New idea on Taxes & Jobs

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digitalcb - 9/29/2010 4:41 PM

cheez - 9/29/2010 4:27 PM

What do you think a liberal is Steve? Nothing more than a modern day communist. They will not use the word communist because of the obvious implications.

Actually that was part of my point!!! Sorry if it came across otherwise. :emoticon:

Nope you came across just fine. I was simply reinforcing for those out there who do not yet know what a true liberal is.

 

[digitalcb]

cheez - 9/29/2010 4:48 PM

Nope you came across just fine. I was simply reinforcing for those out there who do not yet know what a true liberal is.

Isn't "a true liberal" an "Oxymoron'? emoTeacher emoUpsmile emoToast

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 9/28/2010 9:26 PM

outcaster - 9/28/2010 8:22 PM

SpurHunter - 9/28/2010 7:59 PM

I dont have to debate with you any more Danny, you have proven my point ten-fold with your last two posts.

A person with a good idea, DESERVES to reap the benefits of their hard work, (first post), and you finally admit that a person who makes lots of money is neither evil or corrupt.

Second, Liberals DONT WANT to pay their fair-share of taxes as is so often touted, but instead think you should get a "better", (i.e. corrupt) accountant to make sure that as little is paid as possible. Quite contrary to what Libs are always saying......Im just saying........

I think you should go back and read my posts. A person that gets rich because he has a good idea IS reaping the benefits.... He's RICH, and can afford to do or buy most anything he wants! Most Rich people are neither evil or corrupt, furthermore more than half of them agree with ME! None of you have come up with ANY data, or ANY studies to back up the position that the wealthiest 3% are the main driving force of our economy. NONE, ZIP, NADA! So claim victory if you like... But I'll wait for credible data from you. Additionally any real "small business" owner reporting a quarter million dollar adjusted gross income
DOES need to fire his accountant. Nothing corrupt about taking all the LEGAL breaks and loopholes. Just sayin.

First of all you don't know how much over 250,000.00 the person makes. Here is some data for you everytime we have reduced taxes as a country the overall tax revenue increases because more people are working. Trickle down economics at its best.

That's not true at ALL! In the last decade alone with the Bush tax cuts, federal tax revenues decreased by 2.7 trillion dollars. In 1993, Clinton raised taxes on the top 2% and lowered taxes on the middle class and revenues grew and the budget was balanced.

 

[SpurHunter]

Apples and oranges Danny.

The Bush tax cuts would have worked perfectly had the idiot Lib'ers in Fannie and Freddie's back pockets, getting special deals for themselves and pushing a *sociaist agenda, not allowed it to self-destruct. Leave it to Liberal politicians to leave a pile of flaming goat dung on your doorstep at night......


*Socialist agenda = "requiring that banks loan to people that could not afford to repay loans"

 

[outcaster]

I had the occasion to have lunch today with my brother-in-law, who is a professor and WVU. I told him about the tax conversation we are having here on cff, and the some of the opinions expressed. He made two good points to me which I kinda already knew, but needed to be reminded.

First: Conservatives and Liberals see taxation completely differently. Most conservatives see taxation as punishment for doing well or working harder, or being better educated. They often seem to view those beneath them on the economic ladder as less motivated, less educated or down right lazy. Some even view taxation as stealing from them, and giving it away to someone who has not worked as hard as they have.
Liberals see taxation much differently. They see taxation as the only way to pay for things all Americans share together regardless of how motivated, educated, or lazy someone may, or may not be. Things like roads, fire and police protection, sewer service, National Parks, inspected fruits, vegetables and meats, safe medication, clean water and air, welfare, food stamps, Social Security, and healhcare. Liberals don't view it as punishing anyone, and view the things like the ones just mentioned as something that should be done by the gov't because the free market capitalist system either can't or won't provide these services to all Americans equally and fairly. They also believe the concept of a graduated federal tax structure is the best (not perfect) way to try to insure that the ones on the bottom end of the financial ladder do not pay a higher percentage of their incomes to taxes, fees, and licenses.

Second: The reason many believe the wealthiest should not have to pay a higher percentage of their income in federal taxes is that: The act itself of working harder, or having a better education, and becoming wealthy is some how their reward. And even the ones that will never reach that level of income defend that reward. It's as if they seem to want to punish themselves with a bigger tax burden because they are not motivated, or educated enough to attain that highest level of income.

