Harry Truman ... how times have changed?

[Guest]

Poor ole republicans, can't get a toe hold in this world, loosers from the word go, whiners and gripers, spout doom and gloom, worrying about christmas tree ornaments, Obama's dog, Obama's vacation, made Rush go to the hospital full of hot air and gas, Palin quits her governor's job to go on a book tour. No fair haired up and coming leader in the wings, singing poor, poor, pitiful me. One thing they can do sorta well is copy and paste, wringing their hands, biting their nails.</p>

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[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 1/5/2010 12:28 AM

The only idea I like is cutting taxes!!! No outcaster lets get out of the past and talk present. Do you really think this administration has good ideas. I will get you started. 1. Reading Miranda rights to enemy combatants 2. Closing Guantanamo 3. Nation building Afghanistan 4. Taking over our financials 5. Taking over the largest company in the world in GM 6. Taking over our healthcare 7. Forcing people to buy insurance from private companies.

Yeah you're right the past hasn't been kind to the conservative side. The election was in 2008. Take a break from Rush, Hannity, Beck, Williams and Coulter for a while. I'm sure more Tax cuts will fix everything. Quite frankly I don't know if Obama's ideas will work or not. Have you got any proof that they won't work? Or any ideas of your own. It's just easier to "No, that won't work" If your side had any good ideas they would have won the last 2 elections. I do know that liberal/progressive ideas historically work out better than those offered by conservatives Only time will tell now. After the last 8 years we certainly know what doesn't work. So doing the exact opposite of what the last guy did should work out pretty well. Throughout the last 100 years conservatives had the same sorts of questions much like you posed above: 1. Integrate the military... Our armed forces couldn't function 2. Providing healthcare for Seniors... we can't do that. 3. A 40 hour work week and paid vacations.... That will cause our economy to fail. 4. The New Deal.... That'll never work 5. The Internet for everyone... that should be left only to the military. 6. Pollution regulations....How can our companies stay in business? 7. Healthcare coverage for everyone.... Thats socialized medicine we're headed for communism. I haven't see anything to change my notion that liberal/progressive ideas stopped being good ones just because Barrack H. Obama is our President.

 

[Davo]

I had no idea that liberals created the internet.

 

[Guest]

Davo - 1/5/2010 12:34 AM I had no idea that liberals created the internet.

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Albert Gore invented it.</p>

 

[outcaster]

Davo - 1/5/2010 1:34 AM

I had no idea that liberals created the internet.

Liberals were responsible for the Idea to allow the Internet to be public and wold wide... The military was the original user and wanted to keep it that way. Sen Al Gore (another hated Liberal) sponsored the Bill to make the Internet public. Now you know.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Typical response you flirt around the edges of the questions none of your answer addressed one single point that I made. Tax cuts are the only thing that makes sense to get our economy started again let the people who earn the money spend it how they want. First of all his programs don't pass the test of common sense. Secondly we can look to Medicare and Medicaid on how gov't healthcare programs are unsustainable. We can also look to Europe and there higher death rates for cancer and longer wait times for surgery with there gov't run healthcare. Here is an idea of my own that would help to create instant competition let ins. compete across state lines. Here is another one introduced by Saxby Chambliss its called loser pays and helps to reduce frivolous malpractice lawsuits. So your party of no accusation just doesn't hold true. Sadly Obama has continued many of the Bush policies from the last 8 years like the bailouts that started under Bush. You libs always start by pulling the race card out and calling conservatives racist I and many other conservatives believe what MLK said that a man should not be judged by his skin color but by the content of his character. Your employer should not be mandated by gov't to give a 40 hr. work week or paid vacation you should earn that. The New Deal by all honest accounts was unconstitutional and extended the depression to after WWII. The internet oh yeah I forgot about that one thanks AL. Pollution regs have caused us a dependency on foreign oil that we will never get off of. Gov't run healthcare God help us.

 

[elwestb]

Possum, I did know that Truman was a Decocrat. At that time, I would have been to! I was just saying, how times have changed! Frankly, I wish there was no party system.

