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Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with Walmart brand Super Tech 2 cycle oil- direct injection? It states it meets or exceeds specifications for 2 cycle oil, and it's $11.00 a gallon compared to $30 a gallon for the name brand.
 
I have run it 3 times per week for the last 5 years or so, (and for a long time before that if I remember right,) and have had no problems. However, please realize that this is in an '85 Johnson 140 that is not run as hard as possible - usually 4500 to 5000 rpm. I had to rebuild this engine in '02 or so - but only because the plastic fitting on the oil injection system cracked and broke. I have no idea how well that oil will stand up to the new, high hp engines, but would believe that since it meets requirements that it would be ok for them too.
 
i just used it for my 1995 evinrude intruder 150 v6 seems to be fine after several hours of wide open running
 
I was using it in my 1995 evinrude intruder as well but made the switch to quicksilver and never looked back. I think the quicksilver burns cleaner and my motor seems to idle better..
 
I ran in for 3 years when I lived in Florida on my saltwater boat 2003 150hp carb Johnson, never had any issues. I new several folks that ran it down there in bigger outboards and had good results as well. They were running big rigs that ran miles offshore. It will meet all warrenty requirements of all outboards. It cant be that bad. It did seem to load the plugs up alittle more than other oils when I trolled the boat for hours with it, then I discovered seafoam and that problem was elimintated.
scott
 
You have to remember that wal-mart doesn't make oil. There is someone making it for them and I would suspect it is someone that is in a bottle right beside it as there is not many companies that make it. I have ran it in all my stuff with no issues. I don't run it in my higher RPM motors as I like the synthetic blens for that. This is just my opinion on it.

Also if you run some sea foam in it, it will help keep it clean. I can attest to the ability of sea foam on carbon. I tore taz's engine down and ususally you will see blue fuel in the cylinders, this has black oil in like a car. This stuff has actually cleaned the ring grooves and the heads are almost cleaned and what is there is softened up. It has sold me on it's ability!!!!!!
 
Good topic i was wondering this also.. would be a nice savings.I always use the Johnson/Evinrude brand from Jacks since i have a Johnson.. but for the price i was considering buying some of this.. Continue the feedback.. When I had my tracker I always used quicksilver b/c i bought that boat brand new and i think you were supposed to use quicksilver to keep the warranty..
I haven't done it in a while but I'm sure the boat centers still sell oil pretty cheap from a 55 gallon drum you just bring your own jug, if i remember correctly it was about 15 or 16 dollars to have your jug filled
 
Like wrechin2 said, it is likely Mercury or similar that makes Walmart's oil- that may be why they can't carry Mercury-branded oil (dealer told me this)? Super Tech is NMMA cert., TCW3 oil- I have a partial jug of Mercury-branded oil and a gal. of ST- I'll compare the viscosities and taste. LOL
Regardless, ST is $10.49/ gal, Quicksilver (by Mercury) is $24.49/ gal (Walmart), Mercury- brand is $29.99 at BPS and dealer.
Wrechin, if you have no problem with it, that gives me some peace of mind, you being a gear-head and all. I'm running it in a 2004 Mercury 115.
 
Just bought a Mercury Optimax a couple of months back and was told by dealer that I could run about any brand of direct injection oil except Wal-mart's, the reasion being Wal-mart's brand was causing problem with this engine. So, for now I think I'll stick with Mercury's oil. It would be interesting to hear from others with the Optimax engines, to see what they are running.
 
I couldn't tell you on the optimax's. As I don't deal with them for many,many reasons.

These are my OPINIONS...........sorry so long......

I have heard several mechanics say that they have had to rebuild engines because of "Wal-mart" oil. Then I would say "really!" How did you you determine it was the oil???? Because it was cheap and that is what scuffed the pistons! Then I would ask why the other 5 didn't scuff as they also have the wal-mart oil in them? Then you look at the piston and part of the piston is is missing from running LEAN. Then I would simply explain how fuel itself is a lubricant and also a 50:1 oil mix is 2% oil. 2%! If you have anything in there it will more than likely lubricate it. Most people want to jump on the 1st thing that they THINK has caused it and it is simple to blame the "Cheap oil" or OMC's VRO which is almost a bullet proof system unlike mercurys. There are alot of "Mechanics" that don't know how to determine a failure or how to prevent it. There are many things that I have seen that will scuff pistons. Water in the fuel will lean out a cylinder and scuff it, poor quality of fuel, ect. I had a guy fill up at a marina gas station because he was empty and he put gas in THEN the oil and took off. The problem was the oil was at the top and pure fuel at the bottom. The fuel is picked up at the bottom. It damaged most of the pistons. It would be simple to say it was the brand of oil, but would have been incorrect. Alot of you old timers would remember that you always didn't have 2-stroke oil and you simply used 30W automotive oil in you gas. Were there any issues then? NO. Just the byproduct carbon which they all produce.

I myself have ran it for many years and the engines I build giving a WARRANTY on, I tell them to run ST oil in on the break in and then they can switch to a blend if they like. I feel good enough about it to recommend it on a engine that I will have to PAY for if it fails. IF that tells you anything.

Granted the ST oil may carbon a little more, but they ALL do. Most engine manufatures want a decarb done each year for this reason. So it will get removed. Sea foam in your gas will prevent the carbon from forming. After seeing a engine tore down that has only had sea foam ran for a month and a half, I could imagine what one would look like if used all the time. CLEAN! The oil has to meet specification and I beleive it states it will not VOID your warranty, I don't have a bottle in front of me.

The only aftermarket part issue I have every seen with a NO warranty situation is on a Dodge diesel, if a engine came in blown with a frame oil filter because they were physically coming apart and damaging the engine. It is irrelevant of what oil it has in it.


Just my thoughts.........
 
One other thing...

In a OMC factory manual it states and I quote" IF EVINRUDE OR JOHNSON LUBRICANT OR OMC 2-CYCLE OIL IS NOT AVAILABILBE, ANDOTHER NMMA CERTIFIED TC-W II OIL MAY BE USED. LOOK FOR THE CERTIFICATION INFORMATION ON THE CONTAINER LABEL"

Now it is TC-W III and the ST oil is certified. This is a factory OMC 1990 manual. It also tells you that the engine is designed to run off of E-10 no more than 10% ethenol. I have not seen anything in the merc manuals. It is more than likely in the operatators manual.

Once again, my opinion.....
 
Wrechin, here is the verbage on the ST bottle:

"Meets or exceeds all warranty requirements for all makes and models of high performance outboard engines including Mercury, Johnson, Evinrude, Yamaha, Force, Mariner, Nissan, and Suzuki where NMMA and TC-W3 oils are specified."
 
YEP! there is the pudding. I use it and recommend it for normal use. That is my opinion on it. Thanks for the info.
 
It is a additive that you put in the fuel and it cleans injectors, carbon of pistons, ect. It is really good stuff. I have heard the same about advance and gallon jugs.
 
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