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I'll agree with that Bassbug! It just really pisses me off the more I think about this. When I see ownership papers to this water other than the state of Tennessee, I'll quit fishing altogether. </p>

As far as you guys taking people...MYSELF INCLUDED on taking folks, if you don't want a "hole" exposed...DONT TAKE THEM! But , I got a bit of news for you guys. People are not stupid. I can ride up and down this lake 3 times a week and just SEE where people sit. Sooner or later......Yes, I'll take a gander at that spot. Say you haven't and I'll say your full of it. </p>

This crap on here needs to quit. Make a post...leave out your pics, be honest about bait and temp ect...Don't take anyone else so you don't get Ill.....Go fishing for fun...get over it! CFF was started as a resource to help educate and help people on our lake and area lakes. Did you miss that or what?!</p>

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 Yes, that's my rant..
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BTW..If any member is "deliberately" going "take a hole" shame on you too! </p>
 
Thank you to the following guys

1)Drumking
2)EricM
3)MrWhiskers
4)WLG
5)FoodSaver
6)Liveliner
7)Southerncats
8)Rsimms
9)BigFishGuide

It's late, I know I'm forgetting a few. I left my family and friends a few years back so it means a lot to me when you share your reports and take me out fishing. All I can do is share my knowledge with you, and give you a little gas money. I hope that is enough. I also hope that the great experiences I have had with all of you have made as great of an impact on you as they have on me. I mean my girlfriend is down here, but I get lonely not having any friends to just go hang out with. That is why it means so much to me to go out on the fishing adventures I have.

I'll be going to Canada. Please don't fish my spots after you see the pictures emoLaugh
 
I mean what is it you guys want?

This is my little rant.

This past late summer and early fall Southerncats got raked over the coals for not posting really descriptive information about the big cats he caught up on chickamauga. Truth is, I think some people were jealous because he was catching 60s when lots of people hadn't caught one for several months.

I post tons of detail in my catfish posts, and then I get told about how I don't appreciate life because I say the catfish are biting finicky. I mean, this is a fishing forum right? Sometimes the fish nearly break the rod out of the rod holder, then other days they bite like they are watching tv or something. I think I should be able to voice how I feel the day went for "fishing." I appreciate my life and know I'm lucky, so you don't need to tell me how I should word my post, because I don't tell you. So maybe we all need to have the CFF moderators pre-approve our posts and then take a poll if the posts will be pleasing or not. It is just ridiculous to me.

I'm mad at X, Y, Z, they won't give any details.

I'm mad at X, Y, Z, they fish MY fishing spots. MY spots on the public Tennessee River that is so incredibly enormous with so many darn fish.

Either way, you're going to lose at this rate since there are so many people and we all own the spots on the river.

Of course though, you post a lot of information, people are tempted to fish "public" fishing spots on the TENNESSEE RIVER! Not a private pond, or even a lake, the TENNESSEE RIVER!

POLO, I FORGOT YOU! THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE CRAPPIE TRIP.

I've always tried to be completely positive, but I have to admit we are hypocritical on this forum. We either want all the details, and then complain when we find fishing spots that others fish, or, we complain that there isn't enough information in a post.

Thanks if anyone actually read this.
 
I'm sorry I stirred up several members of the forum about this, I thought I made it plain that I wasn't complaining - or having my feet stepped on by folks I have taken (I have done so of my own free will and don't remember ever telling anyone not to fish where I teach them), but just wanted to answer questions about how some of our respected members were starting to feel and why they weren't posting as much, if at all. Why some of you are taking this as a personal affront is beyond me. No one has claimed ownership of anything but their personal knowledge, and have simply indicated their disappointment that there appears to be a downside to sharing and want to step back a little. Why the venom in some of the responses? I even used as an example one of the most kind and gentle people I have ever met because I believed that you know him and you would understand that this is not an ugly subject or attitude, just a growing concern.
 
