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Jmax

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I know I joke about being cheap. When you break 50 years of age trying to impress people with your things and what you have starts to take a back seat for many and I am one of those. However there is another side of this that really comes to mind. I may be opening another can of worms but here it is. I am not talking about any one tournament, one series, one circuit nor am I pointing fingers at anyone. It is just an observation that I have seen over the years fishing bass tournaments.

When you consider that many people today do not have good morals and cheating is almost excepted in a lot of types of fields until you get caught, I have strong concerns about cheating when it comes to bass tournaments. Especially high end, high payouts ones. All joking aside, when you are talking about paying out 2K, 3K up to 10K or more around here, I feel there needs to be some kind of safety net in place. I have lived here six years and I know of two times where dishonestly came into play and that was low end tournaments. I have seen where there is a clause in most of the local tournaments that say, "You may be subject to a lie detector test", but I have yet to see that happen. I have seen in some big tournaments where people failed them or refused to take them when they realized they were about to be subjected to them (not around here). Does that ever happen around here?

I often wonder what would happen if on one of these bigger tournaments without making a big deal about it, if someone just showed up and did it. Yes... we have some great fishermen and fisherwomen around here; I am not talking about that. I am talking about the folks that just might be tempted to go out with live bait a day before the tournament, catch some good bass and tie or cage them out for the tournament the day before. I have caught bass that looked like they had been in a cage. With catch and release like it is the bass just may have been in someone's live well recently and that was why they looked that way. I talked to another member about this same thing at church yesterday and he said he knew of a tie out occurrence where they found the bass tied out, took them and told the director of the tournament. Nothing was ever done because nothing could be proven. Had they not found them he had no doubt that those bass would have been weighed in by someone.

The subject of chumming came up last year and was a hot topic. I often do not feel good about high end payouts because how do you really know if that has not gone on. When someone pays out $100.00 plus to enter a tournament and they have a chance to win in the thousands...well...is it just me? I have fished with guys like EricM where we used live shad and were amazed at how easy you could load the boat with four pound bass. emoEek I have seen bass fisherman flipping live shad on the lake and putting them in their live wells. How do you know where those bass went?

Does anyone do lie detector tests around here? Has any tournaments around here actually done them in the past couple of years? What do you think? Please, no names or do not accuse anyone or any event. emoRolleyes Jmax
 
I agree with you I think they should be giving a lot more lie detector test when paying out that much money , just to keep everyone honest . I would like to see more blind draw tournaments .
 
Im pretty sure some of the higher end tournaments in the spring and early summer have them. I know the shriners tournament a couple years ago had one. So they are around.
 
I have been given one twice in my time. One of them was where I won a bass boat for the largest bass weighed in. I still remember it well, a couple questions I was asked were, "Did you cheat in this bass tournament."...No...passed..."Have you ever cheated in a bass tournament?..NO...passed..."Do you know of someone cheating in a bass tournament"...No...Failed!!!! emoEek The guys sat back and said, "Let me ask this a different way...do you think you know of someone cheating in a bass tournament"..yes...passed... emoRolleyes

Later I explained that I knew of a couple times we thought some cheating had gone on but could not prove it, I was still on the machine. That test saw that in my answer. I got the boat. Those tests are pretty good from what I have seen and would keep everyone honest and any doubt would be gone.

emoScratch Jmax
 
The CBA classic does lie detector tests, but I think all lie detectors in general are flawed....unless they have changed in the last 15 years or so. Years ago one of the stores I worked in had their deposit stolen. Every employee who was in the store that day had to take a lie detector test. I was only in the store for 5 minutes picking up supplies for another store but totally failed the test. Our security guy laughed saying that I even blew it on the control questions...Like....is your name David? Funny thing is that no one was ever caught but obviously someone stole the money.

My neighbor quit fishing tournaments years ago because of people cheating. He said that he caught 3 cages this year in the spring. One was a huge cooler with holes drilled in it and brush covering it. So I'm sure that it happens a lot more than people think. With the number of people that live on the lake it wouldn't be too hard for someone to pull up to a dock where their buddy has a few good fish waiting on them.
 
I have been given the test on 4-5 occasions throught the years. Anytime I had won money in a big event. Both times we won the CBA Classic, and also the following year. I took one in the Times Free Press Tx that we won.</p>

Not sure where you are going with this, but the tests are administered. Not saying cheating doesnt take place, but it takes a real idiot to do it, because IF you ever get caught, it follows you around for life.</p>
 
The sad part would be if someone failed the test but had NOT cheated.. Like Davo said, they are not accurate and thats why they're not admissable in court.
That would be my luck,, If i ever got lucky enough to win 1 and then get screwed out of it because of a flawed test...... emoGeezer emoEek emoBadLanguage
 
I have taken lie detector tests before. I think if someone is cheating it will eventually catch up with them. I heard a lot about chumming last year two but I have never witnessed it so I don't know if its true or not. To be a good tournament angler you have to push the envelope and be on the front end of trends rather than the backend.
 
