AirrusBoy
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Do we have any SEIU members?
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troutfly
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Lik anyone would admit that! LOL
beetlespin
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What is it?
SpurHunter
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Labor union......I will hold my tounge
Dropshot
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I have heard them in the news of late...What all groupsdo they cover?</p>
Bob Scratchit
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American labor unions are great...for China and other third world countries.
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American labor unions are good for anyone here in the USA, don't knock them untill you try them. I have been a union sheetmetal worker all my life. Made a good living with them, drawing my retirement pension now. Most people knock them because they know nothing about them or they can't get into one of them.
Yep...you can thank me doc...for paying into your retirement. I was in the sheet-metal union for 35 years. Problem is....all that I paid in...I got nothing. On the railroad you HAD to belong to a Union or not work. Our dues went to folks like you that were working in the sheet-meatl trade, for your benefit. Thats FAIR...ain't it?
You`ve got me confused buzz....first off it`s against the Taft-Hartley Act (law)for participants to contribute money out of your pocket into the fund. No legitimate fund will allow it . Your employer makes a contribution to the fund in your name . Also no dues are paid into the Pension Fund either. I`m not familiar with the railroad except they`ve got one of the best Plans in the country. I`m lost on why the RR would have anything to do with the Sheetmetal Workers of Building Trades/Metal Trades Workers? I`m pretty sure they have sheetmetal workers/classsification in the RR Unions .
Also even if the pension fund you supposedly paid into for 35 years went bankrupt there is a little entity called the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation that is the FDIC of pension funds. You would at least get some amount of the Benefit that the fund was obligated to pay you.
Enlighten me.
Also even if the pension fund you supposedly paid into for 35 years went bankrupt there is a little entity called the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation that is the FDIC of pension funds. You would at least get some amount of the Benefit that the fund was obligated to pay you.
Enlighten me.
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I see from your post that you have no idea about how things work. I worked construction, not the railroad, what was paid into my retirement was paid by me or in my behalf when contracts were negociated, so much per hour was paid in for me, if i worked 40 hours a week, there was a set amount for each hour paid in for me, no one paid a penny in for me. I never seen this money except at the end of each year I was given paperwork to say how much was paid in for me. I could not touch a penny of this money untill I retired. I paid in dues each month and if at any time I didn't pay my dues, I would have been suppended and would have lost everything I paid in, which I am assuming was what happened in your case. dues paid for the administrators of the union only, upkeep of the union hall, administrator supplies, a car for the administrators to use to go from job to job to continually check on the working membership and his wages. I don't have a clue what happened in your case but you didn't pay a penny into my retirement. I have been a prowd member of Sheetmetalworkers local #5 in chattanooga for 44 years, starting in 1966 as an aprentice working in the day, going to aprentice school at night, 2 nights a week to learn the layout of all sheetmetal fittings. I went to Kirkman High School at night in chattanooga.</p>
Oh yeah..... I forgot to mention that Ihave been a Pipefitter/Welder for the last 36 years and a Proud Member of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Local#102 of Knoxville for the last 31 years. Thanks to them....... I`m 55 years old and can retire at anytime with a full Pension. I also have a fairly sizable 414kcash account (similar to a 401k) withdrawable at 59 1/2</p>
Your almost totally right in your statement Doc. In our plan and I think any Taft-Hartley covered plan, after your account has been Vested ...even if they drop out of the Union, we are still obligated to paythem the Benefit they have accrued before they dropped out. When I started in `79 you had to have 10 years to vest...somewhere around `90 they changed it to 5 years.The Dept of Labor and the IRS are so heavily involved in the Plans that it`s rare for a plan to belly-up.</p>
I`m like you I don`t think buzz has a clue.</p>
Your almost totally right in your statement Doc. In our plan and I think any Taft-Hartley covered plan, after your account has been Vested ...even if they drop out of the Union, we are still obligated to paythem the Benefit they have accrued before they dropped out. When I started in `79 you had to have 10 years to vest...somewhere around `90 they changed it to 5 years.The Dept of Labor and the IRS are so heavily involved in the Plans that it`s rare for a plan to belly-up.</p>
I`m like you I don`t think buzz has a clue.</p>
Let me see if I can clarify this a bit. I paid into the sheet metal union....when I left it was I think about $75 a month. Yep...got a great retirement from the RAIL ROAD...not the sheet metal union. All that we paid in...sure a small portion was for LOCAL...and most for the International. I too was a pipefitter for the railroad. The big Unions were the Machinist and Electricians. Come contract time....they could all hold out. When the dust settled...everybody made the same thing. NO RIGHT TO STRIKE!!!!! They tell you how you should vote...I imagine thats why some here are staunch democrats. And Doc....you need to read your Sheetmetal Jounal a little more....those boys fly around in Coporate Lear Jets....they don't drive. So now can you tell me....how it benefitted me by belonging to a union?
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Buzz, I don't have a problem with how my international gets around, be it a plane, car, truck, or walk. You need to take your gripe up with the railroad that you worked for and see why you are not receiving any pension benefits, something has happened to you somewhere over the years. If you were ever vested, you should draw something if you are old enough, go talk to your union represenative about it, he will fill you in on the details.</p>
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Buzz, there is no matching funds for me and Snuffy, we draw off of what was paid in in our behalf to our unions, plant sheetmetal work is covered another way at a different rate just like the sheetmetal workers at the railroad, you paid in dues for the sheetmetal workers because they were the union that worked on your behalf at the railroad. You will not receive anything from social security because you haven't paid anything into the FICA, you paid into the railroad retirement act, just like people who work for the post office, they were covered by civil service.</p>
If I`m getting your numbers right.....you worked 35 years for the sheetmetal.....which would have made you about 55....then worked 30 years for RR......heck you deserve a good retirement for working till your 85. Your all over the place here.... not makin` much sense.
I`ve been one of three Labor Trustees on our Pension Fund for the last 7 years and I can tell you where every nickel came from that was deposited in the Fund. I can also tell you where every dime of the $40 million plus fund is INVESTED. Not A dime came from anything except the contributions of our employers and the gains from our investments.
Not a penny from the RR sheetmetal workers.
I`ve been one of three Labor Trustees on our Pension Fund for the last 7 years and I can tell you where every nickel came from that was deposited in the Fund. I can also tell you where every dime of the $40 million plus fund is INVESTED. Not A dime came from anything except the contributions of our employers and the gains from our investments.
Not a penny from the RR sheetmetal workers.
Psst...I paid a lot into SS. Before and during working at the RR. I worked different jobs on off days, etc. My wife paid into the SS all her life. She had the option of SS or RR. Of coarse the RR was way more. I ain't complaing about SS....I feel it helped some laid off worker. How the SWEETHEART OBAMACARE and the Unions work out for you. Screw those people that don't belong to a UNION...RIGHT?
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