 

[outcaster]

SpurHunter - 9/29/2010 5:46 PM

Apples and oranges Danny.

The Bush tax cuts would have worked perfectly had the idiot Lib'ers in Fannie and Freddie's back pockets, getting special deals for themselves and pushing a *sociaist agenda, not allowed it to self-destruct. Leave it to Liberal politicians to leave a pile of flaming goat dung on your doorstep at night......


*Socialist agenda = "requiring that banks loan to people that could not afford to repay loans"

Your right about the apples and oranges part... gotta admit I've never heard the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy spun that way, I've gotta think about that one for a little while. That's more like something I would expect cheez or eyeman2 to say. lol BTW when are we going fishing?

 

[Sniperchoke]

Hey Outcaster here are some more statistics. The top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006,(source Dep. of Treasury) the highest share in at least 40 years. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%. Barack Obama says he's going to cut taxes for those at the bottom, but that's also going to be a challenge because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1%. Perhaps he thinks half the country should pay all the taxes to support the other half. I rest my case.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 9/29/2010 6:51 PM


Hey Outcaster here are some more statistics. The top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006,(source Dep. of Treasury) the highest share in at least 40 years. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%. Barack Obama says he's going to cut taxes for those at the bottom, but that's also going to be a challenge because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1%. Perhaps he thinks half the country should pay all the taxes to support the other half. I rest my case.

Quick math check for you..... 40% and 71% don't equal 100%. So according to snipers tax plan anyone below the median income level should turn their pay check over to the IRS. The argument was NEVER about total dollar percentages,but about the percentage of the entire financial pie across all income levels. All 307,006,550 of us can't be brain surgeons, nuclear physicists, and wall street tycoons. Some of us need to be nurses, school teachers, ditch diggers, waffle house cooks, and policeman.

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 9/29/2010 6:06 PM

Sniperchoke - 9/29/2010 6:51 PM


Hey Outcaster here are some more statistics. The top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006,(source Dep. of Treasury) the highest share in at least 40 years. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%. Barack Obama says he's going to cut taxes for those at the bottom, but that's also going to be a challenge because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1%. Perhaps he thinks half the country should pay all the taxes to support the other half. I rest my case.

Quick math check for you..... 40% and 71% don't equal 100%. So according to snipers tax plan anyone below the median income level should turn their pay check over to the IRS. The argument was NEVER about total dollar percentages,but about the percentage of the entire financial pie across all income levels. All 307,006,550 of us can't be brain surgeons, nuclear physicists, and wall street tycoons. Some of us need to be nurses, school teachers, ditch diggers, waffle house cooks, and policeman.

Obviously you need the math check. The top 10% of income earners thats inculding the top 1 % of income earners. They pay 71% of the total tax bill. Maybe you didn't take Statistics 101. Sorry

 

[digitalcb]

outcaster - 9/29/2010 7:06 PM

Sniperchoke - 9/29/2010 6:51 PM


Hey Outcaster here are some more statistics. The top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006,(source Dep. of Treasury) the highest share in at least 40 years. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%. Barack Obama says he's going to cut taxes for those at the bottom, but that's also going to be a challenge because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1%. Perhaps he thinks half the country should pay all the taxes to support the other half. I rest my case.

Quick math check for you..... 40% and 71% don't equal 100%. So according to snipers tax plan anyone below the median income level should turn their pay check over to the IRS. The argument was NEVER about total dollar percentages,but about the percentage of the entire financial pie across all income levels. All 307,006,550 of us can't be brain surgeons, nuclear physicists, and wall street tycoons. Some of us need to be nurses, school teachers, ditch diggers, waffle house cooks, and policeman.

I am amazed at this post. Where in the the world did "40% and 71% don't equal 100%" come from? Did you even attempt to read the post you referenced?

1. Hey Outcaster here are some more statistics. The top 1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006,

2. The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%

By definition the top 1% is a subset of the top 10%.

If the top 10% paid 71% of income taxes then the remaining 90% of taxpayers paid the remaining 29%

If the top 1% paid 40% of the income taxes then 2 thru 10 percent paid 31% of income taxes.

