Huge fish kill at Triton owners TX last week.

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jpbass - 6/4/2015 7:16 AM
I'm sure anyone who fished the tournament would agree that Triton and ABA go above and beyond on their fish care practices.

Having spent Sunday through Tuesday with Triton and ABA this is 100% the truth.

Here are some of the facts:

More than 1,900 bass weighed
No more than 100 dead
That's less than a 2% Kill Rate

There was mention of "long lines". No more than 20 weigh in bags were out at anytime and the longest line at any point was 5 people with fish in their weigh-in bags.

This was not a case of negligence. The tournament director of this event was ABA who runs 100's of tournaments per year and fish care is one of their main priorities. You also had TWRA personnel on both live release boats fizzing and caring for fish.

Post mortality is something that happens in every tournament it was just much more visible in this tournament because of a couple of factors...

1. Fish are normally taken out to the river channel and released but with this tournament the main river was too rough and the release boats were taking water over the front so they stopped short and released the fish just outside of Paris landing which creates and eddy and doesn't allow for the fish that are released alive but don't make it to disperse.
2. You had the wind shift which basically blew every single fish that died onto the Causeway within a 100 yard stretch which magnified the situation

As you guys know whenever there are big tournaments in Dayton there is always a thread started about all the white buoy's floating down the river. Now imagine if all of them were pushed onto one bank and that's what has happened here.
 
Blake423 - 6/3/2015 11:41 AM

Kayaks don't really have a great aeration system or aerator at all so its somewhat irrelevant... Not downing kayak fisherman but its a totally different circumstance..

And yeah my bad on the stats, it would be around 2%!

And the most fun is the weigh-in... so the CPR method wouldn't suffice in my opinion...

Different circumstance...yes. But if some bass boat tournaments used CPR, the results would be the same...less mortality.
 
jpbass - 6/4/2015 10:41 AM

You can tell most of the negative comments were from people who were not at the tournament with no information about the tournament or the fish handling process. TWRA was present and were even on the release boat. So if they were not concerned with the condition of the fish then obviously it was not anything ABA or Triton could control. Besides, a 2.2% mortality rate is very low in most people's judgment for a post spawn event not even taking into account the water being so rough. Most fishermen around here have never seen conditions that bad.

Actually there is dozens of threads on Facebook and fishing forums where many of the anglers that fished it are really sick over this. I don't fish TX's, but I'm shocked how many that do think this is an acceptable outcome. I really dont want more regulations on fishing, I am one that doesn't think more GVT input is always the answer, id love to see dedicated TX fisherman come up with ideas and solutions to this.
 
I fished the tx myself and ABA done a great job with it. They gave everybody 2 bottles of g juice and done every thing possible to prevent this from happening, but unless you where there (or ever been on that lake) you would not understand how ruff the water is on that lake. This little creek we call the TN river don't ever get as ruff as that massive lake. Most everyone ran down river about 30 miles to new Johnsonvilla area. So a 30 mile run back up river in 1 to 2 ft waves was unfortunately what happened to most of the fish. But I agree that someone needs to stay around and clean up the unfortunate mess afterward. With the amount of fish caught near 6800lb of that 40 something dead isn't that bad. Im not going to speculate about how many "might have died and sunk to the bottom" just my little thought
 
According to the TX directors, they had 43 dead at the scales. They admit that they also collected over 100 that floated up dead. This is almost 8%, without any delayed mortality counted at all.
 
All do respect spur hunter. You just had to be there on that lake and see how ruff the water was and see how much work they put in to prevent any loss of fish.
 
Mudman - 6/4/2015 6:03 PM

All do respect spur hunter. You just had to be there on that lake and see how ruff the water was and see how much work they put in to prevent any loss of fish.

By all accounts, you are dead on, the outcome remains the same. I assume by your responses, you don't think there is an issue, and therefore are not concerned about the future of sportfishing in TN. These pictures have been posted all over the web, not just by fishermen, there are many folks concerned that know NOTHING about TX's and how the fish were cared for, all they are seeing is rotting, bloated fish floating in the water.
 
Are you saying that if its a church tx the fish won't die? A church tx would be no different than any other tx and would probably have a mortality rate as high as any other tx due to lack of handling facilities. Just saying.
 
I dont think many here are not concerned with the future of our TN fishery. "all they are seeing is rotting, bloated fish floating in the water." is the real problem. What is the acceptable mortality rates for Tournaments? Bass must be thinned, just as deer herds do. Left unchecked you are left with a lot of skinny starving bass. People do not eat bass like they use to.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...eed-bass-still-face-risk/stories/200908020169

Few clips from Maryland State. There are dozens of studies online that present similar numbers.

