Perfect political sign

[beetlespin]

I voted for him too and so did my wife. We are both kicking ourselves now.

 

[Possum]

Well obviously you should have listened better to what he said he was going to do during his campaign. He has pretty much done what he said he was going to do, or at least made an attempt. He made loans to the Auto industry and banks, shifted war effort into Afganistan with troop build ups like he promised, Troop level in Irag is on schedule to be below 50k by August. Got a healthcare reform bill passed. Stimulas bill is creating jobs, that Republicans by the way are usually at ribbon cutting tooting their horns about how this project is going to create jobs, and better future for kids, then go on fox and tell how were borrowing against childrens future and need to stop. Gave an 8,000 dollar credit to home buyers, that ended in April that really helped the housing market. In the process of working on jobs bill if I am correct would give write-offs to businesses that hire workers, and work on decaying infrustructure, doubt it will get much support until after midterm elections.
I really hate to say this, but probably for us to move forward like we need to, I would not be against having a Republican congress. If Republicans do take control of congress I don't think they need to read too much into it like they did in 94. People have to remember Obamas approval rating is around 47% verses a 46% disapproval.
Do not get me wrong, I am not one of these people that thinks he has done no wrong, there are several things he has done that I don't like. I would bet if you ask him if he could go back and do a few things different, I am sure he would. I still have Hope and confidence in America, and I am seeing some positive changes.

 

[Bubbakat]

There are a lot of things going on that he and his crew in washington have no earthly idea on how to handle.

 

[Possum]

Bubbakat - 6/27/2010 10:31 AM

There are a lot of things going on that he and his crew in washington have no earthly idea on how to handle.

Like what? Can you be a little more specific?

 

[c_garren]

its amazing to me that something as simple as words on a sign has sparked a political argument on whose opinion is right. the last time i checked guys opinions are like @$$holes everybody has one!!! you may not agree with someone elses but im sure in the political sense of democrats and republicans no matter what you say to influence someone to agreeing with you, it aint gonna work so why even argue? just my 2 cents on the situation.

 

[outcaster]

Possum - 6/27/2010 10:52 AM

Well obviously you should have listened better to what he said he was going to do during his campaign. He has pretty much done what he said he was going to do, or at least made an attempt. He made loans to the Auto industry and banks, shifted war effort into Afganistan with troop build ups like he promised, Troop level in Irag is on schedule to be below 50k by August. Got a healthcare reform bill passed. Stimulas bill is creating jobs, that Republicans by the way are usually at ribbon cutting tooting their horns about how this project is going to create jobs, and better future for kids, then go on fox and tell how were borrowing against childrens future and need to stop. Gave an 8,000 dollar credit to home buyers, that ended in April that really helped the housing market. In the process of working on jobs bill if I am correct would give write-offs to businesses that hire workers, and work on decaying infrustructure, doubt it will get much support until after midterm elections.
I really hate to say this, but probably for us to move forward like we need to, I would not be against having a Republican congress. If Republicans do take control of congress I don't think they need to read too much into it like they did in 94. People have to remember Obamas approval rating is around 47% verses a 46% disapproval.
Do not get me wrong, I am not one of these people that thinks he has done no wrong, there are several things he has done that I don't like. I would bet if you ask him if he could go back and do a few things different, I am sure he would. I still have Hope and confidence in America, and I am seeing some positive changes.

It's not like once he got into office, and did exactly the opposite of what he said he would do. From the 2 wars, to the economy, healthcare, federal work projects, and Court appointments. Did Americans not know he was a Progressive/Liberal, and would drastically change things up? Most people just THINK they want CHANGE....... They really don't. Change is HARD. I don't like everything he has done either. Mistakes and mis-calculations were made early on. My main criticism of him, is that he reached out to Republicans too long (when he did not have to) hoping to gain support from them, even though their stated goal was to "Insure that he fails" (borderline treason in my book).

 

[Possum]

c_garren - 6/27/2010 12:20 PM

its amazing to me that something as simple as words on a sign has sparked a political argument on whose opinion is right. the last time i checked guys opinions are like @$$holes everybody has one!!! you may not agree with someone elses but im sure in the political sense of democrats and republicans no matter what you say to influence someone to agreeing with you, it aint gonna work so why even argue? just my 2 cents on the situation.

