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JHMO = Just My Humble Opinion - which says it all when it comes to opinion based advice. This may be helpful to less experienced anglers or beginners as well as present ideas never considered by those more experienced that may be of use.

I know that many of the experienced anglers on fishing forums catch fish based on past experience and disproving what was thought true when it comes to tackle, presentations, how to fish location-types as well as discovering new truths year after year.

Some of those truths are valid for the waters we fish, some not so much. But in general fishing is a learning experience which make the challenge of catching fish worthwhile for me. Granted, live bait is fine dangled under a float, but those days are over especially after years of buying many different lures (most of which are collecting dust) and making my own lures that have caught fish.

Granted, there are exceptions to any rule, but some truths can not be refuted. My suggestions are offered as choices - the more the better - when it comes to catching any species and size. Many of us carry along too many lures (myself included), most never used, some used far more than others. When I fish with someone, I pay attention to what they catch fish using and how they used it. I love adding to my arsenal of proven lures I've seen catch fish with my own eyes. Any of you can kind of do that from the photos I've post of lures on BGT.com and the fish caught on them along with my opinon the possibility of why they did.

I don't expect this long post to be read by many that either don't like long posts or think new ideas or challenges unnecessary or of little value - especially those that have firm beliefs based on experiences that support them. This is for those that are open to questioning all of the crap that's been shoved down our throats via the media and advertising since lures were first sold.

One thing is clear to me when it comes to fish reacting to unnatural, man-made moving objects that provoke them to strike : fish don't have clue what lures represent.
This discounts the match-the-hatch advice accepted by most trout anglers when chosing various fly patterns over many decades. Pure myth! Granted, some lures move and look like a prey animal, but generally speaking the majority do not. You don't need examples if you've caught fish on many lure types and designs.

But as anything when it comes to fishing facts, there are many lures that excel when it comes to versatility and catching multi-species fish, just as there are many colors of the same lure that can work on the same outing for example. Everything is connected to fish senses - not intelligence. Along with detection by the senses - lateral line, swim bladder and eye (no forward motion) - there are various object motions that fish respond to - whether generated by an animal or a lure. It's in their DNA to detect and maybe strike.

Do fish always strike with the intention of eating the object? In the case of live prey, the odds are high that that is the case. But, eyeing a soft soft plastic lure hopping up & down off the bottom is kind of a stretch though maybe as as a taste test(?). Regardless, the most important thing is that the object provokes fish to becoming the aggressive bullies they are if only for the moment.

A fish's high momentary aggression level in not the norm - conserving energy is via suspending. One some days and in some seasons (i.e. prespawn), aggression levels are highly contagious when it comes to school fish. (fact: fish don't have a clue when a buddy or buddies were just yanked out of the water right next to them!) Lures and live bait raise aggression levels of inactive fish - simple as that - and provoke a charge & capture reaction; they raise it to the max when fish are active or semi-active.

Regarding fish senses: fish feel and track moving objects via the lateral line, confirming size and shape visually. Color (hue) perception varies based on many factors, but color-brightnes is number 1! What the angler sees in the hand is usually much different than what a fish sees even a yard away unless in clear water under a bright sky. I hue important? Even I have my favorites, but superstition boosts confidence in a lure and I need all the confidence I can get! LOL

Each lure type uses color and color brightness to its visual advantage.
A chrome colored Rat L Trap flashes and rattles; a shad colored crankbait exhibits a subtle color and brightness - same for pearl colored soft plastics. Both draw and hold a fish's attention long enough for it to either attack it or let it be. Key is holding a fish's attention long enough in an attempt to p.o. that fish into a higher level of aggressive level.
Finesse lures do just that with their slow, seductive action that get under a fish's scales like someone or something getting under your skin. The result is the same - a reaction. I don't know what just landed on my neck, but the impulse to swat at it is involuntary same for a fish that doesn't have a clue what that thing (lure) is wiggling near its head after it made that noisy splash. (Fish aren't fond of noise - especially unnatural noise) which is why buzz baits get clobbered by bass!)

