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Possum
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The reason unions are past their prime is because corporate america starting with Reagan, has convinced you guys so. Folks in america bought into the family values bs. by putting both mom and dad to work for what they were paying dad. Then you wonder why our kids do the crap they do. Children raising children while the income gap widens. Strike a little fear and america puts its tail between its legs and runs. What american workers lack is backbone.
in the state on tn if not for unions all companys have to pay is the min wage ,how would you like to work for that !!!!!!!!!!!! companys pay some what better wage to keep unions out. unions are what this country was founded on free enterprise , i would say a lot of you grandprents and parents belong to organized labor and feed you guys on monies earned from a contract where they sold there labor for what they felt it was worth .yes you here good and bad about orginized labor and you also here good and bad about the great USA and religon .unions keep plants safe and give there worker some security against looseing jobs and unfair work practices . dr and lawers belong to unions sports players ect ect .as far as vw i feel it would be the best thing that could ever happen for there people. had a good freind tried to get a leave to help with his mother at vw they said no she was in last stages of cancer she has died now and he fired them as his employer so was that the loving thing to do of vw .fmla laws did not apply to person something about time employed or something like that .ok send me your hate mail because i know this will make some mad but i have freedom of speech in this country but no cursing please
SpurHunter
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No reason to curse, you are just miss-informed.
Do you really believe that if there were no unions in TN that every company would only pay min wage?? WOW.
So your telling me that the work-force in the state would accept that, I know I sure wouldn't, so I and most everyone else with skills would not work a company doing this, then the company hires unskilled labor, and eventually goes out of business for a bad product or service.
While on the other side of town, a similar company pays the wage the job is worth, grows and stays/becomes successful by doing so. THIS is called free-market enterprise, and is what has driven this country, not the goons raping union workers.
You guys/gals that believe this crap spewed by these hate full organizations just baffle my pea-brain. You would all rather bankrupt a company and collect en-employment than accept the wage the job is really worth. Who on earth wants to work for a company that struggles to make a profit due to union labor, a company that can't compete when times get tough, and then you have no job? I guess if we keep electing the liberal scum, then the checks keep rolling out.
Do you really believe that if there were no unions in TN that every company would only pay min wage?? WOW.
So your telling me that the work-force in the state would accept that, I know I sure wouldn't, so I and most everyone else with skills would not work a company doing this, then the company hires unskilled labor, and eventually goes out of business for a bad product or service.
While on the other side of town, a similar company pays the wage the job is worth, grows and stays/becomes successful by doing so. THIS is called free-market enterprise, and is what has driven this country, not the goons raping union workers.
You guys/gals that believe this crap spewed by these hate full organizations just baffle my pea-brain. You would all rather bankrupt a company and collect en-employment than accept the wage the job is really worth. Who on earth wants to work for a company that struggles to make a profit due to union labor, a company that can't compete when times get tough, and then you have no job? I guess if we keep electing the liberal scum, then the checks keep rolling out.
Ok...last post from me on this issue. I'd rather be talking about fishing and hunting, but have not done either in a while.
You are correct, Sir. Grandpa got out of Navy as diesel mechanic and went straight to Detroit. Was unionized for longest time. He personally did not like dealing with the stewards. Then he got his degree and went into management where he made most of his $$$. It was us vs them mentality with the union. He discussed a big sense of entitlement from the unions. With all due respect, not all union members were like this! I am just speaking in generalities.
As for myself, my dad learned from Reagan to fend for himself and don't wait for the handouts. Hard work would get him to top, not longevity. He's been a small business owner for 33 years and is quite successful.
I don't understand the "don't cry if you lose your job" comment. Union workers lost jobs too! Remember recently in Northeast where union worker was fired for stealing then killed his boss, steward, self... I know it's isolated incident, just an example. Union workers were laid off also. With unemployment so high, I am disgusted to see the two guys sitting outside of Enterprise South and Hilton hotel with their "Shame On insert name.". Should be happy with any job right now. People should get paid for what they do...no more and no less. No one is going to pay a good electrician minimum wage because the company won't be able to keep them. It's not because they are afraid of unions. Of course there are bad apples in white and blue collar workers that taint it for everyone. Take a look at Europe right now. Sense of entitlement because of unions and government hand-outs. Doesn't make sense to me. Free enterprise? Glad the "free Choice Act" was DOA. Nothing free about that. Secret ballots are used for a reason! But unions didn't want that. Want to control peoples votes. Doesn't sound like free enterprise to me.