You are right. But this is a political forum, and where people come to exchange ideas, opinions, lies, facts or whatever. It is also a great website to buy gear and find out about fishing or other things with people of common interest outside of politics. I don't think the political forum is for everyone. I also believe there are many or know that there are that come on here and like to try to learn about what may be going on from different viewpoints that may not know much about politics, then they can decide for themselves. Honest debate is healthy, and participating in voting or the political process is part of what citizenship is all about, other than obeying the law and standing up for your rights when they are violated.
You do make an excellent point though.

 

[Bubbakat]

Possum for one thing about 14 days before BP had the greatest oil disaster known to mankind they were in Washington saying they had a problem and there was nothing offered to help. They had leaks and knew it was a problem and the feds knew about it. They were allowed to drill that deep without and kind of fail safe to stop it.
Now after the thing exploded he sat on his fingers for 28 days before a word was uttered. Now there is some one in this world that knows how to plug that well and if I was in charge of the states I would have been asking a week after it happened Who or who wants to help us because it is apparent that BP is clueless. He was giving his buddies ( ie money belt,) The lee way to stop it.
Now there are people that say I can clean that mess up but instead of saying OK lets see what you got. The us will try but if it don't work then you are out on your own dime. What ever worked best could have been utilized. That amount that he sat aside for the claims will run out long before the disaster is over with. Those shrimp and crab beds will take a long time to work back to where they were before the disaster. Some of those people will loose every thing they have because some one some where sat on their duffs to long.
Even after the clean up crews go there the coast guard had the gall to hold them up to check for life vests. How idiotic can that be. I ain't saying GW would have done any better but he ain't president and Obama is. He ask for the Job knowing what was at stake but when he got it it only turned right back the way Washington always does. For the politic ans and not for the people.

 

[c_garren]

Possum - 6/27/2010 1:26 PM

c_garren - 6/27/2010 12:20 PM

its amazing to me that something as simple as words on a sign has sparked a political argument on whose opinion is right. the last time i checked guys opinions are like @$$holes everybody has one!!! you may not agree with someone elses but im sure in the political sense of democrats and republicans no matter what you say to influence someone to agreeing with you, it aint gonna work so why even argue? just my 2 cents on the situation.

You are right. But this is a political forum, and where people come to exchange ideas, opinions, lies, facts or whatever. It is also a great website to buy gear and find out about fishing or other things with people of common interest outside of politics. I don't think the political forum is for everyone. I also believe there are many or know that there are that come on here and like to try to learn about what may be going on from different viewpoints that may not know much about politics, then they can decide for themselves. Honest debate is healthy, and participating in voting or the political process is part of what citizenship is all about, other than obeying the law and standing up for your rights when they are violated.
You do make an excellent point though.

Thank u sir for making that clear for me like I said just my two cents bc it seemed like the conversation was just going back and forth and making no progress so I thought I would ask

 

[Possum]

Bubbakat - 6/27/2010 1:27 PM

Possum for one thing about 14 days before BP had the greatest oil disaster known to mankind they were in Washington saying they had a problem and there was nothing offered to help. They had leaks and knew it was a problem and the feds knew about it. They were allowed to drill that deep without and kind of fail safe to stop it.
Now after the thing exploded he sat on his fingers for 28 days before a word was uttered. Now there is some one in this world that knows how to plug that well and if I was in charge of the states I would have been asking a week after it happened Who or who wants to help us because it is apparent that BP is clueless. He was giving his buddies ( ie money belt,) The lee way to stop it.
Now there are people that say I can clean that mess up but instead of saying OK lets see what you got. The us will try but if it don't work then you are out on your own dime. What ever worked best could have been utilized. That amount that he sat aside for the claims will run out long before the disaster is over with. Those shrimp and crab beds will take a long time to work back to where they were before the disaster. Some of those people will loose every thing they have because some one some where sat on their duffs to long.
Even after the clean up crews go there the coast guard had the gall to hold them up to check for life vests. How idiotic can that be. I ain't saying GW would have done any better but he ain't president and Obama is. He ask for the Job knowing what was at stake but when he got it it only turned right back the way Washington always does. For the politic ans and not for the people.

