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Jmax

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I do not claim to be an expert but since I have fished since I was in kindergarten, grew up fishing with my dad and all up until now, I thought I might help some less experienced with some insight that might help you on your next time out. If you want to add your's or add to mine please do so. emoAngel

I think there is really three main ways to fish this time of year that can and will be successful. All three center around one thing, the food source. The bait, the minnows, the bream, the shad...whatever the food source is, that is where the bass will be. The three ways include the deeper ledge/hump bite, the grass bite and the jumps bite. All three have to have the food source near or right there to be good. If you do not see or confirm the bait food source I would move on until you can confirm it and find that key element to have a good day.

First and the easiest to get on is the jumps. No rocket science here. Early in the mornings and late in the evenings this is usually the best. Drive around and look for schooling bass that are hitting schools of shad and fish them. Top water and cranks are usually the ticket. Match the hatch is usually the best to be successful. One thing here a lot of folks overlook is the fact that when they go back down they usually don't go all that far. Work the area and try to find the hold up and where they went to wait for the next school of shad to come through. Often you can run the river slowly and just look for jumping bass along the grass and pull over with a small crank and work them. I usually use a TN shad bomber in the 6A or 7A size if there is a little depth but if there is not use a trap or a small bill crank.

Second and a close pattern behind the jumps is deeper water humps and drops. This usually involves your depth finders or screens where you try and locate deeper bass along drops in the river where the bass will hold up to wait for deeper schools of shad to come through. This one will often have a direct relationship with current. Usually the more current the better the bite. Once you locate fish holding deeper then you have the task of trying to figure out if it is bass or something else. It seems to me that if you can get one or two to hit other bass there will get excited and start to hit. It is like you have to activate the school. The current will condense the bass school into tighter areas and get them more concentrated in that area. Without the current they will often spread out making it harder to find them. Swim baits, c-rigs, t-rigs, deep cranks, TN rigs, pig and jigs all can work in this type of pattern. It seems that in this case your bait needs to be somewhat different then what the bass are feeding on. Maybe in color, size or speed. You have to remember that you are competing with thousands of live shad to get the bass to hit your presentation.

On this Hump/drop pattern you also have to keep in mind that it does not have to be deep. A hump could be only a few feet deep surround by sightly deeper water. Say a hump or drop where the top is only 5/6 feet and the sides are only 8/10 feet. That may be all it takes to have a group of bass hold up there and feed. Usually along the river you can find them deeper but not always a hump, it could be a point or out cropping along the old river channel that they have grouped up on. An old creek bed out on the old river channel where the creek use to intersect the old river is a great spot to try.

The third pattern and most popular is the grass pattern. You can win or die by this pattern. It is my strong belief that the bass have moved in to the grass by now and it is a matter of getting them to bite. On good high pressure days where feeding bass are under the grass and along the edges it is easy to find them and get them to hit. Frogs, the Mouse, sluggo baits, lightly weighted swims will all work. If the grass is not topped out you can use Spooks, Sammie and other top water plugs to get them to come up top to strike. This type of fishing is one of my favorites. I just love to watch a big bass explode on the top water bite and get to see the hits. You had better come prepared or you will have some heartaches to deal with. Heavy braided lines from 50 lbs and up would be my recommendation. They hit hard and then bury up. You sometimes have to horse them out with 20 lbs of grass along with the bass. Too light of line and you will break off. I use 65 lb braid. On top of the grass will only get better until the water drops too low and the bass move out. Often the grass will lay over, it thickens on top due to it laying over, then the grass under this canopy does not get sun light and the lower water grass will begin to die. Once this happens the lower water grass will thin out and the bass will be more free to move around under the grass canopy. That is when it really turns on. emoDance

When I say you can die by this pattern you only have to look to the last CFF event to see that. The bass had moved up and were hitting great in the top water grass the weekend before our tournament. Then two days of +90 degrees caused the water to heat up on top sending the bass deeper and killing our top water bite. emoBawl Those who choose to stay in the grass mostly had to go to a deep grass presentation. Those that did not died trying to force feed bass on top that did not want to come up. It was best to go down to them. I like to use a 1/2 to 1 oz weight pegged. It is best to flip or pitch this offering since you are just dropping it down into the grass and trying to get it to go all the way down through the grass to where the bass are holding. Keep in mind there is opening under all that grass, find the openings and you will find the bass. Use braid again cause you have to get any bass you are lucky enough to hook back up and out of all that grass. The list of baits are to many to list but plastics are king in this pattern. Tubes, big worms, hogs, creatures and the list goes on and on.

I hope this may help some to improve your success on your next outing. emoGeezer If you would like to add your success story or suggestions to this post on how you go after Fall bass please do so. emoGrouphug Would love to see a good ol' time conversation on this topic get going.

emoAngler Jmax
 
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Seriously though...not bad Jim. Good info. If you can find open spots in grass to run a buzzbait, can't go wrong with a white one and a black with some bleeding red.
 
