for every dollar you earn for the next 3 years. ... And finally, beginning in 1949, twelve years from now, you and your employer will each pay 3 cents on each dollar you earn, up to $3,000 a year." Here's Congress's lying promise: "That is the most you will ever pay." Let's repeat that last sentence: "That is the most you will ever pay." Compare that to today's reality, including Medicare, which is 7.65 cents on each dollar that you earn up to nearly $107,000, which comes to $8,185.

The Social Security pamphlet closes with another lie: "Beginning November 24, 1936, the United States government will set up a Social Security account for you ... The checks will come to you as a right." First, there's no Social Security account containing your money, but more importantly, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on two occasions that Americans have no legal right to Social Security payments.

We can thank public education for American gullibility.

Remember Al Gore saying "SS needs to be put in a Locked Box"? Everybody laughed at him, then elected George W. Bush.

 

[Guest]

outcaster - 12/9/2010 12:04 AM

Remember Al Gore saying "SS needs to be put in a Locked Box"? Everybody laughed at him, then elected George W. Bush.

And look at where the genius inventor of the internet is today.

Caught cheating and lying to the country and the world on man made global warming.

Caught cheating on his wife.

Now there is a man worth looking up to. emoRolleyes

 

[outcaster]

Our Country would be in much better shape now if he had been elected. BTW Gore never made the claim that he "invented" the Internet. What he did do was..... Come up with the idea, sponsor and write the legislation to allow the internet to be used by the public. Instead of bashing ole Al at every opportunity, instead, you should be thanking him that YOU have access to the Internet.......which in-turn allows you to bash him. Wow! that's Ironic!

 

[Possum]

Cheez, niether you nor I know if the Global warming issue is a lie. What I cannot understand is the anti-eviromentals that love the great outdoors, but not wanting to be better stewards of our environment.

 

[buzz]

And old AL is laughing....all the way to the bank...but not on my dime! emoLaugh