Well said Beetlespin..........you cant go through life worrying about the what ifs...........</p>
 
THE ALHAMBRA SHRINERS GIVE 3 TEST AT THEIR TOURNS. THE WINNER TAKES ONE AND TWO NAMES ARE DRAWNED OUT TO TAKE ONE OF THE TOP 25 AND THIS WILL TAKE PLACE THIS YEAR, THANKS DD22FISH
 
I have heard all kinds of rumors about different tournament anglers. This one cheats, that one cheats and the other one cheats. I noticed that the only ones that are getting accused of cheating are the ones that are consistently winning or placing in the money. I would be more worried about the one hit wonders that no one knows that show up and win big and you never see them again.

The guys that win consistently are just good and nothing else.
 
Jmax - 1/11/2010 7:03 AM
I have caught bass that looked like they had been in a cage. With catch and release like it is the bass just may have been in someone's live well recently and that was why they looked that way.

I agree with u Jmax but can you explain to me if i catch a bass how I can tell it has been in a cage?
 
Longhorn - 1/11/2010 2:01 PM

Jmax - 1/11/2010 7:03 AM
I have caught bass that looked like they had been in a cage. With catch and release like it is the bass just may have been in someone's live well recently and that was why they looked that way.

I agree with u Jmax but can you explain to me if i catch a bass how I can tell it has been in a cage?

Back before catch and release came along it was more catch and eat. emoGeezer I remember where we actually announced that all bass caught that day would be used for the annual fish fry. emoDoh You did not get very many bass that showed signs of being caught before.

When a bass has been tied out or caged the bass will have signs of stress. Often there will be many scales missing, the edges of the fins will have marks as well as the body of the bass. Sometimes the fins may have broken spines on them. No way to tell for sure if that was the way they got them but it is a possibility. A bass can get those same marks banging around in a live well. Being taken out, weighed and then released. The bass ends up looking really rough, beat up in others words.

I am not going anywhere with this. I was just wondering what others thought of it. I guess I am telling on myself, my own paranoid feelings about tournaments where a good amount is paid to enter. Kind of goes back to Damon asking about our thoughts on paying in $250.00 for a tournament. I guess I am concerned when it gets that high, temptation for some may get them. I am glad to hear that some are still being done around here, I did not know that. emoRolleyes Jmax
 
Heck some of the tournaments around here they don't even check the livewell. It don't take a cheater one time of getting in that tournament and then next time he is going to load the livewell with some lunkers from grandpappys farm pond. I don't fish those tournaments any more because i feel like it is unfair to everyone that is catching them honest.
 
Longhorn - 1/11/2010 1:23 PM Heck some of the tournaments around here they don't even check the livewell. It don't take a cheater one time of getting in that tournament and then next time he is going to load the livewell with some lunkers from grandpappys farm pond. I don't fish those tournaments any more because i feel like it is unfair to everyone that is catching them honest.
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So are you saying thats what you do?? I dont think you worded that right. You would be surprised at how everybody keeps an eye on everybody else, especially down on Nickajack. I personally dont think there is as much cheating as the pot stirrers would have you think.There is always somebody hollaring cheater cheater, when the same guys are winning, when actually they are just spending time on the water and keeping up with the fish.</p>

Im not saying that it doesnt happen on occasions that a rule is broken, but if youre that worried dont fish.</p>

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Wormhook - 1/11/2010 2:57 PM



Im not saying that it doesnt happen on occasions that a rule is broken, but if youre that worried dont fish.</p>

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I think that is what Longhorn is saying he has done. He has stopped fishing them because of concerns of people cheating. I still fish them some and was just wondering about the thoughts others may have on the subject. I had this under "Fishing discussion" cause that was all it was....a discussion, nothing else. Since it had tournament in it I guess someone felt it needed to be moved to the Tournaments and Trails section.:( Jmax
 
come on worm hook you know thats not what i meant. If i am going to fish a tournament and they don't have one of the most basic rules about checking the livewell before the tournament i ain't going to fish it because you don't know what everybody has got in there before they get their line wet. I have been in some where the "director" has won more than one. I bet his livewell was loaded.
 
beetlespin - 1/11/2010 4:58 PM

the Honor system is actually pretty powerful.

I agree, did I say that? Write that down, I agreed with BS today. emoPoke I would say and I may be stupid, that 99% of the folks out there have a good honor system. It is that one percent I am talking about. At least I hope it is only one percent. Longhorn, I have gotten lacks on checking live wells cuase if a person really was going to cheat, around here there is unlimited places to put your fish so why would a person bring them to the blast off. emoScratch Stake them out or put them into a cage. When the water is down you can go around and see a lot of those cages at peoples boat docks. I found a cage on the islands the year before last when the water went down. It disappeared once I found it. emoEvil I think it fell into forty foot of water. emoMad Jmax
 
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