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Fuzzy
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What rights are being violated? They can serve in the military just not openly. I also have no problem with someone living their own lifestyle, but only those that served for years understand the intricacies about the military. How discipline is instilled and how well a cohesive unit runs. This would have a very demeaning effect on cohesiveness. I don't necessarily agree with the fragging and bullying comments (but they will happen, make no doubt about it), people just will not be there for them. Ever hear of a "GI party"? It was essentially what the movie "A few good men" was about. These units become cohesive because they weed out the weak. Everyone is a target until the weak are gone. You eat your young, period. If you didn't serve, particularly in a combat arms position, you wouldn't understand. Make no doubt about it, sugar coat it all you want, you are trained to kill other human beings which is against the mindset of every civilized human being. In order for this to happen, in oder for everyone to survive, you must trust everyone around you without fail. If you are not trusted, do not fit in, you will be weeded out... There are and have been homosexuals, some probably open about it after acceptance, who have served in these units. THey gained the trust of their fellow soldiers BECAUSE, the didn't have to out themselves and face that scrutiny until they met these unwritten standards set by other team members...
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I really think that if you are not or have not served you really should not have as much say in this. Being that i have 20 yrs in just about that it will put people in a compromising situation..........The last trip in iraq for a year me and three thats right three other guys lived in a little metal box. With all our gear there was not much room. Everyone here says that as long as they keep to themselves no issue. Well after being out for 18 to 20 hours and come back you want to change.....would you not feel awkard (it already is a little) changing while others are right there. Now you have someone that may be interested in checking you out tight there.............cant seperate people by gay and not gay....just think you ought to look at what you are truely aasking. No i dont have an issue what so ever with anyones lifestyle. just should not be in certain settings.... think it would break down morale and destroy cohesion.........just my .02
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Just curious??? I will probably get alot of flack for this but oh well...... If you are serving in the Military and you know that there are Gays in there with you and you know which ones they are you would probably avoid them right? So on the other hand you don't know that Joe Smoe next to you is Gay because he keeps tight wraps on his sexuality because he is afraid of getting beat or put out to the wolves and he checks you out every chance he gets when you are not looking and now he wouldn't be afraid to "come out" in front of all of his peers wouldn't you rather know that? I am not saying that I am right I am just stating that I do believe that they have every right to fight for me as anyone else does. I do not think that they need to parade themselves around but I do think that society is being more and more relaxed around them. Yes there are places that it shouldn't be so public but at the same time just cause they choose to have sexual relations with the same sex partner should have no bearing on if they fight for OUR freedom. It might be a sin but at the same time It seems clear, since Jesus Himself said, “Judge not,” (Matthew 7:1), that we cannot “judge.” Ultimately only God is the judge of those things. Such judgments are condemnations and these are what Jesus condemned in Matthew 7:1. The Pharisees were notorious for judging based on silly rules and traditions and not the Scriptures. We can judge qualifications, however we cannot judge qualities. Qualities are internal motivations known only by God Himself. Just my 2 pennies....
I don't see where not wanting to share quarters and showers with Gays has anything to do with judging them. Because someone chooses not to have a sin paraded in their face it doesn'tmake them judgemental at all. Shouldn't non-gays have any rights about not wanting to share personal activities with gays ? I guess the only alternative many young men not wanting to serve with gays will have now is to pass on serving our country altogether.</p>
This thread is about gays in the military, not the public. Do we really want our freedom fighters walking around holding hands while wearing the uniform of our country's service ?Do we want our straight young men subjected to any or all of the situations that I have listed in my above posts ?</p>
From the responses it appears clear, so far,that the men that have served and dodged enemy bullets for OUR freedom see issues withserving with gays, and some that have not served don't have a problem with it.</p>
This thread is about gays in the military, not the public. Do we really want our freedom fighters walking around holding hands while wearing the uniform of our country's service ?Do we want our straight young men subjected to any or all of the situations that I have listed in my above posts ?</p>
From the responses it appears clear, so far,that the men that have served and dodged enemy bullets for OUR freedom see issues withserving with gays, and some that have not served don't have a problem with it.</p>
I'm going to drop out of this because I have a few friends that I didn't know until years after that they were gay and the serve our country and I get really touchy on this subject. Just because I didn't know that they were for along time doesn't mean I am going to turn my back on our friendship. So I will not post another thing on this. Thank you.