Of course it doesn't add up to 100%. because he was only discussing 40% of the taxpayers

 

[outcaster]

That's fine.... Go ahead, feel guilty that you are not paying your fair share when compared to the rich man. I choose not to. Go back to school, invent something, work 100 hours a week, or buy a lottery ticket. Make yourself rich, then you won't have to feel guilty anymore.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Is that because you are selfish and it is all about you. I thought you liberals where so caring that you would give up your tax dollars for the gov't to give it to someone who really needs it. Now we see the real ploy. Keep the liberals in power so I don't have to pay my fair share. Truth hurts huh.

 

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Sniperchoke - 9/29/2010 10:48 PM

Is that because you are selfish and it is all about you. I thought you liberals where so caring that you would give up your tax dollars for the gov't to give it to someone who really needs it. Now we see the real ploy. Keep the liberals in power so I don't have to pay my fair share. Truth hurts huh.

You NAILED it here Snipe.

With liberals it is never do as I do but rather do as I say. They claim to be the party of the working man but yet the top ten lawmakers in the country are also the richest.

The biggest tax cheat I have ever personally know is also one of the most politically liberal people I have ever known.

Just look at the lawmakers who have been busted for tax cheating. MOST are liberals.

 

[ryantaylor]

If this is an issue about taxing fairly there is a very simple solution it is called the fair tax. Although it will never be passed because it takes the power away from the government and puts it into the hands of the people and lord knows we can't do that. I mean what would happen to America if the liberals could no longer confinscate and redistribute the wealth?

 

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ryantaylor - 9/30/2010 9:48 AM

If this is an issue about taxing fairly there is a very simple solution it is called the fair tax. Although it will never be passed because it takes the power away from the government and puts it into the hands of the people and lord knows we can't do that. I mean what would happen to America if the liberals could no longer confinscate and redistribute the wealth?

I'll tell you exactly what would happen Ryan. The USA would get back to what the original leaders intended for it to be.

 

[bulletm]

And who provides the jobs in America..the guy making 75k? That was intended as response to message on page one or two, someone let me know how you respond below the message you intend to make the comment on. Thanks..

 

[Liveliner]

<div>Tax the bastards they have the money … A Parable</div><div></div><div>Once upon a time a group of pilgrims who settled into an area decided to set up their own little village. In the group, there were folks from all walks of life. They all started with basically the same things they brought with them. They all worked together to build cabins and a schoolhouse. A few of the settlers volunteered to build a church house. By this time several folks were beginning to slack off from so much work. Most didn’t quit until they had enough going for them that they could be self sustaining for their families. About 3 percent of the settlers were ambitious and continued to work. They built large farms and made investments in what it took to prosper. They grew enough crops and raises enough livestock to totally support the needs of the entire village. They set up stores to sell their products. These few became very important to the survival to the settlement. They offered jobs for many of the town folk, They always had the shelves stocked in the food and dry goods stores with what folks needed for survival. One of the hard workers in the village had began to acquire enough money that he began lending some of it out to help fellow villagers who were in need.</div><div>
</div><div>One day the town locals said that they would like to build a new park for all to enjoy. They asked who would like to help build the park. Most all the folks in the village volunteered to help in any way they could. The hard working 3percent even volunteered to furnish and supply the materials required to accomplish the tasks. As always there were many folks that did not want to volunteer their time and efforts to build the park but did in fact have every intention to use it. </div><div>
</div><div>As the village grew there were more and more requests for more to be done to further enhance the lifestyle of all town members. By this time many more villagers were accustom to the easy life afforded to them by the 3 percent who had given to them jobs and everything else they needed to better themselves. In a town meeting the people came up with an idea. Lets require by law that the 3 percent who made us the great town we are be forced to give up more than their fair share. They thought they could do this to cover for the fact that this town has way too many folks who sit on their asses and do nothing but bitch.. The 3 percent seeing that there may be hard times in the near future had to cut back on cost for self preservation. They were forced to lay off all their workers, shut down the mills, the bank quit loaning money to folks in need and the stores had to raise the cost of their items since the products were no longer ready accessible. The towns folk, especially the ones who did not contribute anything to the betterment of the village continued to demand that the 3 percent give their hard earned money to benefit the many who did nothing.</div><div>
</div><div>The 3 percent loaded their wagons and moved to Mexico. Sound familiar ???</div>