Each lure type/ size/ shape / action - by design, can make the difference between catching fish or not. Coupled with that, the presentation that is right for that design allows a lure to do what it is desiged for.
A faster steady retrieve for example won't cut it using a Fluke but does fine retrieving a blade bait.

When & where to use a lure design is just as important as what to use. Some lures are more versatile when comes to when, where and how to use them. Keeping track what has caugtht fish and when they caught fish, are guides for the future, which is why I always have a digital camera ready. Photos are downloaded on to my PC in various folders for future reference to prevent me from making wrong assumptions or absolutes of which there a few regarding fish and fishing.

Hope this was interesting (and not too controversial) for some though long. Fishing can be simple or complicated (via the media). Life is too complicated; catching fish shouldn't be.
 
Thanks for the insight. I've fished for many species for many years. As far as artificial baits - the old adage, "most lures are designed to catch fishermen" is very true. We really don't know what a fish is thinking or seeing or sensing. It is trial and error. There has to be some truth in my mind to make an artificial lure resemble some natural food source. That's why plastic worms have probably caught more fish than any other single type of artificial bait. Most all species of fish will eat a worm! Presentation is important but what is most important is fishing where there are fish to catch! Sounds fundamental and it is but that fact is often overlooked. In the "old" days before all the fancy electronics there was no short cuts. The best most skilled anglers spent lots of time on the water following the fish, learning their hangouts for each season. Some of that hard lesson time has been replaced by the new electronics. Now a person can learn how to set up and interpret the new fish finders and be able to find fish much quicker than in the past. That is the big controversy with Forward Facing Sonar. I think a lot of the old hands resent that all the time they spent learning fish habits and movements is not replaced by knowing how to skillfully use a screen. Just my two cents. Anyway fishing is one of life's greatest diversions. I love the science and art of angling. There is also the role of chance. You just don't know when your next cast might result in your personal best. It's like my golf game. I don't make many good shots but I make just enough to keep me going back. So it is with fishing. I may get skunked (and often do) but there is always the next trip:)
 
What a superb well written reply! Thank you so much!

Having made my own lures and experimented with lure shapes, color and lure actions for over 50 years. has been an ongoing education. I fished tournaments for over 15 years and did well. Granted, weighing in big fish or nice bag of fish, allowed me many a proud moment, but more importantly, l learned something new especially when my partners caught fish casting something different than me. What's more, was fishing waters that were different than my local fishing holes. Though the principles of structure fishing and finding fish-location patterns were keys, getting fish to strike in a limited amount of time was always a challenge - especially for non-actively feeding fish in colder water - i.e. under the ice and in early spring.

As I mentioned, fish don't necessarily strike lures to eat them, their intentions which are impossible to prove. In fact, fish in a feeding frenzy mauling a school of bait fish are apt to strike anything - even lures that don't resemble anything edible which most lures do not. To suggest a plastic worm resembles a normal forage animal as the reason fish strike it, is an angler's imagination at work - not the fish's - with its zero-ability to identify a lure as this or that animal.

Granted, prey exhibit actions that fish sense, same as lure actions that may be similar to some prey actions. The importance being is that fish are supersensitive creatures that rely on vibration and sight to detect, track and determine if a moving object is worthy of being attacked. The strike sequence is simple:
a lure's action rubs a fish the wrong way and pays the price - both the lure and the fish! ;)
When it comes to soft plastics, the reason they are so popular and out-fish hard baits most of the time is the huge number of shapes and actions to choose from along with the large number of presentations they can be used with. Hard baits usually must be worked at a certain speed and depth, not so most soft plastics. Versatility is key - always! It separates float & worm anglers from anglers that search the water using the right lures in the right places the right way(s).

