SpurHunter
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</p>outcaster - 12/31/2009 12:48 PM You're a good at copy/paste. I'm impressed
True, but the facts dont lie. </p>
</p>outcaster - 12/31/2009 12:48 PM You're a good at copy/paste. I'm impressed
Sniperchoke - 12/31/2009 1:43 PM
Outcaster you need to be educated a little read and then comment.
Politics and Blacks
President Barack Obama won an unprecedented 96 percent of the black vote. That's not much of a news story since blacks typically give their votes to the Democratic candidate. Blacks are probably the most politically loyal people in the nation and it is almost taken as gospel, at least among civil rights organizations and black and white liberals, that the only way black people can make socioeconomic progress is through the politics of race and special government programs. However, such a vision can be subjected to empirical evidence.
In 1940, when blacks were politically impotent, their poverty rate was 87 percent. By 1960, before blacks achieved much political power, it fell to 47 percent. During that interval, in various skilled trades, the incomes of blacks relative to whites more than doubled. Before 1960, there were no anti-poverty programs or affirmative action programs that can explain an economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval, though there were Truman and Eisenhower administration attacks on some of the gross forms of racial discrimination. A significant chunk of black progress occurred simply through migration from rural areas in the South to big Northern cities. Between 1960 and 1980, black poverty fell roughly 17 percent and continued falling to today's 24 percent. The decline in black poverty between 1960 and 1980 might have simply been a continuation of a trend starting much earlier and cannot be attributed solely to the 1964 Civil Rights Act, President Johnson's War on Poverty, or Richard Nixon's affirmative action.
Most of the major problems that many black people face are not amendable to political solutions and government anti-poverty programs. Let's look at some. In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, only 35 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent. Today's breakdown of the black family is unprecedented. It began in the 1960s with the War on Poverty and the harebrained ideas of the welfare state. In the mid-1960s, Daniel Moynihan sounded the alarm about the breakdown in the black family in his book "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action." At that time black illegitimacy was 26 percent. Moynihan said, "(A)t the heart of the deterioration of the fabric of the Negro society is the deterioration of the Negro family." He added, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States." Moynihan's observations were greeted with charges of racism and blaming the victim. By the way, the welfare state is an equal opportunity family destroyer. Today's illegitimacy rate among whites, at nearly 30 percent, is higher than it was among blacks in the 1960s when Moynihan sounded the alarm. In Sweden, the mother of the welfare state, illegitimacy is 54 percent.
Blacks hold high offices and dominate the political arena in Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., New Orleans and other cities. Yet these are the very cities with the nation's most rotten schools, highest crime rates, high illegitimacy rates, weak family structure and other forms of social pathology. I am not saying that blacks having political power is the cause of these problems. What I am saying is that the solution to most of the major problems that confront many black people won't be found in the political arena and by electing more blacks to high office. In fact, politicians tend to be hostile to some of the solutions to problems many blacks face such as school choice as a means to strengthen education, the elimination of oppressive licensing restrictions for various occupations, and supportive of job-destroying labor legislation such as minimum wage laws.
The bottom line is there is very little evidence anywhere on the planet that political power is a necessary condition for economic power.
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University
BBass - 12/31/2009 2:28 PM
Weather a person copies and paste seems silly to point out. We all get our info from somewhere. I'm sure most the information posted here was read then typed in your own words or the authors words. We get education from somewhere dont we?
You got a good copy ans paste???? Geez.
