Small Loud Minority

[beetlespin]

Thank God for the republicans on this one! I am not a dyed in the wool republican like some others on here but I hope they are strong enough to stop this healthcare bill.

I actually think some democrat agendas are ok. I thought cash for clunkers was a good bill. It caused some demand and took some older high polluting cars off the road. I think the fuel efficiency standards being increased is a great thing. I wrote a research paper on fuel efficiency in college 15 years ago and the technology was there then. Just imagine the impact on those middle east countries that hate us when we cut our oil consumption in half. These are examples of good bills. The healthcare bill is not a good bill.

 

[Guest]

R14 - 9/14/2009 6:57 PM

Doc1, good points. I have yet to see any Republicans alternatives put on the floor. Just a bunch of rhetoric and no solutions.

cheez - 9/14/2009 3:46 PM

Hang around R14 and you will see a lot more than 2 million protesting.

2 Million seems like a lofty goal, especially when your side can not even get 50,000 to a rally.

Your number is based on reports from liberal sources who purposely downplayed the numbers. The DC fire department estimates were way higher. You R14 choose to believe the liberals and I choose to believe the conservatives. Seems like there is a bit of a stalemate here on these numbers. One thing that you cannot deny is that there are very large portions of America now who are fed up with what is going on in Washington and that number is growing.
ALL of the polls are showing support for Obummer and the democrats falling. Matter of fact if you go to the top of this thread you will see some figures that show us now in a solid majority. It is not too late for you liberals to turn tail and run. If you wait too long though it might be. emoBigsmile

I have read the end of the book and we win!

 

[Guest]

Seems to me there are a few that want the president to fail in getting a health care bill, if this happens everything will be right back to square 1, no health care for the masses. I think that everyone on here has health care and we can all sing the praises of what we have but if it gets worse and the ones on here that are working lose their jobs then what happens to your health care? You will be SOL just like the other millions of folks in this good ole USA. You will be begging for anything that comes down the pike, your savings will be gone, you will lose your boats first then your cars then your homes. What are you going to do then for uncle willy and aunt Bertha? What are you going to do for yourselves. We will all be in the same boat so to speak. But you can still brag and say we republicans stood up to the president, we don't have healthcare but we stood up to him, we held our ground, we didn't try to help, we are too prowd to help the many millions who don't have helth care, we showed them boys. You might be out pushing Hoover carts all over saving cans and rags to try and come up with money for supper. Then you might say"I wonder if they will give us a second chance and try to get health care" Is this what you want? Think about it.

 

[Guest]

cheez - 9/14/2009 9:06 PM


Your number is based on reports from liberal sources who purposely downplayed the numbers. The DC fire department estimates were way higher.

So the DC said 60-70k, while I said 50k. Seems ballparkish to me, especially compared to the 2 million that some are spouting.

One thing that you cannot deny is that there are very large portions of America now who are fed up with what is going on in Washington and that number is growing.
ALL of the polls are showing support for Obummer and the democrats falling. Matter of fact if you go to the top of this thread you will see some figures that show us now in a solid majority.

Look at it closer, 60% approve Obama or are neutral. Bush regular only got 30% approval (70% disapproved and neutral). It seems to me your still in the minority by 1/3, the same 1/3 that approved of the job that the previous president didn't do.

PS DC government (including the fire department) are way-way left, and they tend to over inflate numbers cause it is good for "business" of DC. Just to keep your 60-70k numbers in perspective, that doesn't even fill out the mall. Heck the Marine Corp Marathon has twice as many people running the marathon (26.2 miles). If everyone is so upset, why the low turnout?

 

[twilson]

R14 - 9/15/2009 12:26 AM

Look at it closer, 60% approve Obama or are neutral. Bush regular only got 30% approval (70% disapproved and neutral). It seems to me your still in the minority by 1/3, the same 1/3 that approved of the job that the previous president didn't do.

I dont think that is a very fair statement. I would say the neutral make up a pretty dang big part of those stats. You can make things look very different if you changed that around. ie On August 23rd 2009 27% strongly approved of the job Obama was doing so would that mean 73% strongly disapproved or were neutral? While on 1/14/09 Bush had 34% approval rating with 8% unsure or neutral so if I reversed what you said that would mean Bush only had 58% that didnt agree right? If you are gonna talk numbers then try comparing apples to apples.

 

[Guest]

As usual R14 you missed the point totally and like a good liberal should you try to shift focus somewhere else. Bush is NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE.

My point of this entire thread was the very first post. Even with all of the liberal media on his side your president's approval numbers are falling like a rock.
He is a lying socialist and MOST of the poor slobs who voted for him are finding it out. Some are still clinging to the fantasy that this man is good for our country. Maybe because of pride, maybe because of ignorance. Either way they are clinging to a sinking ship.

 

[SpurHunter]

For those that argue that all Americans DESERVE Health Insurance, what do you base this on?
I agree, disabled, elderly and children who can't provide their own should be covered, but to my knowledge the Constitution nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

 

[Davo]

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 9:20 AM

For those that argue that all Americans DESERVE Health Insurance, what do you base this on?
I agree, disabled, elderly and children who can't provide their own should be covered, but to my knowledge the Constitution nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

Exactly, there are a lot of people out there who just don't want to spend the money on their health, beer and cigarettes are more important. I realize that health care is very expensive, but if you want something bad enough you have to make sacrifices. I am tired of the whole spreading the wealth idea because it's just a load of garbage. I am also tired of paying someone else's way just because they won't get out and work for it themselves. I know that there are people out there that are truly in need of help, but if you are physically able to work and don't........well, don't expect a handout.