While the death rate for fish caught and immediately released by sport anglers is between 1 and 2 percent, biologists say the acceptable death rate in tournaments -- in which fish are caught, held for hours in live wells and handled before release -- is 26 to 28 percent.

The issue among anglers, said Mr. Wilde, isn't that tournament-caught fish are killed but that tournaments and local anglers want them released alive.
"It's public relations," said Mr. Wilde. "If every fish caught in every tournament in the United States was killed, it would not have an appreciable impact on fish populations."
In a 2003 study of the impact of tournament mortality on F.J. Sayer Lake in Bald Eagle State Park in northcentral Pennsylvania, the state Fish and Boat Commission estimated about 12 percent of bass 12 inches or greater died annually following tournament releases. Non-tournament sport angling resulted in about 33 percent of overall losses
 
Triton did an excellent job running this tournament. I have fished it 5 years now and it's gotten better each year. I did not have to wait more than 20 minutes to get my fish on the scales once I passed the check in boat. Please don't bash this tournament unless you saw it first hand. Yes the wind was blowing perfect to set all the delayed mortality incidents in the same location if that was the same picture given ky lake was above summer pool at the time. I agree with Jp, that's sketchy. But overall triton did an excellent job. This 400 boat tournament was ran smoother than most 40 boat tournaments I have fished. It's 2% btw
 
Carl, if those numbers are true, then you should NEVER EVER hear a peep of dissent when a guy catches a large fish and decides to have a real mount done, or anglers keeping full limits to eat whenever they choose to. Both of these things have happened numerous times here, and we have lost good contributing members over those threads. At least those cases happen in a somewhat private setting, this TX kill is getting a lot of press on the web, its bad for all fishing.
 
Oh I agree with all of that. It is getting blown out of proportion by the media. And I agree, if someone wants to mount a fish, its his right to, or if he wants to take it home and eat. We need to do everything possible to protect the fish and educate people. As that article stated, it is a public relations problem, not a resource, fisheries problem.
 
CATCH and RELEASE Fishing Tournament – A NEW CONCEPT


According to State Directors of Inland Fisheries, tournament bass mortality and bass tournament fish kills do not and have never negatively impacted bass fisheries. Our State Bass Fisheries are effectively managed by State Fish and Game Department and DNR professionals. Fisheries are continuously restocked with healthy supplies of new bass (financed by our tax dollars).

The focus of “catch and release” tournament bass fishing was and is, all about a creating a positive public relations image out of a negative, bad public relations image. A brilliant PR stunt to win hearts and minds.

Ray Scott invented “Bubba Power.” Get the good ol’ boys turned on to the bass fishing sport, and make a lot of money off the “Bubbas,” [and air bubbles]. This proved to be a lucrative concept that made billions in profits for four decades. A new fishing industry was born – Tournament Bass Fishing for profit and fun called B.A.S.S. http://www.rayscott.net/bio/bio.php

“Catch and Release, how it all began,” Bill Dance Outdoors – http://www.billdanceoutdoors.com/bills-blog__2.php?p=406 Posted February 18, 2014

During the early days of B.A.S.S, 1971. , all the tournament bass were routinely killed, weighed and given to charities (feeding the hungry). The bass kill during these fishing tournaments became a liability and a serious public relations problem when the locals started complaining.

Scott talked with Bob Cobb, and both agreed that something needed to be done to change the image of “boat loads of dead bass” the public saw at B.A.S.S. tournaments. They put their thinking caps on and…

Bob Cobb wrote a press release that beginning in 1972, the B.A.S.S. Catch and Release program would be initiated to release 90% of the tournament catch alive and which would improve the public relations image of tournament bass fishing.

They even invented and implemented a new bass tournament rule, the “dead-fish penalty.” Anglers were punished for every dead bass they presented to the weigh-master by weight reduction for each dead bass. Their hope was this fine would motivate contestants to make some effort to keep their catch alive all day in bass boat livewells. The killer was that all-day ride in the anglers’ bass boat livewell where the fish suffocated.

The question and challenge for Scott and Cobb now – how do their members keep bass alive all day in their boat’s livewell? How are contestants going to keep bass alive after they are hooked, fought and landed then hauled all day (7-8 hours) in a bass boat livewell or ice chest?

