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TheMacDaddy - 1/16/2010 4:26 PM Big picture! Less raises + higher utilities + higher medical bills + le ss benefits equals middle class struggling. Don't make me list tax loop holes for the rich
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At the end of the day, its not the rich who end up suffering. Its the middle/upper-middle class who have worked for everything they have.</p>
 
Great insurance if it won't cover brain tumor surgery. I guess you die slowly, maybe we should ask few people
 
Didn't want to accuse anyone of anything, but as words go and ideas go, I thought doc1 was a democrat. I see now why.
I've been on both sides of the fence, union, non, supervisor.business owner and even a steward. I have to tell you one thing; unions were a good thing for the American working man at one time, but now they are a political machine that is and will be the ruin of the working man/woman.
The only thing you've got to do is FOLLOW THE MONEY. Any person with a high school education, not a certificate can follow the $$ and see where it goes. Comon sense is a byproduct of unions. If you can be dummed down you can be taught to belive anything.
It is not anyone's responsiblity to take care of you, the unions, the government, the state, it is up to you and you only.
The unions are living off the government and the government forces YOU to pay taxes and thus lives off of you. GET IT? Why do you people think that business are going to other countries or other staes??? to make a profit, or maybe it's to avoid taxes, either way it's the government and unions fault.
Do you think it is OK for a UAW person to make the same as a CVS pharmacist?? That's why new vehicles cost more than the first house I bought.
My wife thinks she should be making $18.50 hr, + bennies, because she cleans house and does the same job as a SEIU person, and she is a natural born citizen, which is more than can be sadi for SEIU union personel, which employes 26% illeagals, but they pay union dues and that's ok for the economy.
If I promise you a job and benefits and I go bankrupt, tough sh--, but the reason the unions went bankrupt is they promised something they could not stand behind and now they want Me & You to bail 'em out so they can have their stuff they were promised..bulsh--.Get a life and stop hanging your mommies dress.
 
Many people are living off the government rich and poor... We had the bailouts and where did that money go to, Banking instuituions that started this mess.... I'm true Independent, Democrats have their faults and Republicans have their faults.... Everyone thinks the Government will help them out, but we can't be relying on them to fix all the problems... People need to start Defining capitalism and socialism.... You can define what you want out of live by learning those two terms... I hear some say, socialism is bad, but they are cop, school teacher, post man or work for Government agency.... Well, I got news you are part of Socialized program Daaaaa.....
 
Doc1 - 1/14/2010 9:19 PM

American labor unions are good for anyone here in the USA, don't knock them untill you try them. I have been a union sheetmetal worker all my life. Made a good living with them, drawing my retirement pension now. Most people knock them because they know nothing about them or they can't get into one of them.
Doc, I've never tried crystal meth, but I'm reasonably sure that its a bad idea... Labor unions outlived their relevancy a long time ago.
 
Labor unions and their down fall.... Plus Socialism vs. Capitalism would make nice subject to post... I'm sure we have some history or Government teachers on here that wouldn't mind poviding their input on these subjects...
 
RattleTrapper - 1/17/2010 11:24 PM
Doc1 - 1/14/2010 9:19 PM American labor unions are good for anyone here in the USA, don't knock them untill you try them. I have been a union sheetmetal worker all my life. Made a good living with them, drawing my retirement pension now. Most people knock them because they know nothing about them or they can't get into one of them.
Doc, I've never tried crystal meth, but I'm reasonably sure that its a bad idea... Labor unions outlived their relevancy a long time ago.
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Why do you want to bring drugs into the post, it has no purpose except to try and put the unions down. This is the republican way to get back at democrats for the republican short comings. Show me something in history where the republicans have helped the working man.</p>
 
THE FEAR OF UNIONS HELP WORKERS!!!!! Back in the early 1900's, people were treated like slaves at work, Little pay, bad working environment, many would die because of working conditions.... Unions prevent history from repeating it's self.... Do we want to be working in sweat shops like all goods are made these days, probably not..... Threat of Unions prevents companies from abusing their workers.... To me, labor Unions have became too weak and there is no threat anymore.....
 
TheMacDaddy - 1/18/2010 12:50 PM

THE FEAR OF UNIONS HELP WORKERS!!!!! Back in the early 1900's, people were treated like slaves at work, Little pay, bad working environment, many would die because of working conditions.... Unions prevent history from repeating it's self.... Do we want to be working in sweat shops like all goods are made these days, probably not..... Threat of Unions prevents companies from abusing their workers.... To me, labor Unions have became too weak and there is no threat anymore.....

This is partly true. The unions were a good thing way back in the early 1900's. Since then there have been laws passed to protect workers. Now the only purpose unions serve is to keep deadbeats working for 4 times what they are worth and to make the union bosses rich. No need for them anymore. Maybe that is why their numbers decrease more and more every year. People are finally wising up a bit.
 
So you think if Unions didn't exist, we would all get paid more and have better benefits... Absolutely not, you have seen inflation sky rocket, people aren't getting raises and losing benefits.... You are in the hands of the rich and they will do what ever they wan to.... If they want to make billion dollars year and pay you 20,000 year then they will.... All the money goes to the stock holders these days and is not passed out to the workers... Who owns the stock, the filthy rich because the middle man can't afford, or dosen't have the money to invest....
 
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