Where did you get that information? Why would Bp go to Washington to say they had a problem, what did they want to do, get Obama to get his tool belt? From my understanding this all went down in a hurry. From what I heard they had fail safes and they failed. First of all this is the first deep water disaster of this kind ever. Hind sight is 20-20.
So if the coast guard did not check for life vest and ship sank and people drowned you would be on here saying why didn.t they check for lifevest because it was procedure.

As far as getting others involved, that could be a charlie foxtrot as well.

I am not saying you are wrong, I don't have the information on this. One thing for sure it will eventually come out.

 

[TritonAL186]

Possum - 6/26/2010 9:38 PM

I guess since he has spent all of our money we are done, and I really doubt you voted for Obama. More propaganda, more fear, but that's ok.

I'm neither a Rep. or Dem, I am an independent and I voted for Obama, but since I'm not backing him now you think other wise. I'm not blinded by , my party can't do no wrong, but I guess you are. I'm not saying he's doing everything wrong, just somethings that are getting us deeper in the hole.

 

[Sniperchoke]

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't thats dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totum poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 6/27/2010 11:00 PM

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't thats dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totum poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

So why have you bashed Obama for being slow to react, or not doing enough to fix the BP Oil Spill/Business Decision? You say you want the Gubment to stay out of our lives, right???? After all, BP was just trying to make money, and does not need Gov't interference, right? You can't have it both ways. You want NO Gov't interference/regulation/mandates imposed on people/companies "making as much money as they can" But when they screw up, cut corners, low ball the spill and damage estimates and destroy the businesses, and livelihoods of other people along the Gulf Coast, you want Big Gov't down there "Johnny on the spot" to make everything ok. Talk about hypocrisy!!!! Whew!!. I believe individuals/companies should be able to make as much money as they can too. Provided that they do it ethically, and don't harm people, or destroy the environment. Big Difference! You better believe... I DO want the Gov't involved when people/companies are unethical, cheat and destroy.btw Have you came up with successful example of a country with Anarchy as its form of Gov't ?

 

[Sniperchoke]

outcaster - 6/27/2010 10:55 PM

Sniperchoke - 6/27/2010 11:00 PM

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't that's dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totem poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

So why have you bashed Obama for being slow to react, or not doing enough to fix the BP Oil Spill/Business Decision? You say you want the Gubment to stay out of our lives, right???? After all, BP was just trying to make money, and does not need Gov't interference, right? You can't have it both ways. You want NO Gov't interference/regulation/mandates imposed on people/companies "making as much money as they can" But when they screw up, cut corners, low ball the spill and damage estimates and destroy the businesses, and livelihoods of other people along the Gulf Coast, you want Big Gov't down there "Johnny on the spot" to make everything ok. Talk about hypocrisy!!!! Whew!!. I believe individuals/companies should be able to make as much money as they can too. Provided that they do it ethically, and don't harm people, or destroy the environment. Big Difference! You better believe... I DO want the Gov't involved when people/companies are unethical, cheat and destroy.btw Have you came up with successful example of a country with Anarchy as its form of Gov't ?

Because it proves the reality that gov't is to inefficient to do anything. And gov't probably is more responsible than you think for causing the spill. Why in the world do you think they were drilling in over 5,000 feet of water because gov't wouldn't allow drilling in our much safer shallow waters near shore or on land. If there was a catastrophic leak in shallow water BP would be much more proficient in stopping the flow. I do recognize that gov't has a role as outlined in the constitution to protect our sovereignty and to protect our natural resources.

 

[Possum]

Sniperchoke - 6/27/2010 10:00 PM

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't thats dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totum poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

Snip I am a government employee, trust me I don't make the money you think I do teaching. My wife makes very good money as a Cardiac specialist, and I have invested our money well in real estate.

To compare Greece to us is like comparing the state of Mississippi to US, too small to compare. I think you are giving to much credit to Reagan, Russia was changing before military build up.