So here’s what they decided… and it worked very well.

Scott contacted his buddy, Sam Spencer, with the Alabama Fish and Game Department. Scott wanted Sam’s expert advice about how to keep tournament caught bass alive during and after tournaments. Both knew that bass needed dissolved oxygen so they talked about [air] using small pumps for aerators, like small aquarium pumps that made [air] bubbles for aquarium fish [guppies, goldfish, clown fish, etc.]. They figured that when the air bubbles burst at the surface of the water, the air bubbles left dissolved oxygen in the water. Scott had an epiphany then, an acute awakening and said, “Then the secret is just putting [air] bubbles in the water.” Sam, Alabama Fish and Game Department replied, “the more [air] bubbles the better” and the race was on.

[It’s easy to confuse air with oxygen and nitrogen because these gases are all colorless, odorless and tasteless and they all make clear bubbles in livewell water.

Scott and Sam both assumed that air bubbles made plenty of oxygen and air bubbles were the “key” to keeping tournament bass alive in bass boat livewells. Keeping fish alive and live release would solve this bad tournament PR image and make bass fishing tournaments acceptable to the public… this PR problem was solved.

Scott built a prototype spray bar aeration system with a round lawn sprinkler and garden hose that sprayed streams of water into the air. He attached the water sprinkler inside the bass boat livewell at the top. The water hose was attached to a bilge pump and the pump placed in the bottom of the livewell. The water was pumped through the sprinkler and jetted to the water surface, filled the livewell with [air] bubbles. He claimed the new aeration device would ensure plenty of dissolved oxygen and livewell suffocation would be eliminated… the myth was born and not questioned for decades. Boat manufacturers, bass fishermen and the media bought and promoted this myth hook, line and sinker making millions of dollars.

At this time Ray Coyle, an engineer and member of B.A.S.S., modified Scotts’ water sprinkler aeration prototype with PVC pipe with holes bored in it and then claimed his new “aeration device raised the dissolved oxygen 300% more than lake water.” This is when they began to use the words air and oxygen interchangeably, ignoring the fact that oxygen and air are two different gases.

Read the gas law and understand the science how gases that can be dissolved in water are limited:

Henry’s Gas Law – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry's_law

[After all, without expensive scientific instrumentation, the average fishermen, politician or fishery biologist cannot tell the difference between air, nitrogen or oxygen because these gases are colorless, odorless and tasteless and all make bubbles in livewell water. So who would ever question this or challenge their story?]

[The air bubble story was not scientifically challenged for 27 years from 1972 to 1999 when a savvy fishery biologist started testing bass boat livewell water at bass tournaments with his dissolved oxygen meter… and the air bubble myth was confirmed when the truth popped out, the DO meter exposed the truth about air bubbles and summer death well water quality…

Tournament fish were suffocating in bass boat livewells in summer tournaments by the thousands because of insufficient dissolved oxygen in livewell water.]

Their claim was, with anglers using their new aeration device, tournament bass kills could be reduced from 100% kill to only 10% kill… so that was their story and they have stuck to it over 4 decades. Tournament bass kills were and continue to be a fishing tournament public relations problem.

Email your State Fish and Game /DNR Director of your State’s Inland Fishery and ask two questions… (1) Do tournament bass kills negatively impact the state’s bass fishery? (2) Would the state’s bass fishery be negatively impacted if ALL the tournament bass were killed in every tournament in your state?

The Best Tournament Bass Care possible is not to suffocate the summer tournament catch in live release boat haul tanks, weigh-in holding tanks or angler bass boat livewells where the catch is confined for 7-8 hours on a summer day. Chronic oxygen deprivation and 7-8 hour suffocation in a bass boat livewell has been scientifically proven to be the primary cause of Summer Bass Tournament Acute and Delayed Mortality.

In order to reduce their tournament bass kills, B.A.S.S./ESPN now hold the BassMaster Classic Tournament in February, the dead of winter when the environment water temperature is cold. There will be no more BassMaster Classic fishing tournaments in August, the hottest time of year—

This PR move based in scientific research and fishery science thanks to professionals like B.A.S.S. Conservation Director, Gene Gilliland, http://newsok.com/gene-gilliland-going-to-work-for-b.a.s.s./article/3875313 and Dr. Hal Schramm, Jr. http://www.coopunits.org/Mississippi/People/Hal_Schramm/index.html and many other professionals concerned and actively involved in new methods that improve summer tournament survival by reducing excessive summer tournament bass kills.
 

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