Good stuff. I have been hitting the little cove that I fish below our condo and I'm seeing tons of pods of bait. Have been using a Spook Jr. without much success. Just not seeing much "working" these pods yet. Usually see some fish in jumps and fleeing bait as they scatter. Have been hitting in morning before work and most evenings but for me just not seeming to turn on yet. Mind you I'm limited to this cove since have no boat.
 
I also like to find rock points that lead to deep water and chuck a jerk bait, especially when the water temp starts to drop into the upper 50's and lower 60's. Depending on the weather and time of day sometimes they like it ripped through the water pretty quick, other times I will rip the bait and let it sit for up to 30 seconds before I move it again. A lot of trial and error but grab a Lucky Craft pointer or something similar this fall and give it a try.
 
im corious about the stripe?? is that the reason they are normaly at the dams this time of year? because of the bait??
 
One of the things I am experimenting with came from the 2 day on Watts Bar. Pre-fishing, I was noticing some fish in the jumps. Most of the shad have been about 1.5in long. I accidently snagged something with a trap, it was a big 8in skipjack. Thats what was going after the little shad. I was flipping a lay down and a big bass came by chasing a big gizzard shad or skipjack for about 30 seconds across the surface. Seen it all right in front of me. Fast forward to the tournament, and my live well "out" port was plugged and the live wells were overflowing. Opened up the live well and guess what was covering the port, a big 6in gizzard shad or skipjack (couldn't tell, it was pretty digested). Last week I went up into the shallows and started throwing a SPRO BBZ-1 4in shad and caught one good fish. Actually first darn fish I caught off it since I bought it. Don't think they were really in the shallows, will hit it up again this weekend. The same thing might work right in front of grass beds at Chick. I figured those bigger largemouth can't eat a 1.5 in shad, it would pass through thier flared gills and back out into the water. They are eating on something else..
 
... some of the best frog / rat, buzz bait fishing I've ever had was after a couple of frost freezes and there is only the old brown stems from the grass left. I've had some unbelievable days with a frog and buzz bait in the spitting snow!
Derek, jerk baits are no good. Forget them. Your wasting your time.
 
Thnaks Jmax! its feels good to see that experts like you thinks about us, and help us for better fishing. I really appreciate your advises and will eager to try it.
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Great stuff , was just getting ready to ask the same ? to what you had posted . Was looking for ANY help trying to catch some bass lately .

I can't make myself stop doing the same ole same old thing , I always end up in the same area , using the same 2 or 4 baits . BUT ............

I have finally changed this habit . I have been using my older than dirt fish easy fish finder to find the humps , thats worked some here and there , been

throwing spinners , cranks , and everything inbetween except the plastics , I just don't like plastics much ............... yet LoL . I 've got bags and bags of

fat alberts , brush hogs , etc etc , lizards ............. plastics are my next challenge LoL ! I've done decent with the cooler weather coming in using shad ( like a shad rap )

colored spinner baits . I've been doing a lot of spinner tossing , I am starting to like them because I can run it deep or shallow , etc .

I THANK you very much for the information and the help !

S.C.
 
The problem is and has been which one to try and for how long if it does not happen. This past CBA all these patterns were used and I would bet every person in the top ten did one of them. emoAngel You had to find the right grass for the pattern you were fishing. Some found a frog bite. Some found a flip bite. Then some still found a deeper bite either on the outside grass or just out on the first drops. I felt we needed to find the right pattern for us and never did. We trashed fished and picked up one here and there but no consistency. Our five keepers were on three baits, two on cranks with one at 20 feet and the other at 16 feet, then one on a shakey at 12 feet and then the other two off of big t-rigged worm with one flipping the grass and one at 16 feet on the grass edge. emoScratch

Then we get to the weigh in and hear guys talking about catching 40 to 50 keepers on frogs! emoDoh We counldn't buy a bite on frogs earlier that week so we never even tried it. emoBang I was told you had to find the right grass patch and just camp out on it. Maybe we never found the right patch.

At any rate, I am glad to hear the frog bite is turning on. I love that kind of fishing when it is good. emoApplause Jmax
 
<font color="#ff0033" size="4" face="comic sans ms,sand">Jmax did not speak about spinner baits...I don't think he did.... but that is a great bait for fall fishing.... I know cause I usually catch my limit when fishing with Jim using the SB... just thought I would throw this info in this mess....however, Jim, you done good job with this information.....I know it will help those needing it most.... FAemoGrouphug </font>
 
Great post Jmax! The patterns were explained in excellent detail. You should have been a teacher! The only thing I'll add is that once the grass has begun to die, I love catching the water calm and fishing a buzz bait through the dead grass stems. One of the best trips I had was in late October, fishing brown and topped out grass, where all the green was gone, and ripping a buzz bait through it. Some of the hits were so loud they scared the heck out of me, and the bass were fat from hanging in the grass and eating all summer. Great post!
 
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