Snip do you think private schools are better than public schools, if so how do you know?

 

[Possum]

One more thing, who is holding commerce back, are we not putting nearly a 400 million dollar lock in at the chick so they can move product. I guess jon doe tax payer should pay for that and let business slide. Just think they can buy bigger barges or more and write that crap off. I think it is great because it increases investment. But don't get on here and act like big business is getting screwed by government because they have to pay taxes. That is if they choose to pay instead of reinvesting.

 

[outcaster]

Sniperchoke - 6/28/2010 10:38 PM

outcaster - 6/27/2010 10:55 PM

Sniperchoke - 6/27/2010 11:00 PM

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't that's dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totem poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

So why have you bashed Obama for being slow to react, or not doing enough to fix the BP Oil Spill/Business Decision? You say you want the Gubment to stay out of our lives, right???? After all, BP was just trying to make money, and does not need Gov't interference, right? You can't have it both ways. You want NO Gov't interference/regulation/mandates imposed on people/companies "making as much money as they can" But when they screw up, cut corners, low ball the spill and damage estimates and destroy the businesses, and livelihoods of other people along the Gulf Coast, you want Big Gov't down there "Johnny on the spot" to make everything ok. Talk about hypocrisy!!!! Whew!!. I believe individuals/companies should be able to make as much money as they can too. Provided that they do it ethically, and don't harm people, or destroy the environment. Big Difference! You better believe... I DO want the Gov't involved when people/companies are unethical, cheat and destroy.btw Have you came up with successful example of a country with Anarchy as its form of Gov't ?

Because it proves the reality that gov't is to inefficient to do anything. And gov't probably is more responsible than you think for causing the spill. Why in the world do you think they were drilling in over 5,000 feet of water because gov't wouldn't allow drilling in our much safer shallow waters near shore or on land. If there was a catastrophic leak in shallow water BP would be much more proficient in stopping the flow. I do recognize that gov't has a role as outlined in the constitution to protect our sovereignty and to protect our natural resources.

Wrong! Yet once again! The reason BP, Exxon, Shell, Conoco, and Citco and others drill in "deep" water is because that is where 92% of the Oil is located (According to sworn testimony before Congress by the CEO's of these companies). Try again. Someone has been listening to Sarah Palin's BS emoSmile

 

[jon the fisherman]

Possum - 6/25/2010 12:43 PM

jon the fisherman - 6/25/2010 12:23 AM

Possum - 6/24/2010 12:28 PM


So, I guess anyone that votes Republican anymore after two of their Presidents created 8.5 trillion of our debt is a moron. What about the oil spill snip, lets here it about how efficient the private sector is, that is all we have heard from you, talk about hypocricy. As far as McCrystal, you might think it, and you might be right, just don't say it.
As far as a moron goes, look in the mirror.

In the last two years, the debt has almost doubled. We are approaching 14 trillion, and by the time the MIC(moron in charge) gets voted out, I bet it will be more than doubled. I believe charity starts at home, and we need to rebuild the infrastucture of this country, not send billions to Europe to boost their economies. No more bailouts for GM and the like. Sink or swim should be our new motto.

If our debt had doubled in last two years we would be over 20 trillion. Where did you get that information, or did you just make it up? Rebuild infrustructure, you mean stimulas package, that socalist bill as Republicans would call it. The bailouts, as Republicans call it, actually loans that our being paid back.
Debt was just over 5 trillion when Bush left office, over ten trillion when he left office. You guys are doing everything you can to get another Republican in office. Debt is only a concern when democrats are in office, not once do you here about it when a Republican is in charge. I think they call it hypocricy.

Stimulus for who? not for people looking for jobs. We just give out more welfare. You are a true party line sheep. I want them all fired, you want a socialist goverment to tell you what to do with your money. You have the nerve to call someone a moron? You voted for the WORST president in history...Carter will be second and Bush Third. Don't assume anything about me, cause you have no clue as to how I think. So you agree with the corperate welfare? So you agree we should try and prop up a falling Euro? Maybe we can just put our whole country on welfare, since we are going to sink our own economy.....By the way, when Bush left office one scource quotes 8 trillion another 10 trillion so it has NOT doubled, just another 4 trillion in two years. What's a trillion here and a trillion there right. At the rate Obama is blowing china's money, we will have added another 8 trillion to Bushes debt....four years of Obama. Wonder If i can get a bailout, and maybe buy a position in 0bamas cabinet?