 

[jon the fisherman]

Davo - 9/15/2009 9:55 AM

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 9:20 AM

For those that argue that all Americans DESERVE Health Insurance, what do you base this on?
I agree, disabled, elderly and children who can't provide their own should be covered, but to my knowledge the Constitution nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

Exactly, there are a lot of people out there who just don't want to spend the money on their health, beer and cigarettes are more important. I realize that health care is very expensive, but if you want something bad enough you have to make sacrifices. I am tired of the whole spreading the wealth idea because it's just a load of garbage. I am also tired of paying someone else's way just because they won't get out and work for it themselves. I know that there are people out there that are truly in need of help, but if you are physically able to work and don't........well, don't expect a handout.

I giving both of you an "attaboy". Life, liberty, persuit of happiness, and healthcare ....is not what it says

 

[Guest]

The "spreading the wealth" statement works to get votes from folks who will for whatever reason not even attempt to acquire their own wealth. Classic verbage of class warfare perpetrated by the democratic party. They have been using this tired old garbage for many years and all it has ever done is get them votes and destroy our economy. After a while you would think it would sink into the voter's heads that the democrats care about nothing but power. They have not kept even a fraction of their campaign promises.

 

[Guest]

twilson - 9/14/2009 10:55 PM

If you are gonna talk numbers then try comparing apples to apples.

Exactly my point. The numbers of supporters (or detractors) have not really changed, only the perception of what the pollsters think the neutrals are doing. Really it makes any of the polling nearly impossible to gain any meaningful numbers, since the sampling size is so small and the neutrals numbers are so large.

 

[Guest]

Keep on dreaming and making excuses as your messiah heads for the bottom. emoRolleyes

 

[Guest]

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 9:20 AM
... nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

I am probable the wrong person emoEvil to be quoting scripture but doesn't Leviticus 19:18, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:8, Galations 5:14, James 2:8 and Matthew 22:39 apply?

"Love thy neighbor as thy self"

 

[twilson]

R14 - 9/15/2009 6:43 PM

twilson - 9/14/2009 10:55 PM

If you are gonna talk numbers then try comparing apples to apples.

Exactly my point. The numbers of supporters (or detractors) have not really changed, only the perception of what the pollsters think the neutrals are doing. Really it makes any of the polling nearly impossible to gain any meaningful numbers, since the sampling size is so small and the neutrals numbers are so large.

I would definetly have to say the support for Obama has went downhill a pretty good bit. You can only make so many promises and not follow through with them until it catches up with you. It may be that he doesnt have the Republican support to push all of his changes through and I am thankful that he doesnt have everyones support on every issue. However I dont think I would promise something I didnt know I could accomplish. If I told everyone on here I would give them a thousand dollars and didnt follow through with that because the bank wouldnt give me their support and lend me the money I would still be a liar.

 

[Guest]

cheez - 9/15/2009 5:56 AM

As usual R14 you missed the point totally and like a good liberal should you try to shift focus somewhere else. Bush is NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE.

My point of this entire thread was the very first post. Even with all of the liberal media on his side your president's approval numbers are falling like a rock.
He is a lying socialist and MOST of the poor slobs who voted for him are finding it out. Some are still clinging to the fantasy that this man is good for our country. Maybe because of pride, maybe because of ignorance. Either way they are clinging to a sinking ship.

And your missing my point. Obama numbers are currently still twice as high as the last president and your rally wasn't really attended that well.

"those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

I have yet to see any Republican health care plans being put forward. Instead it is a game of pointing fingers and spouting off rhetoric.

 

[twilson]

R14 - 9/15/2009 6:56 PM

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 9:20 AM
... nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

I am probable the wrong person emoEvil to be quoting scripture but doesn't Leviticus 19:18, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:8, Galations 5:14, James 2:8 and Matthew 22:39 apply?

"Love thy neighbor as thy self"

I dont think that really applies to everyone having "free healthcare" If it does I am gonna need Cheez to give me about 104.00 a month emoPoke Romans 13:8 (New International Version)
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. Tell that to the chinese and the other 30 or 40 countries we owe money to...

 

[SpurHunter]

R14 - 9/15/2009 4:56 PM

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 9:20 AM ... nor any commandment from God demands that Americans are entitled to Health Care without paying for it.

I am probable the wrong person emoEvil to be quoting scripture but doesn't Leviticus 19:18, Mark 12:31, Romans 13:8, Galations 5:14, James 2:8 and Matthew 22:39 apply? "Love thy neighbor as thy self"

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First of all, I did not quote any scripture of any kind to you, so dont acuse me of that. Secondly, it says love they neighbor, it says NOTHING about your government supplying you with health insurance. </p>

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[Guest]

There are a few on here that are so filled with hate, not dislike, that want Obama to fail and go to the bottom as some say. Who do you think is going to the bottom with him? We all will, casting a disenting vote in 2010 will be the last thing on your mind, when you lose everything you have now accumilated, property, jobs, food for the table, insurance, etc. If the next depression hits, you will all be clawing the doors at your bank, screaming for your money but it won't be there, they won't let you in. You'll love it I am sure. Talk to grandpa and grandma and ask they how easy it was living in the depression, ask them if they want another one.

 

[Guest]

SpurHunter - 9/15/2009 5:11 PM
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First of all, I did not quote any scripture of any kind to you, so dont acuse me of that. Secondly, it says love they neighbor, it says NOTHING about your government supplying you with health insurance. </p>

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First part is reference to myself, sorry if you took it the wrong way.

Second part, I believe, it speaks to having compassion for others (with no regard for how "right or wrong" their circumstance is). Also to me, providing healthcare is a simple manifestation of showing compassion.

 

[Guest]

twilson - 9/15/2009 5:03 PM
If it does I am gonna need Cheez to give me about 104.00 a month

What type of plan are you on? I would love to be on a plan that low. Mine is 3x that, even after work paying for 60%. emoDance