I don't mind giving out pretty descriptive info. Anyone with a good map or gps can find anything on the lake anyway. Last year, Churly and I were talking about this exact same thing. Well, we got to talking about holes and I found out that one of my favorite "holes" also happened to be a good hole for a big tx fisherman. Well, I had never seen the guy before, but I happened upon it one day while checking my gps. When I started fishing I found a couple of big brushpiles right on the drop. I did not put them there but I did not steal the person's hole either. I do fish it a lot and catch fish there a lot, but sometimes I blank there too. I do understand about giving out specific information and having someone else be there when you get there, but, the fish aren't glued to that area. Granted, it may hold a good population of fish, but someone may have stumbled upon it the way I found that brush pile. I've also found a good hole by just watching. There was one place out in the middle of nowhere, but there was always a boat on it. One day I decided to check it out for myself, and it has some great features and produces a lot of fish. I don't feel that by fishing it I am stealing someone's hole, eventhough they might be the reason I found it in the first place. Fishing is supposed to be fun and there are wayyy more fish in the lake than could ever be caught. I think sometimes we tend to take ourselves a bit too seriously. Just do your homework and look for similar patterns throughout the lake. If you are worried about someone stealing a hole, don't take them there, or at least ask them not to tell anyone. Heck, Churly called me one day to ask if it was alright for him to fish "my hole" during a CBA. I thought he was joking because I don't own a single spot on the lake, but he was dead serious and if I had said no, he wouldn't have fished it. I thought it was a classy thing to do, but totally unneccessary. Just try to be respectful of those you fish with and if you are worried about someone hole stealing, just give basic information, depth, temp, current, etc. That's all that I ever want in a report anyway. I don't want an exact spot because fish swim and react to conditions. Anyway, I could ramble on and on but I've sorta made my point.
 
BBass - 3/23/2008 6:32 PM



MIAs...Lord knows you guys are some of the ones i want to ride with one day. Just to get to know you better! You guys are the reason my fishing knowledge and education have grown 100% in the last 2 years! For me, its not about the holes...its the people here and the friendships I've made. </p>
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Thanks for your comments, Billy. It really isn't about the "holes", but about the relationships that are developed or being developed that has made CFF the great site that it is. But, out of nearly 2500 members, only a handful ever posted a meaningful report. I'm gonna get a lot of flak from some of you for saying what I'm about to say, but don't take this personally. Some of you want to use "toilet" language on this forum that is read by kids and women and this is no place for that kind of talk or suggestive language. You have a college education. Act like you learned something while in school!

Some of you never post meaningful reports that might help others become a better fisherman because you are a TX fisherman and are so selfish and afraid that someone might just beat you to your "secret" hole. I've heard your lame excuses for not posting before, so save your breath.

I personally don't care if someone is sitting on the holes that I have shown them. I have been out and saw boats on every spot that I normally fish, but all that does is make me a better fisherman. That forces me to look elsewhere for fish, and believe you me, the fish aren't just on "my" holes. But out of respect for others who have pm'd me about certain pics that I have shown in the past, I discovered that I was actually fishing in one of their hotspots and they didn't want the pics posted. I have tried since that time to never show the exact location of the places that I fish. Although no one took me to these spots to fish, and I have discovered them on my own because I know how to search for fish, I won't show them to others because of the respect that I have for those who have pm'd me.

Personal attacks on someone's character either on the forum or by PM's really isn't necessary. Where no wood is, the fire goes out. So just keep your mouth shut and let the ignorant be ignorant.

Now that I have vented, I feel better too. I will continue to monitor the forum and answer pm's. If this continues to be a civil place to visit, then I might post again in the future. Until then, they will be by email to a few. Hopefully, I can still meet some of you guys and gals that I have promised to take fishing and get to know you better. emoGeezer
 
I fish tournaments as much as any and I see boats on holes I fish everytime I am out, there's only so much lake and we will be forced to share or be upset all the time. Look, the bottom line is: I get paid to put up with stress and BS( not beetle spin, the other BS) 5 days a week. Anytime I get free time out on the water I am out to have fun, even if I'm fishing a TX. If someone is sitting where I am planning to fish I will do 2 things: move along or fish behind them.