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Your right Ashtrey...we should not judge yet we all do it!
Also...God CREATED Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Also...God CREATED Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Flipping WURMS
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Anybody who serves in the military cashes a check just like every one else.its a choice to sign up with the potential for death is extremeley higher than driving a truck.gay,straight, both sexes it doesnt matter all they want is more controlable bodies to do what they are told without questioning authority so it really shouldnt matter if there is diffrent magazines under each bunk because each person learns to shoot and can combat terrorism abroad while our goverment are the real terrorists because it doesnt matterif the usa blows up a couple building and kills a few thousand people but if it happens to the worldwide bully its time to spark wwiii.
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jimmystriton
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so ashtray... if your best friend ended up being a child molester and finally got caught you still going to be his friend and not turn your back. The military is supposed and again (SUPPOSED) to set the standard for our country..men, women, and children. unfortunately just like everything else in society discipline is gone. The liberals are taking over. If joe got out of line before you could go outside the barracks and smoke the crap out of him....now you cant do it. Not without him or her filing a complaint.......As i stated before to each is there own just leave the military to the straights......to many factors needed in order not to have conflict......doesnt the combat arms have enough stress with the OPTEMPO that we have now.........I believe there was some saying like GOD created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve????
minner
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Well Billy, judging is forming an opinion based on an assumption. If someone openly says they are gay then we aren't assuming, therefore judging, anything. IMO
Being gay is a sin, and like any other sin it is forgivable, IF there is detestation of the past sin. One is not forgiven just because they asked for forgiveness. If one is openly gay then they are not ashamed or remorseful of their lifestyle at all.
Not judging, just pointing out.
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I am pretty sure BS may be speaking from his own expirience! emoLaugh
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</p>minner - 10/20/2009 1:27 PM
Well Billy, judging is forming an opinion based on an assumption. If someone openly says they are gay then we aren't assuming, therefore judging, anything. IMO
Being gay is a sin, and like any other sin it is forgivable, IF there is detestation of the past sin. One is not forgiven just because they asked for forgiveness. If one is openly gay then they are not ashamed or remorseful of their lifestyle at all.
Not judging, just pointing out.
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Your right and I agree Minner. I was just replying to Ashtray's judge not post.
AThornton
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Gay or not, they are willing to put their lives on the line so that we as a general population can be free to go about the things we love, such as hunting, fishing, etc...
Gay or not, they still get shot at and bombed while defending those said freedoms so that we can all sleep in peace at night...
Gay or not, if they want to defend this country and strive to continue the many blessed freedoms that we have been given, while at the same time risking their lives and willing to die and shed blood for us, then so be it. I will stand behind ALL of our armed forces, 100% emoUsa
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Carry on
Gay or not, they still get shot at and bombed while defending those said freedoms so that we can all sleep in peace at night...
Gay or not, if they want to defend this country and strive to continue the many blessed freedoms that we have been given, while at the same time risking their lives and willing to die and shed blood for us, then so be it. I will stand behind ALL of our armed forces, 100% emoUsa
My $.02
Carry on
beetlespin
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Thats about the smartest post I've seen in a long time Adam.
God loves everybody and man thinks he should be the judge and the executioner. Why dont we get Hitler re-incarnated and put everyone who is different in a oven about 600 degrees......Better yet let God deal with it , he will do a better job.
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i havnt read all the replies to this post but, our society has come to accept things that are wrong. Homosexuality is WRONG! thats why they have always been made fun of. its sick and a form of rebellious perversion. noone is born gay. its just there own sick way of rebellion since they probably cannot get a partner from the opposite sex.
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