Bottom line is this: thank God we live in America, where we have a choice, where we have the opportunity to prosper, and can debate back and forth without fear of prosecution.
I've actually enjoyed reading everyone's opinions even if I don't agree with them.
Going hunting in AL soon so I'll have something more fun to talk about in near future.
By the way, I'll be running for office in 2044...better get on board now...ha ha ha.
. Not serious...just thought this thread some comedic relief and I don't take myslef that seriously.
You are correct, Sir. Grandpa got out of Navy as diesel mechanic and went straight to Detroit. Was unionized for longest time. He personally did not like dealing with the stewards. Then he got his degree and went into management where he made most of his $$$. It was us vs them mentality with the union. He discussed a big sense of entitlement from the unions. With all due respect, not all union members were like this! I am just speaking in generalities.
As for myself, my dad learned from Reagan to fend for himself and don't wait for the handouts. Hard work would get him to top, not longevity. He's been a small business owner for 33 years and is quite successful.
I don't understand the "don't cry if you lose your job" comment. Union workers lost jobs too! Remember recently in Northeast where union worker was fired for stealing then killed his boss, steward, self... I know it's isolated incident, just an example. Union workers were laid off also. With unemployment so high, I am disgusted to see the two guys sitting outside of Enterprise South and Hilton hotel with their "Shame On insert name.". Should be happy with any job right now. People should get paid for what they do...no more and no less. No one is going to pay a good electrician minimum wage because the company won't be able to keep them. It's not because they are afraid of unions. Of course there are bad apples in white and blue collar workers that taint it for everyone. Take a look at Europe right now. Sense of entitlement because of unions and government hand-outs. Doesn't make sense to me. Free enterprise? Glad the "free Choice Act" was DOA. Nothing free about that. Secret ballots are used for a reason! But unions didn't want that. Want to control peoples votes. Doesn't sound like free enterprise to me.
Bottom line is this: thank God we live in America, where we have a choice, where we have the opportunity to prosper, and can debate back and forth without fear of prosecution.
I've actually enjoyed reading everyone's opinions even if I don't agree with them.
Going hunting in AL soon so I'll have something more fun to talk about in near future.
By the way, I'll be running for office in 2044...better get on board now...ha ha ha.
. Not serious...just thought this thread some comedic relief and I don't take myslef that seriously.Sniperchoke
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There should be no minimum wage. If you are only worth $1.00 per hour that is what you should be paid. If you are worth $100.00 per hour that is what you should be paid.
i think reagan was the pres of the screen writers guild this is a union repersenting actors and yes your employer wants to pay u as little as he can spurhunter .a educated work force scares a company they do not want to pay any more than they have to .how many company have pensions(not 401k) a safe work pace ,can speak freely with out fear of getting fired ,rules that go for everyone not the boss fishing buddys and bennifits such as cola paid ins and a 401k ect.we keep politians like bob corker in there no worker will.unions do not bankrupt co bad managment bankrupts companys the cast of labor is less than 10% of the product on reports i have read put out by labor dept this is public information on internet.there was a pres of the U S A that made the saying that he would not work in a shop that didnt have o union, think it was rosevelt not sure yes i proudly pay my union dues and look at it as a lawyer on retainer i have never used but if i do he will be there .america as a whole stays in debt and cant afford to stand up for there wrights as a worker but you let organized labor go away and we all will be trying to buy bass boats on a 7.00$ a hour job .think about the people at walmart that are working it tkes all there money to buy gas bread and milk if thats what the people want for there children and grand kids leave everything the way it is thats the way its going if you dont like the way that sounds help all worker by american and look at your politains agenda both democrat and republican (they all crooks)lol just MY opions again dont get mad if you dont like
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Possum
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Companies bankrupt themselves to eleminate projected debt, your pea brain is just that, not worth fixing. emoHeart
When corporations pays upper management like they do and use yellow press to convince guys like you that it is in your best interest to work for less, it is just what it is, corporate bs.
We do not bankrupt ourselves because their is someone there to point a finger at. We let things such as morals, pride, and dignity stand in the way. Corporate America only looks at numbers, and takes advantage of the laws they create.
Sorry we don't serve the same master.