I know of a few TX fishermen who are always wondering where everybody else is catching fish and always trying to figure out what the other guy is throwing, those guys are behind from the get-go! I feel like I am better off finding new places and fish on my own. If I happen to be sitting on your hole when you pull around the corner I appologize! In the case Davo spoke of above; I knew about the area but actually learned quite a bit from fishing it with him, thats why I asked if I could hit it in my next TX. I have this feeling that if it was Davo's secret hole it would have remained secret!

As for the Lurker issue, I feel like you can post an informative report and give alot of info without ever giving away your spots or lures, while helping someone out. I've gained alot of insight from the reports of others and have tried to give back as much as I can without giving any coordinates. If someone spots a dock in the background of my picture or sees me on a hump and decides they have to hit that hole in order to catch fish-go right ahead!
 
I just read all these posts and I don't really see anyone disagreeing on this issue. By the way, I appreciate the post Eric. We all think this but probably wouldn't throw it out in a post as you did. You are absolutely correct in your assessment in my opinion. As are a LOT of you in your response.
A lot of you I have discussed this with.... it's an issue that we all have noticed. It's all human nature. Yes, I've been told not to come back to a spot I was shown or I would get my butt kicked. And I'm sure he meant it. He's not a CFF'er, but did point out it took him a lifetime of fishing these waters to gain such knowledge. I've too shown people my honeyest of holes. But I've been shown a lot more holes than I've been able given my limited knowledge of the area. In that breath, I've tried to give as much as I can offer. I've argued with people about giving up my spot and now after my almost first year of being here, meeting a lot of you, increasing my catch/enjoyment/knowledge I feel almost silly for even feeling bad about this... This forum has meant the most for me in way of local fishing knowledge, but more so for it's relationships. I love you guys. You have helped me catch fish! You have corrected me. Helped me when I didn't have the cash to fish. Held me accountable for my actions, words and mistakes. You guys are my friends. I feel silly now after reading what many of you have said for feeling in the past PISSED that someone would call out my spot or show up next to me at a hole after my posting a nice catch. WLG, Eric, Dickey, Spur, Billy.... I agree with most every word you have said. 2jigs probably deals with it best. With a bit of humor. He almost squats in his livewell to take a picture. He's fishing for money. I understand and agree with why he does this. How can we not? He's also shared as much knowledge with me via phone and person than any other I've met. Call him. He'll do the same for anyone that asks.
But all that being said.... CFF changed my fishing life. I've met some wonderful people. The fishing became more enjoyable as a result of this comradree. The connection is priceless. Thanks to all of you for your unselfish giving. I'll try to balance my pics and reports to give as detailed reports as I can. I just love fishing. No other way to put it. You all do too. That's why we feel passionate about this site and topic. CFF will be what we make it.
 
<font color="#ff0033">Hey nick a jack Angler.....that is very well put for a YANKEE.....but seriously,  I feel very strongly about the fellowship and the friends that I have made as a result of this forum.....things money cannot buy...thanks...FA</font>
 
Just watching this thread for my own reasons of not posting more and to see if there is a conclusion to this thread, or are we as members going to take action or if there is any action other than to not posting a report, or making a generic report or tell all. By being discreet with the info and generic with the post thats the best route but who want's to read a fishing report that says.... fish caught on rocks or by wood, we all want the details of how where and when and what was used thats why we read this forum to improve our knowledge of how to fish and to cut down on the hrs per catch ratio spent trying to catch a single fish. This site has certainly wised me up about who I can trust and who I can't with information that has taken me years to figure out. And I have taken several things from this site and applied it to my fishing arsenal but I have never taken someones fishing hole and pounded the heck out of it for WEEKS AT A TIME. So I'm more careful and more generic with my info sharing since last year.
 
I found CFF when it was very new. I lurked for a long time before I was comfortable posting. I wasn’t fishing but a few times a year around Chattanooga, and not doing that very successfully. If I had not been able to see the fishing reports I’m sure I never would have visited more than a few times. I’m not an inexperienced fisherman, but I had never really fished using the methods good fishermen use here and in water that had no alligators. I have also had very little time to fish until I retired last year, so reading about how people catch fish here has been a great help. For example the first thing I learned was how to rig for catfishing at the nuke ( the where wasn’t a issue). Several people have posted about dock shooting techniques and from studying these and some remedial training from Cheez and Drumking I can get by. Those two guy also showed me some of their crappie holes, but I already knew about most of them from ridding down the lake and looking for someone fishing setting down and not from the forum. I am way too laid back to study the background of a photo to steal a fishing spot. I was already using Hi-Vis line when we moved to TN, but would never have tried Panfish Assassins if it were not for the forum. I’m hoping that later this spring someone will post how to catch Brim and Shellcrackers in some way that doesn’t involve a porcupine quill.