 

[RattleTrapper]

All I can say is Wow. I normally enjoy an intelligent argument about political philosophy, but this is getting ridiculous. Someone posts praising a democratic president of the past, and the democrat "goon squad" (you know who you are) somehow still finds a way to turn it into a middle school level pissing contest. You guys act like we're talking about college football. This is our frapping country! Republicans are pretty much always viewed as the close minded party, which is unfortunately true in many instances. But on this forum, some of the democratic posters have proven to be the most close minded and immature bunch I have ever seen.

Now, you may commence in calling me a conservative cry baby...

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 1/5/2010 10:57 AM

Typical response you flirt around the edges of the questions none of your answer addressed one single point that I made. Tax cuts are the only thing that makes sense to get our economy started again let the people who earn the money spend it how they want. First of all his programs don't pass the test of common sense. Secondly we can look to Medicare and Medicaid on how gov't healthcare programs are unsustainable. We can also look to Europe and there higher death rates for cancer and longer wait times for surgery with there gov't run healthcare. Here is an idea of my own that would help to create instant competition let ins. compete across state lines. Here is another one introduced by Saxby Chambliss its called loser pays and helps to reduce frivolous malpractice lawsuits. So your party of no accusation just doesn't hold true. Sadly Obama has continued many of the Bush policies from the last 8 years like the bailouts that started under Bush. You libs always start by pulling the race card out and calling conservatives racist I and many other conservatives believe what MLK said that a man should not be judged by his skin color but by the content of his character. Your employer should not be mandated by gov't to give a 40 hr. work week or paid vacation you should earn that. The New Deal by all honest accounts was unconstitutional and extended the depression to after WWII. The internet oh yeah I forgot about that one thanks AL. Pollution regs have caused us a dependency on foreign oil that we will never get off of. Gov't run healthcare God help us.

So much to chose from here, so I'll pick just one. Healthcare: Americans spend twice as much than other developed nations on healthcare, but have the 37th worst result, ranking us somewhere just above the Peoples Republic of Cuba. I guess you're fine with that, I'm not. But you and Saxby Chambliss don't want anybody to sue even though close to 150,000 of us die each year do to hospital, medical mistakes and malpractice. Truly frivolous lawsuits rarely get past the discovery phase anyway, and people can always counter sue. Huge judgments are handed down by juries, not liberal activists judges.

 

[Sniperchoke]

What a bunch of bull crap. We have the best healthcare availible in the world period. And it is because our healthcare system is more capitalistic than any other country. Thats why our reoccurance rates for cancer are lowest in the world and wait times for surgery are less. The best doctors in the world come to practice medicine here because they can make more money. Medical innovation thrives here because of the free market. You missed the point of the loser pays bill it does not limit the amount individuals can sue for all it does is make the loser of the case pay all court costs thus eliminating most frivolous lawsuits. Anyone with common sense can figure that out. 150,000 deaths will be menuschule to the amount of deaths we will have when gov't takes over healthcare. You didn't even address letting ins companies compete across state lines. This would create instant competition that would lower ins premiums across the board and it wouldn't take a 2,000 page bill ladened with pork to do it either.

 

[beetlespin]

Americans have some of if not the best healthcare in the world. What we don't have is good health habits. We have the fattest population in the world. That's why healthcare costs are skyrocketing! Doesn't matter what party you root for.

 

[buzz]

For a skinny little feller. Harry Truman...had a "BACKBONE"...unlike the one we have now.

 

[shiftworker]

did al gore create the internet right before he created the false idea of global warming........ i cant wait to see what the all mighty prophet gore creates next...