Possum
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So snip, get people off welfare, eliminate abortion, which in return increaces the work force. Spoken like a true puppet. Then if you get hurt on the job because production is valued over safety, then you can not work, your fired because you can not do your job and master has people standing in line for your job. People like me, will not let guys like you complete your agenda, slaves we are not. Child please.
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EVERYONE is a slave to some one or some thing possum. EVERYONE!!!
SpurHunter
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You guys crack me up....no wait you make my head spin untill I am ill.
My company has almost 100 employee's, from top management to completely unskilled labor. The only jobs that even come close to minimum wage is the seasonal help they hire, and even then it starts at $8.50 per and if they cant stack paletts, they are replaced. The vast majority are paid a wage plus bonus, or commision based on performance, not percieved performance, but true production. Product packed per hour, numbers of pieces pulled with accuracy, sales, quotas, etc.
There is no union, and no need for minimum wage to be applied here. For the life of me I can't understand why over half of the force has been here longer than 10 years. Oh wait, yes I can, the company makes lots of money so long-term stability is secure, they compensate employee's well, give bonus's, vacation, 401K, profit sharing, etc, and for some odd reason, the people don't go elsewhere, but keep on working, WITHOUT a union messing it up. I promise you, if we organized, all signed up and payed our dues, we would find something to strike about with-in a year, loose a couple months pay, and claim victory when we get $.12 per hour more. emoBang emoBang emoBang
As for Walmart, they have done more harm to the country than any other company in history. They have taken away jobs as small stores, shops, and private business's were forced out, and replaced them with minimum wage employee's, many of whom are the small biz owners they ran out of biz in the first place, swapped the products that used to be made in the US to foriegn made garbage, and the minions keep buying it up. Walmart is the last place I go, I would rather pay a little more to not wade through the masses to buy the garbage they sell.
My company has almost 100 employee's, from top management to completely unskilled labor. The only jobs that even come close to minimum wage is the seasonal help they hire, and even then it starts at $8.50 per and if they cant stack paletts, they are replaced. The vast majority are paid a wage plus bonus, or commision based on performance, not percieved performance, but true production. Product packed per hour, numbers of pieces pulled with accuracy, sales, quotas, etc.
There is no union, and no need for minimum wage to be applied here. For the life of me I can't understand why over half of the force has been here longer than 10 years. Oh wait, yes I can, the company makes lots of money so long-term stability is secure, they compensate employee's well, give bonus's, vacation, 401K, profit sharing, etc, and for some odd reason, the people don't go elsewhere, but keep on working, WITHOUT a union messing it up. I promise you, if we organized, all signed up and payed our dues, we would find something to strike about with-in a year, loose a couple months pay, and claim victory when we get $.12 per hour more. emoBang emoBang emoBang
As for Walmart, they have done more harm to the country than any other company in history. They have taken away jobs as small stores, shops, and private business's were forced out, and replaced them with minimum wage employee's, many of whom are the small biz owners they ran out of biz in the first place, swapped the products that used to be made in the US to foriegn made garbage, and the minions keep buying it up. Walmart is the last place I go, I would rather pay a little more to not wade through the masses to buy the garbage they sell.
Possum
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If you take care of your employies no need for a union. Yes I agree with what you said about walmart. Talk about a company that brainwashes their employies. Have thought about getting a job there just so I could get fired there. I think it would be a fun adventure.
Possum
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Cheez, you are right, but that is exactly what lead to communism in Russia and Eastern Europe.
Possum
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Your company is a small business, backbone of America. No need for union with that many employies. Businesses like yours is not in the mix of the problems we have.
Possum
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I am to my wife, but the job does have benifits. emoCool
Sniperchoke
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Its not my job or gov'ts job to get people off welfare it is their own job. Eliminate gov't welfare. Private charity will take much better care of the needy than gov't will. If you get hurt on the job hire a lawyer. Company's want to be successful they don't want bad press. They care about their employees. They realize if they are unsafe they will be called out on it. By the way hate to break it to you but you are a slave. Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. I for one would rather take a whipping than go to prison for tax evasion.
Possum
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SpurHunter
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Spell-check existed long before this forum.......I'm just sayin.
EricM
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Ummmm, we need to paint this one with a broad brush - it applies to an awful lot of us here. Sure makes it easier to reed emoBigsmile
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