Again, the above works for me and has for decades. To each his (or her) own. The proof is in the catching - period! My photo logs are my proof.
 
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Some examples of soft plastic shapes I can always count on:
Bulb or body but no tail (one of my most productive lures):
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As you can see, color is in the eyes of the beholders
 
Gary Y. Kut tail and Softie Worm (rt.):

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In order for the near surface presentation to work, the jig can only weigh 1/32 oz-1/24 oz. to get the darting zig-zag action.
 
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Some might say that the above examples represent this or that to a fish, but can it be proven? All I know is that each unique action catches many species of fish of different sizes and those lure shapes/actions must be in my tackle box. There are 10 other soft plastic designs not mentioned but you get the idea. Hard lures also have a place in my tackle box - which is starting to get kind a crowded....
 
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You're welcome!
Tip: if you take a child fishing to show him or her how well lures catch fish, you might want to try this:
1. Tale a 2" curl tail grub (i.e. Mr Twister)
2. cut off the tail
3. rig it on a 1/64 oz, 1/32 oz or 1/24 oz. ball head jig
4. show the prospective angler how to work it in the water at his feet before casting it far. This way the angler can see what a fish sees before attacking.
The lure should dart slightly back & forth between pauses, The slow action near the surface or mid depth is key to catching anything that swims! Pad edges and areas that hold pan fish allow the fastest hookups.

The top set of photos show similar lures that were derived from a Mr Twister grub body (shown below) that a pickerel bit the tail off. I cast it out just for the H of it and caught 10 fish within 15 minutes!! You might call it a mini-Ned Rig.
Again, child-guaranteed to catch fish of all species and sizes.
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Some might say that the above examples represent this or that to a fish, but can it be proven? All I know is that each unique action catches many species of fish of different sizes and those lure shapes/actions must be in my tackle box. There are 10 other soft plastic designs not mentioned but you get the idea. Hard lures also have a place in my tackle box - which is starting to get kind a crowded....
Not to pick a fight, I love what you've posted, it makes us all think. I believe that sight does play a big role in fish feeding. It is one of their primary senses. After all that is why water clarity and depth makes so much difference in our lure selections. I believe fish get used to keying in on a certain shape for food. That's why in some bodies of water you might be wasting your time to throw a plastic worm because the primary forage is shad. On another body of water it might be worms, lizards, or very common in rocky areas - crawfish. I firmly believe the fish look for, by sight, these types of shapes / creatures. Thank you for this great discussion:)
 
I respectfully beg to differ after over 45 years of fishing on 25 bodies of water.
1. fish get used to keying in on a certain shape for food
Fish like most wild animals eat what they want when they want to. Same for lures (except the eating part). If your statement was true, aquarium fish (salt water and fresh) would starve to death.
2. in some bodies of water you might be wasting your time to throw a plastic worm because the primary forage is shad

Will bass stop striking crankbaits, soft plastics or spinnerbaits based on those statements? All lakes I fish annually have never experienced fish boycotting those three lure examples or any lure for that matter - EVER! The photos of the soft plastics I posted above catch fish all year on the same waters and have done so for years. Some days I've caught over 80 fish ranging in size from 5" to 5 lbs. casting those lures and others.

Your statement assumes fish communicate with one another lures to avoid and which to strike because they target forage. Not likely. Comparing lures to a prey animal is a human imagination at work - not the fish's.

I stand by this statement regarding lures:
They are unnatural, man-made moving objects that provoke fish to strike. Fish don't have a clue what lures represent which make semi-active fish so easy to catch once fish are located after presenting them the right way.

The only details fish pay attention to are via its incredible, extremely sensitive senses, Vision is one; vibration/ motion detection probably the most important whether used at night or in murky water.

You are free to believe what fish want regarding fewer lure choices. I stand by my statements after decades of catching thousands of fish on every lure imaginable - many of my own design. I won't limit my lure choices based on statements like yours. You shouldn't either.
JMHO
 
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