 

[jon the fisherman]

Possum - 6/28/2010 10:45 PM

Sniperchoke - 6/27/2010 10:00 PM

Possum - 6/25/2010 10:43 PM

In that case Canada, the Neatherlands, and most of the rest of the European nations. I am not a socialist however, it is just a term used by the right everytime a Democrat is elected President. If you think Obama is a socalist, Reagan is probably close to a Communist, which is not true either. Reagan was the first Republican of our era to create big government. He took our debt from less than a trillion dollars to almost 4 before he left office. He forced workers that striked back to work with threats of jail time if they did not do so. Again Republicans are ok with screwing the working man, but don't interfere with big business, because when you do so that it is communism. However, threating teachers or air controllers with jail time, I guess is just the right thing to do.

Lets ask that 50 year old that needs a heart transplant in Canada if they are happy with their socialist healthcare. See in Canada if you need a heart and you are over 50 some law maker gets to tell you that you are too old to get one so hurry up and die. How bout waiting six weeks to see an oncologist for a cancer diagnosis. By the way if you do have cash in Canada it is illegal to pay a doc privately for expediating you care. Lets ask that business owner in the Netherlands if it is tough to compete with America while he gives more than half of his salary to the gov't in taxes. We all should be familiar with Greece by now who rioted and killed people in their local banks when the gov't took away some of their benefits. Upwards of 60% of Greece's population works for the gov't thats dangerous because who is going to vote out the politicians that sign their paychecks. Greece also single handedly destroyed the value of the Euro forcing the rest of the EU to bail them out. Yes I do not agree with Reagan or anyone who expands gov't though a large portion of that debt was spent to build up our military to destroy Russia from within and it succeeded by the way (remember the Berlin Wall). Yes public education or Gov't schools as I like to call are a big failure in this country. They fail our children miserably especially our minority children. Much of the failure of education can be pinned on the parenting. Who's talking about screwing the working man? I am for individual rights. You should have the right to make as much money as you want without the gov't interfering. Your a teacher right. So you work 9 months out of the year and probably make 50 to 100 K (with ins and retirement) depending on how high up the totum poll you are. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me. So did Bush or any Repubs hold you back?

Snip I am a government employee, trust me I don't make the money you think I do teaching. My wife makes very good money as a Cardiac specialist, and I have invested our money well in real estate.

To compare Greece to us is like comparing the state of Mississippi to US, too small to compare. I think you are giving to much credit to Reagan, Russia was changing before military build up.

Snip do you think private schools are better than public schools, if so how do you know?

Great...another liberal union loving teacher with a tenure huh? Bet you don't like the new education plans? No more free ride for you, time to show some production.

 

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I did not call anyone a moron, sniperchoke did. When Bush left office our debt was over 10 trillion, documented fact, not a bs opinion. I was being nice, but you are not telling the truth about Obama doubling our debt, where I come from they call that a lie. By the way I don't belong to a Union, who wants to belong to a Union that if you strike you go to jail, Reagan took care of that, or was it Taft, but you can close your business and leave country, that is OK. As far as showing some production, it would be great if we were on a level playing field, if there was one. All a Principal has to do to me is say move on, and I am gone, boat in tow. I do not need tenure to keep my job. By God"s will I will get out of teaching and make some real money if it comes to that. I do it for the kids. I can kick more money from under a rock than I make teaching. By the way I don't have tenure, could care less about it. One thing that is funny to me though, what do you mean by production. Passing state test for a kid that shows up to school just enough to keep from being sent off, or not showing for test, then compare that teacher to a teacher in another system that has kids showing up everyday because they want to learn, or made to. I am not a brain scientist, but I think I can tell you who is going to have the better test scores. Child please! It amazes me how out of touch people really are.