</p>outcaster - 12/30/2009 5:22 PMI agree Doc1 sooner or later you have to pick a side to be on. I'm a Democrat/Liberal for several reasons. But primarily for one reason: In my view the Republicans/Conservatives have been on the "wrong side of history" dating back almost a hundred years when it has come to the big issues and progress of our nation in the 20th century. Almost ALL of the good ideas/decisions made over the last 75 years have been progressive ideas, and bitterly opposed by Republicans/Conservatives. I really have a problem with a political party that has opposed: Civil Rights, Womens Rights, Racial Integration, Social Security, Medicare, clean water and air acts, child labor laws, minimum wage (creation and increases), 40 hr work week, OSHA standards, unemployment insurance, workers comp., the G.I. Bill, and most recently health care reform and gay/lesbian rights. Now, just like the past, the conservatives are the Party of "NO". Democrats have not gotten it right every time, and every progressive idea is not a good one. Some conservatives will still argue that the above listed items were not good ideas at all. It seems that each time democrats get into power the President has to clean up a pretty big mess. So I'm going to give our President some time to get things turned around. This economy mess wasn't created in 11 months and won't be fixed in 11 months. But I believe things are starting to turn for the better, and 2010 will end better than it started, just like 2009 did, because I do believe history tells me that progressive ideas are better than conservative ones. (If there are any) besides more Tax Cuts for the wealthy.Doc1 - 12/30/2009 1:39 PM</p>XLDVee - 12/30/2009 9:22 AMI don't claim either party personally there Doc. Thanks though. No need for you to get your big ol panties in a wad. I asked a simple question to those of you who support Obama. Getting defensive only proves one thing buddy...Doc1 - 12/30/2009 12:20 AM
</p>XLDVee - 12/29/2009 10:09 PM So Possum, two quick questions. Doc and other Obama supporters are welcome to answer as well.... Are you happy with what Obama has done so far? Do you feel like he is putting this country in a better situation that it has been over the last 8 years? Feel free to explain your answer.
I believe he is doing a good job so far, he is trying to bring this country out of a near disaster, another depression. The republicans are trying to bring him down just as he has started. They want him to fail and fail badly. If the republicans were for the country instead of their party they would at least try to help him get us out of this worldy slump but they do absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing, but whine and gripe about every fart he lets. I'll turn this question around and see if you are pleased with your republican party in the last year. What have they done positively that you are prowd of for the good of the USA? Publish this huge list if you will.</p>
Getting defensive proves what? I am a democrat, not a fence stradler, you are for one or the other, when you register to vote you have to choose. You or any of the others still haven't given me this list of republican acomplishments, you can go back as many years as you want to. I am not getting my panties in a wad, just stating that Obama is trying to pull this country out of a huge hole without any republican help. When he goes down, we all go down, there won't be two lines at the soup kitchens or unemployment lines, there will b one. Doing something is better than nothing.</p>
beetlespin - 12/31/2009 5:22 PM
You need to remember that the democrat and republican parties have basically switched places since the days of Lincoln.
Sniperchoke - 12/31/2009 3:15 PM
Too bad for you that proffessor Williams is an African American maybe he is a little more experienced in race than us white Americans.
Copy/pasting other peoples work is easier. And if you find it on the Internet it must be true! When I see that kind of stuff I just have to roll my eyes and smile. I am not old enough to have lived thru much of that period, but our parents and grandparents did. I am fortunate enough to have a mother and grandmother, both retired history teachers that actually lived it, studied it, and taught it. My grandmother can tell you about Hooverville, she was there. My mother can tell you about riding a Chattanooga city bus when old black ladies were forced (by law) to give up their seats to young white men. These pathetic attemps to re-write history are done simply to make some feel better about themselves.Possum - 12/31/2009 5:49 PM
I have read some bs in my time but this is unbelieveable. The Democrat party that existed during reconstruction is the GOP of today. Every POSITIVE civil right law introduced was vehemitily opposed by Republicans during the 20th century. Storm Thurman holds the filibuster record in the senate for trying to stop the passage of the 1964 civil rights act. I tell you what lets do a poll and see how many KKK menbers have ever voted Democrat, what a joke. Ones that did are dead and good ridance. You talk about grasping for straws. This internet education you guys are getting is unbelieveable. I am beginning to understand how Afganistan turned out the way it did, after the soviets left.