I’ll admit I don’t post as much as I should.. If I catch 8 fish in 12' on a pink jig and then sign on to the forum and find that 3 other people have posted the same information, I might not post. If DK has caught 3 limits in 12 min from a spot that I just left after catching 6, I’m probably not going to post. But 90% of the time that I fish I also post, I just don’t fish that much. If I think I have something relevant to add to the topic I always post. I’m probably am never going to express an opinion on anything other than fishing again. When I had to work I had to put up with the behavior you see occasionally on CFF, but I’m on island time now and someone else can deal with that. If any one wants to know about Brim fishing on MS River Oxbows or Crappie on the I55 corridor lakes, I will probably post volumes. But just like some people are short and others tall, some are verbose and I rarely say 2 words when 1 will do unless I’m with some one I know well.

I am very grateful to the people that have shared their techniques. I probably would still be driving back to Mississippi or to Kentucky Lake to fish if it were not for them. I hope people will continue to share things other than location and we can keep it available to everyone. Of course I don’t have the problem of catching so may fish that there is a queue of 20 people waiting to fish with me. If only.
 
beetlespin - 3/25/2008 7:39 PM

We could always just list out who the real hole stealers are. I could name a few right off the bat. It might suprise some of you.
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I admit it, it was me that lurked and stole your secret spot on Wattajackmauga creekrock pond. But I am not a HOLE stealer.
 
i tell all and still catch fish at least once ayear theres always guys in my club that are secreative thats the ones i like to aggravate the most the more it bothers you the less fun you have while everybody else is havin a blast i think we should inform as many people as we can about how to fish lakes so many people try to join clubs but get discouraged cause they never get enough help in figuring out how to catch fish in bigger lakes i got a freind in my club that will tell you everything to throw and still beat you, FA knows him we have people right now trying to stop us from so called "hurting fish" im goin to tims thursday ill tell what i caught em on deep,shallow whatever, just my 2cnts sam
 
smalliemouth - 3/25/2008 8:17 PM

i tell all and still catch fish at least once ayear theres always guys in my club that are secreative thats the ones i like to aggravate the most the more it bothers you the less fun you have while everybody else is havin a blast i think we should inform as many people as we can about how to fish lakes so many people try to join clubs but get discouraged cause they never get enough help in figuring out how to catch fish in bigger lakes i got a freind in my club that will tell you everything to throw and still beat you, FA knows him we have people right now trying to stop us from so called "hurting fish" im goin to tims thursday ill tell what i caught em on deep,shallow whatever, just my 2cnts sam
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Yes please do tell...........emoSmile
 
BigFishGuide - 3/25/2008 6:43 PM

Just watching this thread for my own reasons of not posting more and to see if there is a conclusion to this thread, or are we as members going to take action or if there is any action other than to not posting a report, or making a generic report or tell all. By being discreet with the info and generic with the post thats the best route but who want's to read a fishing report that says.... fish caught on rocks or by wood, we all want the details of how where and when and what was used thats why we read this forum to improve our knowledge of how to fish and to cut down on the hrs per catch ratio spent trying to catch a single fish. This site has certainly wised me up about who I can trust and who I can't with information that has taken me years to figure out. And I have taken several things from this site and applied it to my fishing arsenal but I have never taken someones fishing hole and pounded the heck out of it for WEEKS AT A TIME. So I'm more careful and more generic with my info sharing since last year.
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Well said. Watered down posts are worthless which is why I try to include as much detail as possible. If it comes to the point where all I can post is generic posts I will quit. Plain and simple. If you cannot share information then what is the point of having a forum. A lot of posts have turned into bragging sessions with little to no information shared.
 

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