 

[Sniperchoke]

Back to my original assessment the Libs of today don't have the Kahonas to do what Truman did to end WWII. First we would try to appease the Japs. Then use police force to try and arrest them give them all lawyers so they could plea bargain. Then we could pay for them to have psych screenings and give all the little bastards Aderall because they probably all have A.D.D. Then at last turn them lose to fight us again one day. Liberalism at its best.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 1/5/2010 2:43 PM

What a bunch of bull crap. We have the best healthcare availible in the world period. And it is because our healthcare system is more capitalistic than any other country. Thats why our reoccurance rates for cancer are lowest in the world and wait times for surgery are less. The best doctors in the world come to practice medicine here because they can make more money. Medical innovation thrives here because of the free market. You missed the point of the loser pays bill it does not limit the amount individuals can sue for all it does is make the loser of the case pay all court costs thus eliminating most frivolous lawsuits. Anyone with common sense can figure that out. 150,000 deaths will be menuschule to the amount of deaths we will have when gov't takes over healthcare. You didn't even address letting ins companies compete across state lines. This would create instant competition that would lower ins premiums across the board and it wouldn't take a 2,000 page bill ladened with pork to do it either.

Really, best healthcare in the world?... maybe for some but not for all. Hope you don't lose yours. I usually don't copy and paste. World Health Organization last study is linked below. I'm sure you'll blow it off as a bunch of liberal bull crap. What your tort reform bill will do is allow only those who can afford the best, most expensive attorneys to have access to the legal system.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_performance_ranks.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

[Possum]

RattleTrapper - 1/5/2010 11:02 AM

All I can say is Wow. I normally enjoy an intelligent argument about political philosophy, but this is getting ridiculous. Someone posts praising a democratic president of the past, and the democrat "goon squad" (you know who you are) somehow still finds a way to turn it into a middle school level pissing contest. You guys act like we're talking about college football. This is our frapping country! Republicans are pretty much always viewed as the close minded party, which is unfortunately true in many instances. But on this forum, some of the democratic posters have proven to be the most close minded and immature bunch I have ever seen.

Now, you may commence in calling me a conservative cry baby...

So how have democrats proved to be the most closed minded and inmature bunch you have ever seen Rattletrap. Lets here it.

 

[Possum]

Sniperchoke - 1/5/2010 2:50 PM

Back to my original assessment the Libs of today don't have the Kahonas to do what Truman did to end WWII. First we would try to appease the Japs. Then use police force to try and arrest them give them all lawyers so they could plea bargain. Then we could pay for them to have psych screenings and give all the little bastards Aderall because they probably all have A.D.D. Then at last turn them lose to fight us again one day. Liberalism at its best.

Yea, Democrats should be more like Republicans, make up a lie for an excuse to got to war, so you can take care of all your oil buddies. That took a lot of Kahonas. While the real point of concern should have been Bin Laden. It does not take a whole lot of Kahonas to envade a country in which you have disarmed. My opinion on that whole deal was, once sanctions were lifted in Iraq, Saddam was going to flood the market with oil, not only to get back at Bush, Sr. but OPEC as well.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Outcaster you know the types that run the W.H.O. You really think our healthcare compares to Cuba. Really? I work healthcare everyday I supply durable medical equipment to individuals going home from the hospitals so I know what the heck im talking about. You can be a homeless person on the street have a heart attack be admitted to the hospital with no insurance and get as good as care as anyone in the country. You can get an EKG, echocardiogram, angioplasty, stints, heart caths, etc.. all with no way of paying. Public hospitals cannot legally turn people away for lack of finances or any other reason. As a matter of fact the nurses and doctors are prohibited from knowing the patient's financial status to prevent any bias in an emergency situation. So tell me who in this country cannot get healthcare if they need it. No one is ever denied care if they seek it.

 

[WLG]

While the real point of concern should have been Bin Laden. .[/QUOTE]

What would be different today if we killed Bin Laden? How many other Bin Ladens are out there waiting to take his place? Dont get me wrong here...I agree we should not go invading countries acting as a "police force"....I think we should concentrate more on our defense system. Unfortunately sometimes our defense has to be an offense. I dont know the answer....it looks like just about every country hates the good ol USA. Im still proud to be an American....and if it came to it...I would lay down my life so that my family would still have this land to live on!!

 

[WLG]

Also....I have wrote Zach Wamp and Bob Corker...telling them that I would be all for the same healthcare program that they have .......still no answer back. emoDoh